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out of water.

I have taken it apart to where the pictures below show. ¬ Beyond that are the four bolts that go through the support assembly into the plate lock.
Now , I am kind of stumped. ¬ I can look through the bottom of the support assembly and see two of bolts, and sure enough, they are loose, ¬ But I can't get to them and still can't see the two on top.
(Hope this is making some sense). ¬ Never done this before.
Do I have to take the shaft ¬ and the bearing housing assembly out also ?
To take out the bearing housing it says to use a pin pivot remover. Never seen or heard of one of those. ¬ Is there something that will subsitute?
Also, the four bolts are torx and require a female torx socket. ¬ Does anyone have a clue what size they are? ¬ Another tool I don't have.
Man, this has got my head spinning.
And as long as I'm in there, are there some things I should replace?

Thanks,,,,any help/info will be greatly appreciated. ¬ 

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    RE: tilt steering column flops like a fish
    « Reply #1 on: May 4, 2004, 07:26:14 pm »
    Put the tilt lever back in and hold the steering shaft to raise or lower the column utnil you can get a socket on them. I used 1/4" 12 point socket to tighten with

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    RE: tilt steering column flops like a fish
    « Reply #2 on: May 4, 2004, 07:29:23 pm »
    you can tighten three of them without go,in any further with the right tools / to get the forth one you hafta pull the pivit pins / there is a HOWTO on how to do this / check it out by clicking the link
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    « Reply #3 on: May 4, 2004, 07:59:46 pm »

    all right !!  this place rocks.  

    gmule...you could get to all four of those bolts without removing the housing?  
    And out of all the sockets I own, I lost my 12 pt. 1/4" about a month ago.

    Dodgeboys..I have gone up and down that "how-to" list and still cant find the how to.  I'll try again.

    Hey....THANKS guys.
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    I could get 3 of the 4 the top right one I left alone

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    Re:tilt steering column flops like a fish
    « Reply #4 on: May 4, 2004, 08:14:14 pm »
    If you tilt the column all the way up you can get to both lower ones

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    RE: tilt steering column flops like a fish
    « Reply #5 on: May 5, 2004, 05:08:27 am »
    pheonix827 just submited a HOWTO on this a week or so ago / it must not be posted yet
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    Re:tilt steering column flops like a fish
    « Reply #6 on: May 6, 2004, 09:45:22 pm »
    I decided to get the pivot pin remover tool so I could get all four of the bolts tightened.  Amazing how the right tool makes it so much easier.

    O'reillys had one..it was Kastar brand # 525 for $7.95.
    Lisle also makes one..#19940..it's about $8.00 also.
    and OTC makes one...they were from $17 to $20.

    I got the Kastar and it worked great.  took a couple of minutes to get both pins out.

    In the pic below the pin remover is on the right.
    On the left is what I used to get the lock plate retaining ring out.
    Just a mending plate and a couple of 1/4 bolts. worked great.

    so, if anyone else has to do this, maybe those part #'s will help.

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    RE: tilt steering column flops like a fish
    « Reply #7 on: May 9, 2004, 02:40:13 pm »

    pheonix827 just submited a HOWTO on this a week or so ago / it must not be posted yet

    Still needs some editing. I know it's a LOT of info for what turns out to be a fairly simple job, there are a lot of little parts to keep track of. I KNOW I need to type up the re-assembly a bit more.
    The pivot pins will just pull out with some finagling. When I did mine, I never even knew there was a special tool for it! lol I just cross threaded a sheetmetal screww tight enough to hold and pulled them out with a claw hammer. (redneck, I know) ;D Once you get them out, relese the tilt adjuster and the whole top piece will come off,
    Make sure you use lthread locker on the screws when you tighten the screws down or you WILL be doing it again! (and soon).
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    Re:tilt steering column flops like a fish
    « Reply #8 on: May 21, 2004, 12:46:51 am »
    I also put some liquid wrench on the piviot pins which made it a lot easier to get them out the next time I had to take the column apart.

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    Re:tilt steering column flops like a fish
    « Reply #9 on: June 9, 2004, 11:43:46 pm »
    Lousy god-forsaken GM steering column! I did this to mine about a year ago. I "locktited" the inverted-torx bolts. Now my column is loose as hell again. I had a devil of a time doing this. Like an idiot, when I pulled the inverse-torx bolts out, l sat them on the dash, and knocked two of them down the defroster vents. I was not a happy camper. The prospect of having to do this again makes me wonder if I should also incorporate lock washers into the mix???

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    Re:tilt steering column flops like a fish
    « Reply #10 on: June 13, 2004, 10:24:56 pm »
    {wave} k guys here is the detailed fix looks i'm not the only lonely one kudos to this guys documentation{cool}{cool}
    http://home.t-online.de/home/O_Scholz/steering.html

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    RE: tilt steering column flops like a fish (pics for repairs)
    « Reply #11 on: March 3, 2005, 03:58:20 pm »
    Sweet, I'm glad i saw this thread. My steering column on my '93 CTD beats around and I saw in the FOUR WHEELER mag to tighten the bolts. I need to do it this weekend.

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    Re:tilt steering column flops like a fish (pics for repairs)
    « Reply #12 on: March 7, 2005, 10:41:47 am »
    auto zone has a tool set for the "reverse torx head bolts" that has one socket that will fit the tilt column bolts.  I think they refer to them as star head bolts,  I recall they are for  3/8 drive,  I welded the right size socket to a 1/4 drive socket, cheaper than snap on or matco,    
    the site from Dirt Devil was about best I've seen for directions.
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    Re: tilt steering column flops like a fish (pics for repairs)
    « Reply #13 on: July 5, 2005, 07:30:47 pm »
    {wave} k guys here is the detailed fix looks i'm not the only lonely one kudos to this guys documentation{cool}{cool}
    http://home.t-online.de/home/O_Scholz/steering.html

    The link is dead now.
    Does anyonne still have the how-to I sent in? I had completly forgotten about it!! Send it back to me with a list of whatever you need and I will see what I can do.
    What good does it do to protect the forests from tire prints if you are just going to replace them with septic tanks?

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    Re: tilt steering column flops like a fish (pics for repairs)
    « Reply #14 on: July 7, 2005, 06:05:04 am »
    . (hope I don't have to be logged in somewhere for these pics to stay up)





    I think you do have to be logged in.  All I get is pic temporarily unavailable.
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    Re: tilt steering column flops like a fish (pics for repairs)
    « Reply #15 on: July 21, 2005, 12:16:51 am »
    Why not just go the easy way out and pull the ignition and go to your local auto wrecker and pull a new column and switch the ignition. I think this is way easier.

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    Re: tilt steering column flops like a fish (pics for repairs)
    « Reply #16 on: July 23, 2005, 09:03:14 pm »
    If you are far enough in to pull the ignition, you are almost in far enough to fix the problem. LOTS easier then swapping the column too!
    What good does it do to protect the forests from tire prints if you are just going to replace them with septic tanks?

    Quote from ChrisKD,
    "Provided i don't get Mauled by a Unicorn or kicked in the nuts by some other fairytale creature, the truck should be running this weekend." :)

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    Re: tilt steering column flops like a fish (pics for repairs)
    « Reply #17 on: October 15, 2005, 03:27:18 pm »
    I have made a new how to on this topic, and have a 13 page in depth procedure saved in a Word .doc format.

    It is a good complete How-To with step by step instructions, and nice clear photos.

    To whom do I send this for posting on RCC?

    « Last Edit: October 15, 2005, 09:16:10 pm by hp383 »
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    « Reply #18 on: October 16, 2005, 12:03:24 am »
    Ok I found a friend who offered to host this on his FTP site.

    here is a link, let me know if this helps.....

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    Re: tilt steering column flops like a fish (pics for repairs)
    « Reply #19 on: October 16, 2005, 06:57:42 am »
    Nice job!! I just threaded whatever I had that fit into the pivot bolts and pryed them out. After about 1/4" they slide right out. This also works on many jeep and GM columns!
    What good does it do to protect the forests from tire prints if you are just going to replace them with septic tanks?

    Quote from ChrisKD,
    "Provided i don't get Mauled by a Unicorn or kicked in the nuts by some other fairytale creature, the truck should be running this weekend." :)

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    Re: tilt steering column flops like a fish (pics for repairs)
    « Reply #20 on: February 2, 2006, 06:14:46 pm »
    I have found some of the pictures you guys need.
    First thing you are need to do is remove the steering wheel.

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    Re: tilt steering column flops like a fish (pics for repairs)
    « Reply #21 on: February 2, 2006, 06:16:12 pm »
    Once you get the steering wheel of you will need to use a tool to remove the lock plate. I bought this at autozone for like 10.00. It will save your thumbs alot of pain.

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    Re: tilt steering column flops like a fish (pics for repairs)
    « Reply #22 on: February 2, 2006, 06:19:40 pm »
    Once you have the lock plate pressed down you will need to remove the retaining clip and the lcok plate lifts of.

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    Re: tilt steering column flops like a fish (pics for repairs)
    « Reply #23 on: February 2, 2006, 06:24:24 pm »
    On this particular steering column there is only one elctricle function on the steering wheel it is the horn. The black circle in the middle is what makes the electrical connection possible. That piece lifts out. Below that the white piece of plastic is the turn signal cam. Remove the 2 screws that hole it to the column. You may want to unplug that at the bottom of the steering coulmn so that you can slide it up and out of the way.

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    Re: tilt steering column flops like a fish (pics for repairs)
    « Reply #24 on: February 2, 2006, 06:27:09 pm »
    Once you have the horn ring and the turnsignal cam out of the way you will need to remove the ignition lockset. To do this press tab in the slot with a small screwdriver and pull on the lock it will slide out. You will need the key in the lock and turned to the on position.

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    Re: tilt steering column flops like a fish (pics for repairs)
    « Reply #25 on: February 2, 2006, 06:33:54 pm »
    Remove the 3 bright silver torx screws that holds the lockset housing on and lift up. When I did this I only unplugged the wires to the turn signals at the bottom of the column and pulled the wires loose. I did not remove them from the steering column.

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    Re: tilt steering column flops like a fish (pics for repairs)
    « Reply #26 on: February 2, 2006, 06:39:15 pm »
    There are 4 external torx bolts  that come loose and cause the column to wobble at the tilt joint. I was able to tighten 3 of them by tilting the column up and down so that I could get the socket onto the the bolts. If you are so inclined you can buy a tool that takes the pins out of the tilt joint so that you can get to the 4th bolt. but I only tightend 3 of the 4 bolts.
    Once you get those bolts tightend up all you need to do is put it all back together.

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    Your pics are IDENTICLE to the ones I got in my S10! ;) I only did 3 the first time on mine, about a month later I was in there again and diid all 4 with locktite. No problem after that.
    What good does it do to protect the forests from tire prints if you are just going to replace them with septic tanks?

    Quote from ChrisKD,
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    GM and Dodge both used the Saginaw Steering column

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    I understand that, I thought there were little differances between the 2.
    Only diff I see is here,

    There is a lock screw in the hole above the poionter, (pen?) After I pulled the screw, all I had to do was wiggle the cylinder a bit and it slid right out.  Never touched the tab. Might have something to do with almost 200k on the truck tho!
    Even the screws look the same! ;)
    What good does it do to protect the forests from tire prints if you are just going to replace them with septic tanks?

    Quote from ChrisKD,
    "Provided i don't get Mauled by a Unicorn or kicked in the nuts by some other fairytale creature, the truck should be running this weekend." :)

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    GM and Dodge both used the Saginaw Steering column
    What years did GM use this steering wheel?
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    What years did GM use this steering wheel?

    1973-1990ish for cars trucks and vans. Some were shorter and had different options but most of the parts swap out with other columns.
    « Last Edit: February 4, 2006, 03:54:24 pm by SpiderRam »

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    I understand that, I thought there were little differances between the 2.
    Only diff I see is here,

    There is a lock screw in the hole above the poionter, (pen?) After I pulled the screw, all I had to do was wiggle the cylinder a bit and it slid right out.  Never touched the tab. Might have something to do with almost 200k on the truck tho!
    Even the screws look the same! ;)


    Those pictures are from the column in my 88. There are probably changes through out the years.

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    Excellent pictures.
    That helps alot.
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    Re: tilt steering column flops like a fish (pics for repairs) new pics 02/02/06
    « Reply #34 on: February 13, 2006, 06:16:40 pm »
    How To?

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    Re: tilt steering column flops like a fish (pics for repairs) new pics 02/02/06
    « Reply #35 on: February 14, 2006, 01:45:52 pm »
    How To?

    I am actually working on a how to. The pics and captions are from my write up that is in progress. Hopefully I can get it finished soon so it can get posted.

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    Re: tilt steering column flops like a fish (pics for repairs) new pics 02/02/06
    « Reply #36 on: February 15, 2006, 12:17:36 am »
    Cool :D

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    Re: tilt steering column flops like a fish (pics for repairs) new pics 02/02/06
    « Reply #37 on: February 15, 2006, 08:01:47 pm »
    I am actually working on a how to.
    If  I can find the draft I did I will send it to you, might be able to use some of it. (chevy vs dodge differences maybe?)
    What good does it do to protect the forests from tire prints if you are just going to replace them with septic tanks?

    Quote from ChrisKD,
    "Provided i don't get Mauled by a Unicorn or kicked in the nuts by some other fairytale creature, the truck should be running this weekend." :)

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    Re: tilt steering column flops like a fish (pics for repairs) new pics 02/02/06
    « Reply #38 on: February 16, 2006, 10:03:02 am »
    If I can find the draft I did I will send it to you, might be able to use some of it. (chevy vs dodge differences maybe?)

    That would be a great help. What pics do you have? If you are working on a earlier column that would be good too because there are differences that are noteable like the stalk mounted hi beam dimmer and wipers.

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    Re: tilt steering column flops like a fish (pics for repairs) new pics 02/02/06
    « Reply #39 on: February 16, 2006, 09:00:40 pm »
    ok, will look for it this weekend.
    What good does it do to protect the forests from tire prints if you are just going to replace them with septic tanks?

    Quote from ChrisKD,
    "Provided i don't get Mauled by a Unicorn or kicked in the nuts by some other fairytale creature, the truck should be running this weekend." :)

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    If I can find the draft I did I will send it to you, might be able to use some of it. (chevy vs dodge differences maybe?)
    I DID send this didn't I?
    As for the threadlocker, this was the first time I used it on anything. I did this whole thing but just tightened the screws. 2 weeks later I had to RE-do it with the threadlock! lol
    What good does it do to protect the forests from tire prints if you are just going to replace them with septic tanks?

    Quote from ChrisKD,
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    {wave} k guys here is the detailed fix looks i'm not the only lonely one kudos to this guys documentation{cool}{cool}
    http://home.t-online.de/home/O_Scholz/steering.html
    Ok,what did i do wrong. I clicked on the link and it's in German. Don't read German too well.
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    Same here, looks like T-mobile is a German search page.
    What good does it do to protect the forests from tire prints if you are just going to replace them with septic tanks?

    Quote from ChrisKD,
    "Provided i don't get Mauled by a Unicorn or kicked in the nuts by some other fairytale creature, the truck should be running this weekend." :)

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    Your pics are the exactly the same is how mine '85 RC looks...I started to dig into min but soon saw that I was way over my head..I took it to the shop and they fixed it up for me for about $50 bucks.. And I watched them do it. Completely tore it down and pulled out one screw at a time and replaced it with lock tight...  and I have yet to have problems with it... So since I didn't have the tool or know how on how to fix it, $50 was well worth it.

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    Just tried your link and got the message:  This site des not exist on your server!  Where else can i look?
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    I found it easier (done it a few times) to go to the local pic-n-pull and get a non tilt column and replace it.  You will have to change the key cylinder, but never worry about it again. {cruise}
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    I'm having the same problems, but when I pull the shifter down into to rev, n or drive the whole steering column turns with it.  Maybe this fix will take of that too.....   I hope.  I can't find another steering column anywhere around Little Rock....

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    « Reply #50 on: February 10, 2007, 02:58:42 pm »
    Well I tightened the bolts showed in the picture and i'm still having the same problem.  I think something is broke just behind that plate where those 4 bolts are.  I'm just going to replace the column.  Anybody know where I can find one at a good price????  Thanks for your help.

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    Re: tilt steering column flops like a fish (pics for repairs) new pics 02/02/06
    « Reply #51 on: February 11, 2007, 10:59:04 am »
    I'm having the same problems, but when I pull the shifter down into to rev, n or drive the whole steering column turns with it. Maybe this fix will take of that too..... I hope. I can't find another steering column anywhere around Little Rock....

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    Re: tilt steering column flops like a fish (pics for repairs) new pics 02/02/06
    « Reply #52 on: February 12, 2007, 11:09:31 am »
    I don't know.  I'm just going to replace the steering column.  That will fix this problem and the play in the steering. 
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    I don't know. I'm just going to replace the steering column. That will fix this problem and the play in the steering.
    Trust me replacing the column is only a quick fix, I changed mine and a year later I had the Fish come back..
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    Hey everyone.  I am posting to see if anyone has ever run into a similar dilemma and what the solution is.

    I have a 1978 Dodge D150 and it was optioned with Tilt Column.

    Well over the course of my ownership the column has never been in good condition, and by that I mean it flops about loosely, the ignition switch is finicky, and the shifter lever keeps coming loose from the column, anyways I consider it junk.

    So I decided to pull a good steering column from my parts truck.   I got every thing layed out and ready to swap and realized the harnesses are a bit different across the two.  The Non tilt column came out of a 77 D100 SB, and my tilt column is from my 78 D150 BB.

    While they were standing side by side I also noticed the shifter linkage tab is shaped differently...is this going to cause me any problems?

    Any experience in this area would be greatly appreciated, I am working from a Chiltons Manual that I cannot seem to find the wiring schematic for the columns...so any help in cross wiring this non tilt column in would be awesome.

     I cannot cross refrence these two columns with my existing tech data....Anyone got any insight on my swap?

    Tilt Column Harness

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    This harness is the only one that is exactly the same between the two:

    This is what is under my dash:


    There was an adapter Harness under the dash that covered this hookup:

    But I still do not know how to integrate these two harnesses into my trucks main wiring harness....short of swapping wiring harnesses:




    Can anyone help me?

    (On a side note- check out the Black interior components I replaced all the sunbaked Red pieces with!!)





    « Last Edit: May 2, 2007, 12:52:34 pm by Adventurer150 »
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    Hey everyone.  I am posting to see if anyone has ever run into a similar dilemma and what the solution is.

    I have a 1978 Dodge D150 and it was optioned with Tilt Column.

    Well over the course of my ownership the column has never been in good condition, and by that I mean it flops about loosely, the ignition switch is finicky, and the shifter lever keeps coming loose from the column, anyways I consider it junk.

    So I decided to pull a good steering column from my parts truck.   I got every thing layed out and ready to swap and realized the harnesses are a bit different across the two.  The Non tilt column came out of a 77 D100 SB, and my tilt column is from my 78 D150 BB.

    While they were standing side by side I also noticed the shifter linkage tab is shaped differently...is this going to cause me any problems?

    Any experience in this area would be greatly appreciated, I am working from a Chiltons Manual that I cannot seem to find the wiring schematic for the columns...so any help in cross wiring this non tilt column in would be awesome.

     I cannot cross refrence these two columns with my existing tech data....Anyone got any insight on my swap?

    But I still do not know how to integrate these two harnesses into my trucks main wiring harness....short of swapping wiring harnesses:


    Can anyone help me?


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    Hey, I noticed you seem pretty knowledgable about the Saginaw steering columns.

    Could you look at my latest post on Vehicle Help/"Column Flops like a fish" thread.

    I am trying to wire in the Non tilt column, and much like everyone else I am getting frustrated with it.

    I have (1) connector across the two columns that is the same....I want to call it the turn signal harness.

    The ignition, Emergency hazards, and Horn I suppose are in the other 7 wire connector and the blue and black 2 wire connector?

    I read and reread the thread about fixing the column, but I do not even want to keep the tilt column, I WANT THE NON TILT.

    Can you help me out?

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    You did not look at the thread I mentioned? Real observant.

    Like I stated in that reply, the non tilt is from a 77 D100 Small Block truck.

    Just disregard my request for help....I am not ignorant...I found the answer I was looking for after 2 hours searching through 10 pages of crap.

    Tilt columns and anything related is a PITA.

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    I need to do this repair on my '87 Dakota, anyone know if it will be the same?  Also anyone know about how long this should take from start to finish?
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    Re: tilt steering column flops like a fish (pics for repairs) new pics 02/02/06
    « Reply #58 on: September 16, 2007, 08:45:16 am »
    Even if it's not the same it should be close. make sure you have a chilton or haynes manual close to deal with the little differences and you should be done in a couple hours I would say
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    Ok, I did this and fixed my steering column for a day, I tore it down pulled the pivots and tightened the four bolts nd everything was great, went wheeling the next day, and by lunch it was loose and flopping again, by the end of the day the whole thing was worse, the shifter linkage won't move the ignition switch is loose, and the whole column spins around when you try to shift the tranny.  I limped the truck home with the tranny manually shifted into drive from underneath, now I have major issues.

    I tore the steering column back apart and these four bolts are still tight, but what they bolt to is loose.  I've been trying to get a new column, but from what I'm finding I need one from a '87-90 Dak w/ Auto 4x4 and tilt, and no-one has one.  I either need to get my column fixed or get a replacement, anyone know if any other columns will fit my Dak, or whats wrong w/ my column and how do I fix it?
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    You can try tightening the bolts, but if it's flopping like a fish than it is probably stripped and the bolts have already come out.. Replace it is the only next option...

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    Does the Truck have cruise Control??? If it does or doesn't I'm pretty sure that is why the connectors are different...

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    Re: tilt steering column flops like a fish (pics for repairs) new pics 02/02/06
    « Reply #62 on: December 20, 2010, 03:36:48 am »
    I just noticed this post, i never knew you could tighten up the bolts, all this time i been trying to find one because my tilt was moving around, and here is a post to fix it, thank you this is great, my steering column is out of the truck so i can bring in warm house, cool
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    Does the information in this thread apply to the tilt-column in a 1991.5 D-250 diesel w/automatic-trans ??

    To what year-models does this thread apply ??

    Thanks.  :)

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     man this thread rules! have had this issue with my RC for couple of yrs now ....of course the truck has been sitting for that time as well. applied this repair tonight . after opening up my collumn it was exactly how id hoped. the 2 bottom screws were pretty much falling out. went ahead and pulled them out all the way ...applied blue thread lock, tightened them up ....collumn is rock solid now. now lets just hope i got it back together right hahaha ...anyhow BIG THANKS to Gmule for putting up his "how to" ....without this i wouldve just replaced the collumn, which btw i found one my yr model non tilt. believe me it was hard not to go that route. but anyhow its fixed now!! next couple of day i will have my RC road rdy cant wait THANKS AGAIN!
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    A few weeks ago I helped my daughter repair the steering column on her 88 Cherokee.  It is shaped a little different but the same basic steps.  It is a lot tighter in the Cherokee than in a RC or a pickup.

    Now, I have installed an 89 Cherokee column in my current project because it plugs into most of the rest of the stuff I am using off the same truck.. Guess what problem the steering column has.  Yep.  I hope I can get it done quicker than with the previous "learning experience"  At least it is not still in a Cherokee and things are not so close together.
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    thank you for this guide, recently had the keys stolen to my 84 d150 and had to change the doors & ignition lock.


    i had a haynes repair manual to help, but it left out a few major steps/ tools needed. luckily i found this, which filled in all the blanks. very quick/easy repair after scanning through this thread.

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    I have the exact same issue right now, it's not as bad as yours currently. My friends is also messed up lol. All you have to do is tighten the bolts when you move it all the way up?
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    Please explain to everyone where you are able to buy a new column at today...     {stupid}
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    what if my key doesnt turn can I still get the cylinder out?
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    Gmule, your the Man. I did my tilt in an 82 Corvette. I had the flopps all over the place. I bought the pin tool and the ring puller tool. It took me a couple days, I must of did it 10 times before the bearings stayed in place and everything slid back in place. They can be a bich sometimes. Fortunately my RC has a great tight tilt Column.
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    So I'm not certain if we're discussing how to remove play from the tilt or the left right turns on the steering wheel, but I had a lot of play left to right in my rc, so me and the old man fixed it. it was really easy, on your gearbox there is a small screw/bolt that if you tighten just a little at a time, it will completely remove the play in your turns, before doing this I was doing a half turn on my wheel before my tires took notice, its very easy to get to, just remove your battery and lookn underneath there and you should see it, it sits on top of the gearbox in the middle. don't know if this helps anyone but I figured I would let everyone know.
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    So I'm not certain if we're discussing how to remove play from the tilt or the left right turns on the steering wheel, but I had a lot of play left to right in my rc, so me and the old man fixed it. it was really easy, on your gearbox there is a small screw/bolt that if you tighten just a little at a time, it will completely remove the play in your turns, before doing this I was doing a half turn on my wheel before my tires took notice, its very easy to get to, just remove your battery and lookn underneath there and you should see it, it sits on top of the gearbox in the middle. don't know if this helps anyone but I figured I would let everyone know.

    This post is dealing with the tilt steering column being loose.

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    Fixed the floppy steering column.  Fixed the broken back on the driver's seat.  Fixed the turn signals.  Fixed the A/C.  Got tired of hot-wiring my own truck, so ignition has been replaced with toggle switch, push button, and 4 relays. 

    Was just getting used to being able to drive the truck again, and now either the rear float is sticking or the needle valve/seat is bad.  I just can't win.
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    I recently did a 1980 Corvette with tilt and telescope. it looked so much like these illustrations. You must pay close attention to re-assembly... or else...
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    Re: tilt steering column flops like a fish (pics for repairs) new pics 02/02/06
    « Reply #77 on: September 1, 2013, 12:43:39 pm »
    Thank you for this write up.. I appreciate it.. Pictures are worth a thousand words man.:o

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     great write up I will do this at the same time I repair the lower bearing-Thanks

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    I am trying to remove the pivot pins from the tilt column. I got one pin out no problem but on the shifter side I broke the puller off inside the pin. Has anyone had any luck drilling out something stuck inside there without destroying the threads?
    Once I get it out, are there any tips for extracting the pin? Or should I just look at replacing the whole column at this point?

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    Re: tilt steering column flops like a fish - pics for repairs
    « Reply #80 on: March 2, 2015, 02:52:30 pm »
    must be a common problem I have 2 mid 80s with tilt and both flop like a fish :)
    I will be trying to fix asap
    sounds like the 4th bolt fix may be a bummer
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    Re: tilt steering column flops like a fish - pics for repairs
    « Reply #81 on: March 3, 2015, 09:45:01 am »
    You guys are a helpful bunch.
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    Re: tilt steering column flops like a fish - pics for repairs
    « Reply #82 on: May 17, 2015, 07:47:47 pm »
    couldn't fix mine the little ball bearings fell out and were gone so I just swapped columns
    Also found out there are several different columns from 80-93
    Mine is a 85 truck and the column was a 86 it worked
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    Re: tilt steering column flops like a fish - pics for repairs
    « Reply #83 on: June 24, 2015, 12:04:14 pm »
    Four Wheeler Magazine did an article on common Ramcharger/Trailduster issues. The steering column was one of them. Check it out and see if t helps. They suggest locktite, I would say that's a great idea but make sure you choose the right color and also, you can get it in stick from that looks like Chapstick. Way easier and less messy to use. Here's the article.

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    Re: tilt steering column flops like a fish - pics for repairs
    « Reply #84 on: June 19, 2018, 08:33:18 am »
    If your 4 torx bolts are tight AND you still have lots of slop/play maybe difficulty moving your gear selector.  You may have a broken or breaking column housing. what happens with the Saginaw tilt is the last 3/4 inch or so of the thinly built housing fatigues from a too heavy tilt mechanism assembly paired with heavy steering wheel and also wheel being used as a handle to help get into truck/RC.    I welded my housing back together. see the broken piece in the pics.
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    Re: tilt steering column flops like a fish - pics for repairs
    « Reply #85 on: June 20, 2018, 03:59:07 am »
    That was the same issue as mine.
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    Re: tilt steering column flops like a fish - pics for repairs
    « Reply #86 on: July 25, 2019, 11:59:41 am »
    I've seen it asked several times and not answered. Where does a person get parts? Will any GM tilt column work for parts? My truck needs the actuating rod from the lock/tumbler to the ignition switch. I also need the rack/pinion for the column.
    My truck is an 84 D250.