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Re: tilt steering column flops like a fish (pics for repairs) new pics 02/02/06
« Reply #50 on: February 10, 2007, 02:58:42 pm »
Well I tightened the bolts showed in the picture and i'm still having the same problem.  I think something is broke just behind that plate where those 4 bolts are.  I'm just going to replace the column.  Anybody know where I can find one at a good price????  Thanks for your help.

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    Re: tilt steering column flops like a fish (pics for repairs) new pics 02/02/06
    « Reply #51 on: February 11, 2007, 10:59:04 am »
    I'm having the same problems, but when I pull the shifter down into to rev, n or drive the whole steering column turns with it. Maybe this fix will take of that too..... I hope. I can't find another steering column anywhere around Little Rock....

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    Re: tilt steering column flops like a fish (pics for repairs) new pics 02/02/06
    « Reply #52 on: February 12, 2007, 11:09:31 am »
    I don't know.  I'm just going to replace the steering column.  That will fix this problem and the play in the steering. 
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    I don't know. I'm just going to replace the steering column. That will fix this problem and the play in the steering.
    Trust me replacing the column is only a quick fix, I changed mine and a year later I had the Fish come back..
    I will do the lock tite thing this time and save the $200.

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    Hey everyone.  I am posting to see if anyone has ever run into a similar dilemma and what the solution is.

    I have a 1978 Dodge D150 and it was optioned with Tilt Column.

    Well over the course of my ownership the column has never been in good condition, and by that I mean it flops about loosely, the ignition switch is finicky, and the shifter lever keeps coming loose from the column, anyways I consider it junk.

    So I decided to pull a good steering column from my parts truck.   I got every thing layed out and ready to swap and realized the harnesses are a bit different across the two.  The Non tilt column came out of a 77 D100 SB, and my tilt column is from my 78 D150 BB.

    While they were standing side by side I also noticed the shifter linkage tab is shaped differently...is this going to cause me any problems?

    Any experience in this area would be greatly appreciated, I am working from a Chiltons Manual that I cannot seem to find the wiring schematic for the columns...so any help in cross wiring this non tilt column in would be awesome.

     I cannot cross refrence these two columns with my existing tech data....Anyone got any insight on my swap?

    Tilt Column Harness

    Non tilt Harness

    This harness is the only one that is exactly the same between the two:

    This is what is under my dash:


    There was an adapter Harness under the dash that covered this hookup:

    But I still do not know how to integrate these two harnesses into my trucks main wiring harness....short of swapping wiring harnesses:




    Can anyone help me?

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    « Last Edit: May 2, 2007, 12:52:34 pm by Adventurer150 »
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    Hey everyone.  I am posting to see if anyone has ever run into a similar dilemma and what the solution is.

    I have a 1978 Dodge D150 and it was optioned with Tilt Column.

    Well over the course of my ownership the column has never been in good condition, and by that I mean it flops about loosely, the ignition switch is finicky, and the shifter lever keeps coming loose from the column, anyways I consider it junk.

    So I decided to pull a good steering column from my parts truck.   I got every thing layed out and ready to swap and realized the harnesses are a bit different across the two.  The Non tilt column came out of a 77 D100 SB, and my tilt column is from my 78 D150 BB.

    While they were standing side by side I also noticed the shifter linkage tab is shaped differently...is this going to cause me any problems?

    Any experience in this area would be greatly appreciated, I am working from a Chiltons Manual that I cannot seem to find the wiring schematic for the columns...so any help in cross wiring this non tilt column in would be awesome.

     I cannot cross refrence these two columns with my existing tech data....Anyone got any insight on my swap?

    But I still do not know how to integrate these two harnesses into my trucks main wiring harness....short of swapping wiring harnesses:


    Can anyone help me?


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    Hey, I noticed you seem pretty knowledgable about the Saginaw steering columns.

    Could you look at my latest post on Vehicle Help/"Column Flops like a fish" thread.

    I am trying to wire in the Non tilt column, and much like everyone else I am getting frustrated with it.

    I have (1) connector across the two columns that is the same....I want to call it the turn signal harness.

    The ignition, Emergency hazards, and Horn I suppose are in the other 7 wire connector and the blue and black 2 wire connector?

    I read and reread the thread about fixing the column, but I do not even want to keep the tilt column, I WANT THE NON TILT.

    Can you help me out?

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    You did not look at the thread I mentioned? Real observant.

    Like I stated in that reply, the non tilt is from a 77 D100 Small Block truck.

    Just disregard my request for help....I am not ignorant...I found the answer I was looking for after 2 hours searching through 10 pages of crap.

    Tilt columns and anything related is a PITA.

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    When you PM a person for help that overides the responses on the board, so either PM or post to the thread and don't send me any insulting messages because your too good to answer a question! I have NO time for dis-respectful people and that includes you! I get 100's of emails and PM's every week and I do not have the time to hold everyones hands and kiss their backside. In the future use a civil tongue and brain and if you had done your research properly before PMing me you would have consoled your hyper need to have an answer and the need to be coddled! There are 10,000 other members here and they can all give advice. :)
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    yes I must agree... you don't insult someone you're asking for help......

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    Obviously you were ignorant of something, or why else would you be asking for someone's help?

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    I need to do this repair on my '87 Dakota, anyone know if it will be the same?  Also anyone know about how long this should take from start to finish?
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    Re: tilt steering column flops like a fish (pics for repairs) new pics 02/02/06
    « Reply #58 on: September 16, 2007, 08:45:16 am »
    Even if it's not the same it should be close. make sure you have a chilton or haynes manual close to deal with the little differences and you should be done in a couple hours I would say
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    Ok, I did this and fixed my steering column for a day, I tore it down pulled the pivots and tightened the four bolts nd everything was great, went wheeling the next day, and by lunch it was loose and flopping again, by the end of the day the whole thing was worse, the shifter linkage won't move the ignition switch is loose, and the whole column spins around when you try to shift the tranny.  I limped the truck home with the tranny manually shifted into drive from underneath, now I have major issues.

    I tore the steering column back apart and these four bolts are still tight, but what they bolt to is loose.  I've been trying to get a new column, but from what I'm finding I need one from a '87-90 Dak w/ Auto 4x4 and tilt, and no-one has one.  I either need to get my column fixed or get a replacement, anyone know if any other columns will fit my Dak, or whats wrong w/ my column and how do I fix it?
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    You can try tightening the bolts, but if it's flopping like a fish than it is probably stripped and the bolts have already come out.. Replace it is the only next option...

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    Does the Truck have cruise Control??? If it does or doesn't I'm pretty sure that is why the connectors are different...

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    Re: tilt steering column flops like a fish (pics for repairs) new pics 02/02/06
    « Reply #62 on: December 20, 2010, 03:36:48 am »
    I just noticed this post, i never knew you could tighten up the bolts, all this time i been trying to find one because my tilt was moving around, and here is a post to fix it, thank you this is great, my steering column is out of the truck so i can bring in warm house, cool
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    Does the information in this thread apply to the tilt-column in a 1991.5 D-250 diesel w/automatic-trans ??

    To what year-models does this thread apply ??

    Thanks.  :)

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     man this thread rules! have had this issue with my RC for couple of yrs now ....of course the truck has been sitting for that time as well. applied this repair tonight . after opening up my collumn it was exactly how id hoped. the 2 bottom screws were pretty much falling out. went ahead and pulled them out all the way ...applied blue thread lock, tightened them up ....collumn is rock solid now. now lets just hope i got it back together right hahaha ...anyhow BIG THANKS to Gmule for putting up his "how to" ....without this i wouldve just replaced the collumn, which btw i found one my yr model non tilt. believe me it was hard not to go that route. but anyhow its fixed now!! next couple of day i will have my RC road rdy cant wait THANKS AGAIN!
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    A few weeks ago I helped my daughter repair the steering column on her 88 Cherokee.  It is shaped a little different but the same basic steps.  It is a lot tighter in the Cherokee than in a RC or a pickup.

    Now, I have installed an 89 Cherokee column in my current project because it plugs into most of the rest of the stuff I am using off the same truck.. Guess what problem the steering column has.  Yep.  I hope I can get it done quicker than with the previous "learning experience"  At least it is not still in a Cherokee and things are not so close together.
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    thank you for this guide, recently had the keys stolen to my 84 d150 and had to change the doors & ignition lock.


    i had a haynes repair manual to help, but it left out a few major steps/ tools needed. luckily i found this, which filled in all the blanks. very quick/easy repair after scanning through this thread.

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    I have the exact same issue right now, it's not as bad as yours currently. My friends is also messed up lol. All you have to do is tighten the bolts when you move it all the way up?
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    Please explain to everyone where you are able to buy a new column at today...     {stupid}
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    what if my key doesnt turn can I still get the cylinder out?
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    Gmule, your the Man. I did my tilt in an 82 Corvette. I had the flopps all over the place. I bought the pin tool and the ring puller tool. It took me a couple days, I must of did it 10 times before the bearings stayed in place and everything slid back in place. They can be a bich sometimes. Fortunately my RC has a great tight tilt Column.
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    So I'm not certain if we're discussing how to remove play from the tilt or the left right turns on the steering wheel, but I had a lot of play left to right in my rc, so me and the old man fixed it. it was really easy, on your gearbox there is a small screw/bolt that if you tighten just a little at a time, it will completely remove the play in your turns, before doing this I was doing a half turn on my wheel before my tires took notice, its very easy to get to, just remove your battery and lookn underneath there and you should see it, it sits on top of the gearbox in the middle. don't know if this helps anyone but I figured I would let everyone know.
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    So I'm not certain if we're discussing how to remove play from the tilt or the left right turns on the steering wheel, but I had a lot of play left to right in my rc, so me and the old man fixed it. it was really easy, on your gearbox there is a small screw/bolt that if you tighten just a little at a time, it will completely remove the play in your turns, before doing this I was doing a half turn on my wheel before my tires took notice, its very easy to get to, just remove your battery and lookn underneath there and you should see it, it sits on top of the gearbox in the middle. don't know if this helps anyone but I figured I would let everyone know.

    This post is dealing with the tilt steering column being loose.

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    Fixed the floppy steering column.  Fixed the broken back on the driver's seat.  Fixed the turn signals.  Fixed the A/C.  Got tired of hot-wiring my own truck, so ignition has been replaced with toggle switch, push button, and 4 relays. 

    Was just getting used to being able to drive the truck again, and now either the rear float is sticking or the needle valve/seat is bad.  I just can't win.
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    I recently did a 1980 Corvette with tilt and telescope. it looked so much like these illustrations. You must pay close attention to re-assembly... or else...
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    Re: tilt steering column flops like a fish (pics for repairs) new pics 02/02/06
    « Reply #77 on: September 1, 2013, 12:43:39 pm »
    Thank you for this write up.. I appreciate it.. Pictures are worth a thousand words man.:o

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     great write up I will do this at the same time I repair the lower bearing-Thanks

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    I am trying to remove the pivot pins from the tilt column. I got one pin out no problem but on the shifter side I broke the puller off inside the pin. Has anyone had any luck drilling out something stuck inside there without destroying the threads?
    Once I get it out, are there any tips for extracting the pin? Or should I just look at replacing the whole column at this point?

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    Re: tilt steering column flops like a fish - pics for repairs
    « Reply #80 on: March 2, 2015, 02:52:30 pm »
    must be a common problem I have 2 mid 80s with tilt and both flop like a fish :)
    I will be trying to fix asap
    sounds like the 4th bolt fix may be a bummer
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    Re: tilt steering column flops like a fish - pics for repairs
    « Reply #81 on: March 3, 2015, 09:45:01 am »
    You guys are a helpful bunch.
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    Re: tilt steering column flops like a fish - pics for repairs
    « Reply #82 on: May 17, 2015, 07:47:47 pm »
    couldn't fix mine the little ball bearings fell out and were gone so I just swapped columns
    Also found out there are several different columns from 80-93
    Mine is a 85 truck and the column was a 86 it worked
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    Re: tilt steering column flops like a fish - pics for repairs
    « Reply #83 on: June 24, 2015, 12:04:14 pm »
    Four Wheeler Magazine did an article on common Ramcharger/Trailduster issues. The steering column was one of them. Check it out and see if t helps. They suggest locktite, I would say that's a great idea but make sure you choose the right color and also, you can get it in stick from that looks like Chapstick. Way easier and less messy to use. Here's the article.

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    Re: tilt steering column flops like a fish - pics for repairs
    « Reply #84 on: June 19, 2018, 08:33:18 am »
    If your 4 torx bolts are tight AND you still have lots of slop/play maybe difficulty moving your gear selector.  You may have a broken or breaking column housing. what happens with the Saginaw tilt is the last 3/4 inch or so of the thinly built housing fatigues from a too heavy tilt mechanism assembly paired with heavy steering wheel and also wheel being used as a handle to help get into truck/RC.    I welded my housing back together. see the broken piece in the pics.
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    Re: tilt steering column flops like a fish - pics for repairs
    « Reply #85 on: June 20, 2018, 03:59:07 am »
    That was the same issue as mine.
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    Re: tilt steering column flops like a fish - pics for repairs
    « Reply #86 on: July 25, 2019, 11:59:41 am »
    I've seen it asked several times and not answered. Where does a person get parts? Will any GM tilt column work for parts? My truck needs the actuating rod from the lock/tumbler to the ignition switch. I also need the rack/pinion for the column.
    My truck is an 84 D250.