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Hei conversion now exhaust glowing red when reving
« on: January 6, 2021, 12:16:56 pm »
I recently converted the ignition to a gm style and deleted the ballast.its an 85 d150 with a 318 2 barrel.  It took a bunch of times to initially start when it started It it had a real rough idle until I step on the gas and kick the fast idle off then it runs smoother. I was reving it after it was running for 5 or ten min and it was backfiring at the exhaust not one loud pop just two or three small pops from the exhaust. I donít know what made me look under the truck I saw the exhaust glowing red from the cat and middle section of the exhaust. It was not glowing at the headers or down pipes. It has a 2280 Holley on it. All the emissions is hooked up still. The exhaust is a single inlet with dual outlets coming out of the back the muffler is near the rear axle I didnít get to see if that was glowing I shut it off. I donít hear any exhaust leaks the whole exhaust is welded together except one joint. Would the air gap in the distributor play a roll in misfiring? I donít think it misfires at idle if so maybe one cylinder on load is when it sounds off a little bit kind of like a popping but not very distinct. I just need to figure this out so I can use it as my work truck. Also which way does the distributor need to be turned to advance and retard the timing?
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    Re: Hei conversion now exhaust glowing red when reving
    « Reply #1 on: January 6, 2021, 02:24:28 pm »
    its LEAN and the NEW ignition is burning better so it shows the lean fuel mixture even more , DONOT keep running it like that very long , it,ll burn the spark plugs and valves right out of it

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    « Reply #2 on: January 6, 2021, 03:01:16 pm »
    How can I fatten up the mixture Iíve heard that there is no adjustment for the 2280 Holley. When I put it in gear to drive it stumbles and bucks until I get going then it gets a little better.  So I think itís def misfiring.
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    Re: Hei conversion now exhaust glowing red when reving
    « Reply #3 on: January 6, 2021, 03:48:40 pm »
    from the cat back is red hot ? is the choke opening ALL the way ?
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    « Reply #4 on: January 6, 2021, 04:22:59 pm »
    Yea the choke opens all the way.
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    Re: Hei conversion now exhaust glowing red when reving
    « Reply #5 on: January 6, 2021, 04:24:48 pm »
    Red freakin hot from the cat back to the muffler Iím gonna go put a vac gauge on the intake to see what the vacuum is at idle and on load. Also Iím gonna test the compression and Iíll post the results.
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    Re: Hei conversion now exhaust glowing red when reving
    « Reply #6 on: January 6, 2021, 07:43:52 pm »
    You didnt say your ignition timing so thats the first place to look.  Probably late.  Fix it PDQ like dodgeboys said
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    Re: Hei conversion now exhaust glowing red when reving
    « Reply #7 on: January 7, 2021, 12:30:46 am »
    Two of the plug wires were switched around so dumb I am. It still smokes a little out of the exhaust but runs really smooth now. The compression test they were all at 100 dry. The vacuum gauge when hooked up to the manifold is around 20 and doesnít flutter. When I give it a little throttle it drops to 14 and then directly goes back up to  20. I have to get a timing light and check it since I took care of the misfire. The exhaust wasnít glowing at all. I still think I fucked the cat up so Iím gonna have to replace it. Last thing on the list is the power steering pump. It whines and makes crazy noises. Can I rebuild it? Also does anyone have a 4 barrel carb around Phoenix for sale?
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    Re: Hei conversion now exhaust glowing red when reving
    « Reply #8 on: January 7, 2021, 02:57:00 am »
    low oil or air will also make the p/s pump whine , check before you replace for nothing .
     unburned fuel made it glow because of the switched plug wires , like too much choke would have . even amounts of compression is a good thing . 20 inches is also a good thing !  unless your carb is a bad 4 brl , swapping a 2 brl for a 4 brl will do almost noting for ya except use more gas . 100 psi compression says this is a low HP motor . either live with that or redo the whole motor IF you must have a hot rod . if it runs well and don't burn oil , ME I'd leave it alone drive and enjoy , and work on a complete replacement engine with lots of time to do it .
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    « Reply #9 on: January 7, 2021, 10:51:36 am »
    Yea I just have a 2p2 intake I want to throw on with a four barrel for towing Iím gonna use this thing as a work truck to contract some work. Yes Iím def gonna leave it alone and just fix the steering. Itís leading me to believe that the truck really has only 42k original miles on it. The compression was a dry run. So I wonder what it would be after I let it warm up. Would it run better with the smog pump and emission components like egr delete?
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    Re: Hei conversion now exhaust glowing red when reving
    « Reply #10 on: January 7, 2021, 12:49:46 pm »
    Also I replaced the thermostat the old one was stuck open and the engine would take a while to warm up. I replaced it with a new one. So now when I have it running and the choke plate is wide open So it tells me the engine is warmed up  the temp gauge is only at the first notch above C. IT doesnít go any further. Is this the new thermostat malfunctioning or what?
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    « Reply #11 on: January 7, 2021, 01:30:53 pm »
    no the dash gauges are well known for being poor reading , 1 notch is common , use that gauge as a indacation of whats going on not a actual temp reading , after a while you'll get to know when she's real HOT by that gauge . as long as it don't puke its ok . :)  the 4 brl won't help , do comp tests with the throttle blocked wide open , all plugs out . REMOVE THROTTLE BLOCK as soon as your done !!!!
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    Re: Hei conversion now exhaust glowing red when reving
    « Reply #12 on: January 7, 2021, 02:10:47 pm »
    Agree, A 4BBL wont help at all, and itll be even worse without an intake swap.  Dont use a 2BBL to 4BBL adapter please.
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    Re: Hei conversion now exhaust glowing red when reving
    « Reply #13 on: January 7, 2021, 02:44:04 pm »
    So I shouldnít put the edelbrock intake on?
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    Re: Hei conversion now exhaust glowing red when reving
    « Reply #14 on: January 7, 2021, 04:21:42 pm »
    I'm gonna give you my opinion , at 100 psi compression your current engine will make a fine daily driver , but NOT a Hot Rod .   If you must have a hot rod , I recommend you get a engine "core" ( used engine) and start your engine biuld there while you enjoy driving and caring for the truck , when the "new" engine is finished you will have taken care of the brakes , steering, interior of the truck, combine the 2 and you have a nice truck .

     also know that unless you spend plenty of money , our dodge pick ups will never be a Hot Rod ....I'd hone my restoration skills first before I threw any money at power/speed ..... in the long run it will be much more satisfying
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    « Reply #15 on: January 8, 2021, 11:38:31 am »
    I agree with you 100. The cold start used to be fine now itís choppy as hell as soon as the engine warms up itís fine choke plate opens. Does this mean itís running too rich with the choke plate closed and then when it opens itís getting enough air and itís fine? And I def hear shit rattling in the exhaust from overheating the cat Iím gonna cut it open. Lol
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    « Reply #16 on: January 8, 2021, 11:42:53 am »
    So I shouldnít put the edelbrock intake on?

    Well you didnt mention you had that, you said "bolt on a 4BBL for towing."  I assumed you meant stock intake...Used to idle fine?  Before the HEI conversion or did you change something else?
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    « Reply #17 on: January 8, 2021, 04:05:26 pm »
    there is a system that closes the choke completely while its cranking , then ounce it starts and the engine has vacume it pulls the choke open a little more so it does not chug , sounds like some adjustment is needed .
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    « Reply #18 on: January 8, 2021, 04:53:16 pm »
     Just hei conversion thatís all I did
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    Re: Hei conversion now exhaust glowing red when reving
    « Reply #19 on: January 9, 2021, 07:56:05 am »
    So I shouldnít put the edelbrock intake on?


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    Re: Hei conversion now exhaust glowing red when reving
    « Reply #20 on: January 9, 2021, 12:02:24 pm »
    The standard small port Performer (318) intake with a small 4 bbl is alright with the right tuning. I ran that set up for a while and was pleased with it.
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    « Reply #21 on: January 10, 2021, 12:11:24 pm »
    I have the small port intake Iím not worried about the mismatch. What is a good alternative to the dodge proportioning valve for the brakes?
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    « Reply #22 on: January 10, 2021, 12:16:49 pm »
    a 1990's one from a dodge mounted by the brake master . will need to make new lines .
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    « Reply #23 on: January 10, 2021, 04:57:12 pm »
    Where can I find a new original one   for an 85 it has discs/ drums I picked one up from the junkyard it doesnít work either besides the one I have on it which the brake light is always on but all the brakes have fluid I bled them a bunch so I just need a new one. Itís the last thing before itís road worthy.
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    « Reply #24 on: January 10, 2021, 05:15:15 pm »
     you MAY get it to move the valve inside by stepping with 2 feet on the brake pedal . If not , the ones off newer dodges that mount near the brake booster are for drum/disc as well , and work well as replacements . You will need to eliminate the hard to access brake lines under your feet on the old prop valve . wiring is the same .   
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    87w150 44/corp727 kandy w/ ghost bats/summer
    86-D/W100 44/corp/318mag/carb/4500/aka shit box/winter
    93w150short/44/corp/360/le/mag "caddie"
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    « Reply #25 on: January 10, 2021, 06:02:04 pm »
    Well that sucks all the lines are like new. So which lines get eliminated? Thereís one line that goes to back and two lines for the front. I would have to extend the back line and two front lines up to the master cylinder is that correct? Or can I just install the newer dodge valve where the old one went
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    « Reply #26 on: January 10, 2021, 06:06:09 pm »
    Check your parking brake. Pull the release knob, and push up on the pedal. That could be the cause of the light.
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    « Reply #27 on: January 10, 2021, 06:18:37 pm »
     The parking brake switch is disconnected I thought that was the problem in the beginning when I tried messing with it the thing just crumbled
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    « Reply #28 on: January 10, 2021, 07:07:14 pm »
    Oh, well, I was hoping. I have never had an issue with a proportioning valve, strange that you found two bad ones.
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    « Reply #29 on: January 10, 2021, 07:49:38 pm »
     Iíve been messing with them both for weeks trying to get them to center Iím sick of it now lol itís about to be toad worthy Iím looking for a new one but thatís a dead end too lol. Are you familiar with why thereís a hose from the rear axle brake fluid junction it goes to the passenger side rear shock at the top. The driver side doesnít have this or a fitting on the shock.
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    « Reply #30 on: January 10, 2021, 08:40:57 pm »
    Are you talking about the hose that comes straight up from the brake junction? if so, it sounds like the rubber hose that is the vent for the axle.

    Have you disconnected the wire, to be sure it is the prop valve turning the brake light on?

    Are you sure you got all the air out of the lines? and master?

    Or can I just install the newer dodge valve where the old one went
    Yes you can, may need to bend the existing lines a bit to make it fit.
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    Re: Hei conversion now exhaust glowing red when reving
    « Reply #31 on: January 10, 2021, 11:10:31 pm »
    combi valve / proportioning valve
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    « Reply #32 on: January 10, 2021, 11:12:15 pm »
    and just so you know a 'combi; valve almost NEVER go's bad
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    « Reply #33 on: January 10, 2021, 11:28:24 pm »
    I hate to post this pic, this tool is only to be used when using pressure bleeding equipment. Definitly do not try to imitate this by using vise grips.



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    85/89/90 D150/W250 5.9TBI/435/241 D44HD/D60HD
    85 W350 360/727/241 D44HD/D60
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    20 Pacifica Hybrid, 3.6 V6, EVT 1 speed trans.
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    « Reply #34 on: January 11, 2021, 11:43:05 am »
     So if itís not the proportioning valve or the parking brake switch setting the light off then what else could it be?
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    Re: Hei conversion now exhaust glowing red when reving
    « Reply #35 on: January 11, 2021, 01:51:22 pm »
    Only other thing is a short somewhere. Did you actually disconnect the parking brake switch? That would be my first look, then I would follow the wire from the prop valve, up to the firewall connector. After that, it is the two wire inside, from the firewall, and the parking brake, to the light.
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    Re: Hei conversion now exhaust glowing red when reving
    « Reply #36 on: January 11, 2021, 03:08:07 pm »
    i just mount the newer style on its bracket by the booster , install new brake lines to replace the rusty ones and kill 2 birds with one stone . now you can get AT the damned thing .
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    Re: Hei conversion now exhaust glowing red when reving
    « Reply #37 on: January 11, 2021, 04:24:50 pm »
    So if itís not the proportioning valve or the parking brake switch setting the light off then what else could it be?

    well it IS the proportioning valve that IS turning on the light , you just gotta recenter it , that does NOT mean its BAD , as a last ditch effort after try.ing the real HARD foot Stomp [ several times] you can take the brake light sensor out and use a AWL to center it
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    Re: Hei conversion now exhaust glowing red when reving
    « Reply #38 on: January 11, 2021, 10:15:10 pm »
    I took the proportioning valve apart and cleaned everything it was very sludged up with residue and the piston in there wouldnít move. I cleaned all the parts and put on new o ring seals in there I got the bleeder tool and inserted it so the piston canít move when I bleed it. So far itís a success
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    « Reply #39 on: January 13, 2021, 11:08:23 am »
    Do both field wires on the alternator have 12v to them? Or should just one of them show battery voltage
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    Re: Hei conversion now exhaust glowing red when reving
    « Reply #40 on: January 13, 2021, 11:38:32 am »
    Do both field wires on the alternator have 12v to them? Or should just one of them show battery voltage

    only ONE and its the blue wire
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    Re: Hei conversion now exhaust glowing red when reving
    « Reply #41 on: January 13, 2021, 01:14:24 pm »
    Do both field wires on the alternator have 12v to them? Or should just one of them show battery voltage

    12 volts goes into the alternator windings and comes out the other terminal to the other wire. If both are connected, you will see voltage since it carries through and grounds through the regulator.
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    « Reply #42 on: January 13, 2021, 04:22:54 pm »
    you should see voltage at the blue wire , the same voltage at the alt's other field spade IF the regulators ground wire is not connected , you should see about 7-8 volts GROUND at the other field wire disconnected .  here's where a multi meter must be looked at closely , as it will say volts and have the - sign as well .....
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    Re: Hei conversion now exhaust glowing red when reving
    « Reply #43 on: January 13, 2021, 08:49:18 pm »
    I replaced the voltage regulator 3 months ago. After I did the hei conversion and upgradedthe charge wire. Iím only seeing battery voltage at the blue terminal. Battery voltage is 12.5 at the battery when everything is off. While the engine is at idle Iím seeing 12.2 with high beams on and ac on Iím seeing 8.8. Before I did the hei I was getting 14 at idle and 13 while accessories were on. I just replaced the voltage regulator    Today  and still the same thing. All the grounds I checked and sanded and when I turn the accessories off the voltage goes back up to 12.2 I also tightened the belts and changed the brushes yesterday. Either I messed up or the alternator took a crap
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    Re: Hei conversion now exhaust glowing red when reving
    « Reply #44 on: January 13, 2021, 09:04:19 pm »
    Well, you're clearly not charging.  Triple check all connections. Make sure the green wire in the diagram is making good contact at the regulator and that the regulator is well-grounded. If that checks out, then either your regulator died (very common for anything that isn't MOPAR) or something failed in the alternator.

    Next step, you disconnect the green wire at the alternator. Connect a loose wire to the terminal at the alternator instead, and directly ground this wire while the engine is running. Do this only for a 2-3 seconds (you personally are now taking the place of the regulator), and you should see the voltage go up a LOT. This is called full-fielding.

    If the voltage goes up, then your problem is the regulator. If it does nothing, the alternator is the problem.
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    Re: Hei conversion now exhaust glowing red when reving
    « Reply #45 on: January 13, 2021, 09:13:05 pm »
    you say this satrted when you did the HEI swap , l,d go back to where you started and where you got power for the HEI
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    « Reply #46 on: January 14, 2021, 08:10:10 am »
    I got power from where the ballast resistor was. I deleted the ballast and jumped the wires together. I just got a new reg. Iím gonna test the alt this morning. And I will post.
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    Re: Hei conversion now exhaust glowing red when reving
    « Reply #47 on: January 14, 2021, 08:12:13 am »
    Thereís also a charge temp sensor on the intake. I donít have lean burn or a feedback carb so what is this doing? Nothing right? I also donít have an 02 sensor. So did somone convert this before I got it?
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    « Reply #48 on: January 14, 2021, 08:47:32 am »
     that is a possible location to get keyed power FROM .  you need a little better understanding of the charging systems operation . The feed back from the charge air temp ... please post photos of this ?
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    Re: Hei conversion now exhaust glowing red when reving
    « Reply #49 on: January 17, 2021, 06:22:08 pm »
    Why would the choke plate close all the way. It used to never do that now it shuts all the way when Iím trying to start it
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