Topic: Events at the Capitol

[Aussie Challenger]

 yup like Joe , the big guy  , he's been there 40 years , and is rich to boot .Idjuts been electin him  do some damn research yerself ...

Maybe we should refer to 'The Big Guy's' real name "Big Brother".
The purge has started and he isn't even sworn in yet, any conservative voice will be shut down, what next will they pass laws to put any person who thinks for themselves and tries to let others know in Jail.
Mao & Hitler would be proud of what is happening in America today.
R.I.P. Freedom

[RamChargerCentral]

[712edf]

They better do the inauguration indoors, ol Joe might catch a projectile otherwise.

"Promising is one thing, paying is another"

Bucky

[dodge82273]

Maybe we should refer to 'The Big Guy's' real name "Big Brother".
The purge has started and he isn't even sworn in yet, any conservative voice will be shut down, what next will they pass laws to put any person who thinks for themselves and tries to let others know in Jail.
Mao & Hitler would be proud of what is happening in America today.
R.I.P. Freedom

the governor of MY (?) state has asked that all residents be vaccinated . Then knowing he could not legally enforce that he proposed a bill , that if/when HE declairs a health state of emergency , he can lock up in a hospital ,anyone who posies a public health threat for 90 days , WITH OUT due process .   

[PowerWagonPete]

By the way, if any one of you Cheat-O Joe short hair sniffers want to watch Ashli Babbitt get gunned down with absolutely no justification, that's right here...

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/01/identity-capitol-policeman-shot-unarmed-ashli-babbitt-dead-not-yet-released-video/   

[KThaxton]

By the way, if any one of you Cheat-O Joe short hair sniffers want to watch Ashli Babbitt get gunned down with absolutely no justification, that's right here...

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/01/identity-capitol-policeman-shot-unarmed-ashli-babbitt-dead-not-yet-released-video/   

Have you made the assumption that those of us that didn't buy into the bullshit presented by Trump et all, and therefore were opposed to the actions that took place at the Capitol, are unanimously of the conclusion that her shooting was ok and dandy? Kind of asinine don't you think? Just pretend to be smart for a moment and understand there are a lot of people out there that have not bought into one "side" 100% like you all have. We actually make up our own minds about policy/events etc.

I don't know enough about the details to come to a conclusion just yet, it certainly looks bad, but I also heard about some rules of engagement that are different when an officer is specifically tasked with protecting (an) individual(s). I await more details before I make a conclusion.

[Mopar572]

Isnt it illegal to march through barricades and enter the US capitol building?  I'm not saying she should have been shot and killed, just saying maybe she shouldn't have put herself there.  If I walk across the street in the middle of the night and go into my neighbors house, I'm not necessarily planning to get shot, but I doubt Ill get offered coffee and donuts.

[mttaff]

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://mb.ntd.com/analysis-of-ashli-babbit-video-suggests-coordinated-actions-interview-with-masako_551860.html&ved=2ahUKEwitmJuH2JnuAhXoFlkFHfGCD_QQo7QBMAN6BAgBEAE&usg=AOvVaw1fcdHQBhPVetVJhvx3sSsz

[mttaff]

Bad people that portray themselves on either side to get the response they want. Unfortunately,  it's easy to get people to follow. It's getting harder to decipher what you can believe and what you can't.

[Aussie Challenger]

It's getting harder to decipher what you can believe and what you can't.

The answer is to read as much as you can on any given subject....
Oh I forgot one side is using their misguided power to censor all objective matters if it doesn't fit in with how they want to direct the narrative.   

[KThaxton]

By the way, if any one of you Cheat-O Joe short hair sniffers want to watch Ashli Babbitt get gunned down with absolutely no justification, that's right here...

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/01/identity-capitol-policeman-shot-unarmed-ashli-babbitt-dead-not-yet-released-video/   

Further.....if I take one from y'all's playbook and use it against you......"Where was your outrage when unarmed  George Floyd was killed?"

See how that works? Kinda asinine isn't it?


None of this or that....makes the violence at the Capitol ok, nor does it make Trump's continued lies or the bullshit conspiracies that caused it, ok either. 

Attempting to justify and rationalize what happened there, just makes you an asshole. My gawd, these clowns chanted they wanted to hang Mike Pence for fuck's sake. The guy that was dumb enough to stand by Trump no matter what. Then you gullible dolts (including Trump) think Pence can unilaterally do something about it when there is no way he can.....then it jumps right to him being abandoned by Trump, a traitor and that he needs to hang. It is fucked up, bigley fucked up.

[KThaxton]

The answer is to read as much as you can on any given subject....
Oh I forgot one side is using their misguided power to censor all objective matters if it doesn't fit in with how they want to direct the narrative.   

and here it is, the typical over simplified response.

First of all, when you do "read as much as you can..." make sure you use unbiased sources unlike what you all do.
Secondly, there is a difference between sharing differing opinions and provoking violence and/or spreading lies and conspiracy theories that provoke said violence. If I owned a platform and that kind of shit was being spread on it, I'd shut it down too.

[KThaxton]

For good measure, the Joint Chiefs of Staff denounced the riots as a "direct assault on the American way of Life" and reiterated that Joe Biden will be the next Commander in Chief.

Story and statement here:
https://www.military.com/daily-news/2021/01/12/unprecedented-joint-letter-top-generals-denounce-us-capitol-riot.html

[Aussie Challenger]

and here it is, the typical over simplified response.

First of all, when you do "read as much as you can..." make sure you use unbiased sources unlike what you all do.
Secondly, there is a difference between sharing differing opinions and provoking violence and/or spreading lies and conspiracy theories that provoke said violence. If owned a platform and that kind of shit was being spread on it, I'd shut it down too.

Man you are so blinded by your limited biased reading.
I read extensively from both sources, fortunately so far we get to read a little more of what is censored in America here in Australia.
As for encouraging rioting when the democraps called everyone to riot against any Conservative it was widely published in all media and not censored at all.
The answer is very simple but democraps try to look superior by complicating issues, just look at how much 'pork barreling went into the $600 relief for the oppressed American Citizen, pet projects and other countries received more overall than America.
It is time you woke up and take a deep breath to smell what has been spoon fed to you.

[KThaxton]

Man you are so blinded by your limited biased reading.
I read extensively from both sources, fortunately so far we get to read a little more of what is censored in America here in Australia.

Then how come nearly every time you post a source or an article, it is almost always verifiable bullshit?

[Aussie Challenger]

This is your opinion and as usual you do not bother to search through all available information, just wake up. You like pelosi have a warped view on what is important, there is so much more that needs to be done to help the average American Citizen but your blind rage won't let you get on with life.
Grow up...

[SuperBurban]

Until both sides decide they want to work together, nothing will get better. The demon cats have been targeting trump since before he took office. Whet did they think would be the end result? Demon cats spent the summer inciting riots all over the country, Whet did they expect would happen? They refuse to even allow any real investigation into any of the election irregularities, what did they think would happen? Now the demon cats have voted to impeach the president again, what do they think will happen next?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJCDe7vdFfw

[KThaxton]

I have blind rage and need to get on with life?

At least I am not dabbling in and pretending to be an expert in a foreign country's politics, I would say, you sir, need to move on with your life.

I would never try to tell an Australian what is going on in their government. 

Further, I research plenty for the topics I opine on, I just don't seek out the conspiracy theories and the biased sources that suit me and blindly accept what they tell me..... because well, that is idiotic.....flat earthers are a case in point. Whether you guys want to accept it or not, they are only one-step further than you on the crazy scale. Same flawed thought process, just one level worse.

[KThaxton]

Until both sides decide they want to work together, nothing will get better.

It is intellectually dishonest to state that both sides need to do something, then continue to only blame the other side and never accept "your side" has fault.

The demon cats have been targeting trump since before he took office.

I certainly hope you don't think that Trump has been hounded "just" because he is a republican, there is a reason he is hounded, and he deserve every bit of it. It should be quite obviously....I mean hell, have you ever seen me so against one particular politician before? THERE IS A REASON!

They refuse to even allow any real investigation into any of the election irregularities, what did they think would happen?

If there is an accusation of wrong doing, one needs to prove it. They attempted to plead their case in court, about 60 times, but they forgot one thing, evidence. If it existed, they had the opportunity to present it. That ship has sailed. The office and the country cannot just sit and wait for an indefinite amount of time.

[Aussie Challenger]

I used to spend every holiday in America and consider it my second home, almost moved a few years back.
Your biased favorite channel cnn is famous for lying, remember their report on the 'peaceful protest' in Portland while clearly in the background the viewers could see buildings and cars alight.
You KThaxton are a product of indoctrination that has been building for over the last 50 years, I feel sorry for you as you really didn't stand a chance with what the education system has been feeding socialist policys in every free country.

[Elwenil]

Seems only one side claims to not be at fault and is doing everything they can to push blame, point fingers and silence any opposition.

[PowerWagonPete]

Attempting to justify and rationalize what happened there, just makes you an asshole.

All I said was absolutely no justification which appears to be very true, Kendall, and I'm a dick, not an asshole.    

[KThaxton]

Your biased favorite channel cnn is famous for lying, remember their report on the 'peaceful protest' in Portland while clearly in the background the viewers could see buildings and cars alight.

I do not remember that because CNN is not my favorite channel. You know that link I shared in either this thread or the other to show how batshit crazy (at least) one of the sources was that Pete shared? That site also explains how CNN is left leaning. I understand this, which is why I am cautious with all news sources and more so with others. I can admit this. I'm sure you would deny deny deny whatever they say about your favorite news sources.

One thing I did notice there when viewing the most popular news sources....the ones that were labeled as being right leaning, were by far, more likely to include false news reporting, fake news, pseudoscience, conspiracy theories etc. The left leaning ones tended to more often (but not exclusively mind you) just present the left side/polices in a more favorable light.
What I am getting at, is that from my observation both in day to day interaction on the net, and what the mediafactcheck site says, is that there are FAR more, and far worse (fake news, lies etc) biased right leaning sites out there than biased left leaning sites.

[KThaxton]

All I said was absolutely no justification which appears to be very true, Kendall,

Unless of course the rules of engagement I heard briefly about are true.....as far as when deadly force should be used when an officer is directly responsible for protecting specific individual(s) and those individuals are in danger. But again, as an adult, I will not draw my own conclusions until I know more about the details (I know! Weird right?).

and I'm a dick, not an asshole.   

Let's compromise, Dickhole. 

[SuperBurban]

It is intellectually dishonest to state that both sides need to do something, then continue to only blame the other side and never accept "your side" has fault.

Only one side has been continuously attacking the other side. Yes, I blame the demon cats, and the complacent media for 99% of the problems over the last 30 years.

I certainly hope you don't think that Trump has been hounded "just" because he is a republican, there is a reason he is hounded, and he deserve every bit of it. It should be quite obviously....I mean hell, have you ever seen me so against one particular politician before?

I am not going to go back and take score, but I do not recall you as being for any republican president. I have never been a fan of trumps, but I doubt there is anybody ever in history that could take the constant harassment that he has, and not break.

THERE IS A REASON!

Yes, you believe the mass media, and always will.  Have you researched, and listened to all of what trump said last week? what all the speakers said at the rally? Have you looked into why the capital police were not prepared? When the FBI has reported several times that they expected bad actors to be present.  Why the same info was not given to the whitehouse? You claim to be non biased, but you are worse then anybody here.

If there is an accusation of wrong doing, one needs to prove it. They attempted to plead their case in court, about 60 times, but they forgot one thing, evidence. If it existed, they had the opportunity to present it. That ship has sailed. The office and the country cannot just sit and wait for an indefinite amount of time.

Hard to do when the evidence is impossible to get to. They have plenty of affidavits, videos, and other evidence. How many cases were turned down for lack of standing? oh yes, all of them. Are you going to ever answer why you think the demon cats spent so much effort in blocking all the investigations?

[PowerWagonPete]

Unless of course the rules of engagement I heard briefly about are true.....as far as when deadly force should be used when an officer is directly responsible for protecting specific individual(s) and those individuals are in danger. But again, as an adult, I will not draw my own conclusions until I know more about the details (I know! Weird right?).

Let's compromise, Dickhole. 

You do seem to draw a lot of conclusions based upon compromised teevee evidence, Kendall.  I can also say the agent shoots left-handed just like I do which is why he didn't miss.   

[SuperBurban]

If the FBI report is true, then the president is not the one that pushed the peaceful protesters over the edge. Bad actors showed up intent on causing harm, not much anybody could say that would have changed their minds. The big question that needs to be answered, is Why was the Capital police not prepared? They initially claimed they did not expect any violence, we now know that to be wrong. We also know that requests for extra help were denied by the House & Senate Sergeant at Arms, the Capital police chiefs boss, were turned down. Even that day, they were denied. Like I said when it was going down, it was a setup.

[KThaxton]

Only one side has been continuously attacking the other side.

Really? You honestly believe that? This is an example of the blinders of a bias. I see both sides attack each other all the time.

I am not going to go back and take score, but I do not recall you as being for any republican president.

I liked Romney, I have not been a fanboy of anyone else really (cue Pete's decade long diatribe about Romney). I have never been a fanboy of a democrat, but this time, ANY candidate looks good compared to Trump. Also, I have never despised a presidential candidate on either side as much as I despise Trump (Hillary was close). I usually liked the republican candidate just a bit more than their opponent.

Have you researched, and listened to all of what trump said last week?

Every thing that helped me draw my conclusions about Trump came directly from something he said or did.

Have you looked into why the capital police were not prepared?

I have not, how could I? I'm not sure what you think I do for a living but I am not in a position to investigate the Capitol Police. That said, I WILL NOT default to a conspiracy theory. That is just asinine.

You claim to be non biased, but you are worse then anybody here.

LOL, that's funny, especially when there is plenty of evidence that I will bash and praise either side as needed, something you guys will never do. Seriously, think about what you are saying....you guys are rationalizing what happened at the Capitol!...even some staunch republicans are condemning it and what led up to it. If it was democrats doing that, or my other example of a democrat doing the shit that Trump has been doing to try and bypass the election, you guys would lose your shit. But it's Trump, it's ok.

Hard to do when the evidence is impossible to get to. They have plenty of affidavits, videos, and other evidence.

Uhm, no. If the evidence is hard to get to, how do they know it happened? Think about it. Trump said it himself as he was setting you guys up for the last six months to accept a fraudulent election...."the only  way I could lose  is if they cheat". Is that rational? No, it is not.

How many cases were turned down for lack of standing? oh yes, all of them.

Nope, not even close. Where do you guys get this shit? They were "heard" in 50+ courts.....they just couldn't produce this mythical evidence.

[PowerWagonPete]

Yeppers, it's definitely looking like there were quite a few professional leftist agitators involved...

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/01/another-leftist-arrested-capital-protest-identified-democrat-34-year-old-son-new-york-judge/   

[KThaxton]

Lol...the bias is strong with that site.....you should never, ever mock MSM if you read that kind of shit!

"Another violent leftist was arrested on Wednesday for partaking in the US Capital protest turned Antifa riot."

So, they found some lefties, and now it's an "antifa riot"? 

You know, there were many, many known righties there too right? I mean, a few leftists present does not make it any less shitty.

[Mopar572]

Yeppers, it's definitely looking like there were quite a few professional leftist agitators involved...

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/01/another-leftist-arrested-capital-protest-identified-democrat-34-year-old-son-new-york-judge/   

Is that Harry Potter?

[KThaxton]

Harry Potter is antifa, everyone knows this.......it was on Qanon.

[dodge82273]

na, the golden circle still exists , there's after another president ...... 

[PowerWagonPete]

Is that Harry Potter?

Harry Potter is antifa, everyone knows this.......it was on Qanon.

Yeah, he's all almost all grown up now...

https://www.valleynewslive.com/2021/01/12/fbi-arrests-fur-wearing-nyc-man-on-capitol-riot-charges/   

[KThaxton]

https://www.valleynewslive.com/2021/01/12/fbi-arrests-fur-wearing-nyc-man-on-capitol-riot-charges/   

Ya know, that got me thinking......I just read how that article ended with it being reported that he is a registered democrat, is that the only thing that gets him dubbed "antifa"? Also, I am a registered republican, what kind of conspiracies can you all come up with to describe my rantings here? Am I a mole?

If I partook in a violent BLM riot, and they found out later I was registered republican, could the democrats use me to rationalize what the rest of the violent mob did to make it "ok" or pass blame to the republicans? Just curious.

[PowerWagonPete]

Ya know, that got me thinking......I just read how that article ended with it being reported that he is a registered democrat...

That's a start, Kendall.  I like the way they buried that little factoid at the end of the article.  I suppose you're not acquainted with the inverted pyramid concept as it pertains to "journalism" and how it can be used to steer the narrative away from the complete truth and take your personal opinions right along with it...

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=inverted+pyramid+journalism&t=h_&ia=web   

[KThaxton]

That's a start, Kendall.  I like the way they buried that little factoid at the end of the article.  I suppose you're not acquainted with the inverted pyramid concept as it pertains to "journalism" and how it can be used to steer the narrative away from the complete truth and take your personal opinions right along with it...

Lol! "buried it"? You clowns kill me. If they didn't want that information known, they could have just left it out of the article all together couldn't they? Sheesh. 

[PowerWagonPete]

Lol! "buried it"? You clowns kill me. If they didn't want that information known, they could have just left it out of the article all together couldn't they? Sheesh. 

Most folks won't get that far down before they move on to something else, Kendall.  They'd teach you that if you were on your high school's newspaper staff, you know.  LOL   

[KThaxton]

I'll say again.....if they didn't want that information shared, they could just leave it out of the article, instead of "burying" it as you so paranoidially (just made that word up) put it.

While you may think it is THE most important part of that article, it really isn't. It doesn't matter what party he claims to belong to, he's a shithead and luckily he got busted.....or is he a patriot too now?

[PowerWagonPete]

I'll say again.....if they didn't want that information shared, they could just leave it out of the article, instead of "burying" it as you so paranoidially (just made that word up) put it.

While you may think it is THE most important part of that article, it really isn't. It doesn't matter what party he claims to belong to, he's a shithead and luckily he got busted.....or is he a patriot too now?

He's a Democrat-registered professional leftist agitator dressed up as a crazed Trump supporter who hangs out with another likely Democrat-registered professional leftist agitator dressed up as a racist Trump supporter and looks like Harry Potter.   

[KThaxton]

Curious......do you take issue with the actual rightist Trump supporters that partook in riotous behavior? It sure seems like you (and others) are trying to minimize it or find others to blame.

[PowerWagonPete]

Curious......do you take issue with the actual rightist Trump supporters that partook in riotous behavior? It sure seems like you (and others) are trying to minimize it or find others to blame.

No Kendall, I just know what's really going on and you don't...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agent_provocateur   

[PowerWagonPete]

Looks like they got the now-confirmed Democrat-registered professional leftist agitator dressed up like a racist Trump supporter who doesn't look like Harry Potter...

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/01/protester-confederate-flag-us-capitol-arrested-delaware/   

[mttaff]

Are they arresting everybody that was in the capital building? I see the media publish pictures and write articles on all the Trump supporters that were in there and doing obviously stupid stuff like messing with our office that we provide for Pelosi, or smashing doors, but what about the agitators who say they were just there to report, even though their videos obviously show them doing more than that? Will they charge every single person seen in a video inside the building with the exact same crimes? Seems like the right thing to do as long as everybody is treated equally.
I thought it was kindof interesting that right before the lady got shot,  down the hall behind the shooting officer,  office people were just kindof watching,  nobody seemed too scared.

[SuperBurban]

The media and a ton of internet sluths are identifying as many as they can, and harassing their employers into firing the individuals. The FBI has over 500 cases going on individuals identified, and have already made over 100 arrests, to include searching the homes, and confiscating all computers, phones, and cameras, along with boxes of papers. To compare, they said with all the summers peaceful protests, yielded under 20 arrests.

[RXT]

Hey Pete
 
    Does it bother you as it does with me? I mean if Trump supporters raided the Capital because Donald Trump told them to, why didn't Trump at least wait until after the results of the objections, to the slate of electors in the contested states? He was counting on those objections to change the results of the election and it never got that far. Instead, as a result of the break in, the majority of Vichy republicans folded like a to go box and refused objecting accepting the electors presented to them by the states in question. Another words the entire fiasco benefitted Biden...again. If Trump instigated the break in, wouldn't you think it would have come AFTER they counted the electoral votes first and then break in if it failed, to voice their anger???

Ed

[SuperBurban]

I do not think the protesters, or Trump ever planned, or expected them to get inside the building. Like I said that day, it looks to be a setup. There is no way that the Capital police would have let a crowed like that in on an ordinary day. At first, they claimed that they expected the crowd to be peaceful, but the FBI, and NYPD have both said they reported otherwise. Now the capital police are saying they asked for extra help prior to that day, but were turned down. They need to investigate, and see who it was that denied the extra help, and ordered the Capital Police to let the demonstrators access to the building. Unfortunately, I bet they will never make the result public. They have already started with blaming the individual officers. I find it hard to believe that individual officers with 15 plus years of service, would just let a crowd of protesters in.

Why would they do it? Take a look at how they are playing it up, and breaking down the republican support. Look at all the republicans they are trying to toss out (Over ride the will of the voters), How many of those are republicans in a state with a democrat governor? I know of at least 1, our elected house representative, Lauren Boebert. I know our governor would jump on the chance to nominate a demon cat to replace her.

[RXT]

Of course it was a set up, George. A nice, convenient excuse to villanize Trump supporters and impeach, and attempt to remove the president with only a week left in office. In fact too convenient! What is Nancy and the Demon rats afraid of huh? What is it that they know, that we don't know? Are they afraid of a "Trump card"?? They can't possibly be worrying about Trump running in 2024, they own the magic voting machine which was proven to work....Only time will tell.

“The whole secret lies in confusing the enemy, so that he cannot fathom our real intent.” 
                                          -Sun Tzu

Ed

[PowerWagonPete]

Hey Pete
 
Does it bother you as it does with me? I mean if Trump supporters raided the Capital because Donald Trump told them to, why didn't Trump at least wait until after the results of the objections, to the slate of electors in the contested states? He was counting on those objections to change the results of the election and it never got that far. Instead, as a result of the break in, the majority of Vichy republicans folded like a to go box and refused objecting accepting the electors presented to them by the states in question. Another words the entire fiasco benefitted Biden...again. If Trump instigated the break in, wouldn't you think it would have come AFTER they counted the electoral votes first and then break in if it failed, to voice their anger???

At the moment, I'm worried about what sort of stunts they're going to pull now in order to grab our guns, Ed.  A Democrat-registered professional leftist agitator dressed up as a militia-type Trump supporter taking potshots at Cheat-O Joe will get the pre-planned reaction and solution phases going.  If you think about all this logically from a totalitarian point-of-view, that's the next step, disarmament.   

[SuperBurban]

New York is considering making bullet proof vests illegal to own. A first step in making ordinary things illegal, and ordinary citizens into felons.

Did you catch the news portraying Veterans that attended the fun, as real bad villains?

[dodge82273]

new york also has sued the nra for breach of non-profit , so the emperor is doing all he can in regards to  the enslavement of his citizens , inc laws to allow enforcement of commands  ............. putting all but large business out of business is part of it , party controlled/run  business.... same as China .  Think its all too preposterous ? look at the golden circle from the 1860's and its attempt at biologically killing Lincoln ... planned and done over  150 years ago . Remember China has long had a "population" "problem" so killing off the elderly and weak is acceptable to its plan .