Topic: Distributed Election Fraud

[PowerWagonPete]

A little black box voting machine reprogramming here, some mail-in ballot harvesting there.  Concentrate on various key swing states.  Block out the windows so no one can observe the count.  Even get a few postal workers involved...

Anyway, you get the idea.   

[RamChargerCentral]

[SuperBurban]

No Pete, fill me in. Not like you to with hold your opinion.

[mopar65pa]

Voter fraud is rampant! 

[Aussie Challenger]

You need to add another, it is rather a big problem when most of the problem votes were cast on machines that are controlled or owned by the democraps, Pelosi, Feinstien to name 2, I haven't checked where these are but soros owns a lot of the voting machines as well.
Texas rejected these problem machines due to security issues, why is it that the democraps don't really care about security issues??, only Republicans.

[SuperBurban]

Two good articles.

https://www.dailysignal.com/2020/11/09/4-things-to-know-about-voting-machine-company-thats-causing-stir/?utm_source=TDS_Email&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Top5&mkt_tok=eyJpIjoiTVRJeU9EaGlZV1V5WlRRNSIsInQiOiI1b2JTQWdvUUNJSEloM2hzdmxlUkVkeUtSOGFTbTVGcnN0RWhRRlR3T3lLYzZIUm56d24xV01pSjBGNmc4Q21kTDdzcGc0M1NnU1h2eExPXC91TmFCVzllVGxZMWVpczNGU2dObVZOeXRQWERmTkVibGcwQ0JlYkU4cU15bGFka2YifQ%3D%3D

https://www.dailysignal.com/2020/11/06/a-pro-bono-lawyer-for-trump-campaign-shares-what-he-saw-in-pennsylvania/?utm_source=TDS_Email&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Top5&mkt_tok=eyJpIjoiTVRJeU9EaGlZV1V5WlRRNSIsInQiOiI1b2JTQWdvUUNJSEloM2hzdmxlUkVkeUtSOGFTbTVGcnN0RWhRRlR3T3lLYzZIUm56d24xV01pSjBGNmc4Q21kTDdzcGc0M1NnU1h2eExPXC91TmFCVzllVGxZMWVpczNGU2dObVZOeXRQWERmTkVibGcwQ0JlYkU4cU15bGFka2YifQ%3D%3D

[Aussie Challenger]

Two very good articles SuperBurban, the context was repeated openly in many other jurisdictions as well.
No wonder the democraps were so confident of winning and now demanding that President Trump concede before more devious wrong doings come to light.

[SuperBurban]

The problem is the way the election counts are done, there is no way to undue the damage, so even the supreme court will at most say yes we agree it was wrong, but there is no way to redress the wrongs. Thats why they do not want to get involved until after the counts are certified. Then they can just say the lawsuit is moot, and not hear it.

Even if one could prove 20,000 votes were fraudulently cast, there is no way any more to identify which 20,000.

This one is likely lost, but we need to push for more standardization as to what pole watchers can and cannot do. There is many places here that do voting right, and simple. there is nothing wrong with mail in ballots, it is in how they are handled after they get in. Here, 90% of the county gets their ballots in the mail, and if you go in on election day, it is the same ballot. now we have a hard copy of every ballot, and they can be run through the scanning machines as batches several times to verify each batch is counted correctly. How many times do people go into a voting booth, and cast ballots for local officials who they have no idea of who they are, or what they stand for. With a mail ballot, you can sit down and take your time finding out who they are. Simple cheap, and very effective. now if only we could get separated from Denver.

[Aussie Challenger]

We here in Australia have compulsory voting, every name is on a role so when you go in to vote you are checked off. If you vote twice it is easily picked up even though some people do this using someone else s name but the number is very small. We do have absentee voting, that has to be requested and there are checks made to keep this honest.
When a person moves to another area or state, when they register their name it is automatically removed from any previous role, very simple and safe.
The biggest problem which is universal, is the dead people who rise up and vote, our Labor Party (socialists) perfected this back in the '60's but have now been reigned in drastically so generally is not a major problem now.
When one party like your democraps push for the removal of any checks as to the identity of a voter then you can bet they have multiple persons ready to take advantage of this.
In 2016 the democraps were caught out busing people around so they could vote multiple times in different Counties and States. Remember the democraps were pushing for mail in voting long before the Chinese Virus became an issue.
In a free society the right to vote should be honored, remember there are many countries where the people are deigned this basic right. Once a vote is cast nobody really knows which way or who cast that vote.
I suppose that the democraps will now push for the shredding of all voter cards once they have been scanned through a machine making sure there is no paper trail to follow.
I feel for you my American Cousins as I have traveled extensively through your great country, what has been happening in this election is a disgrace.
RIP Freedom

[SuperBurban]

I suppose that the democraps will now push for the shredding of all voter cards once they have been scanned through a machine making sure there is no paper trail to follow.

That is done in many places, once the vote is certified, or sooner. Every state makes their own rules, A mistake they made in our Constitution. Once the person voted, or the mail in ballot is opened, there is no way to tie the vote to the voter. So all they theoretically have is a record of who voted, and the votes. two separate lists. They make sure there is no easy way to total up the list of people who voted, I bet if they did, the numbers would be astonishingly different.

I grew up in the Chicago area, every voting cycle, is was common to hear the news saying some group audited the roles, and found tons of dead people voted. Even when identified, they were not removed from the roles.

Here our Social Security system does a good job of tracking when folks die. Our county recorder runs those roles every week, to purge the deceased from the roles.

[PowerWagonPete]

Wisconsin allegedly had a whopping 90% voter turnout rate...   

https://www.joecheated.com/   

[RXT]

The problem is the way the election counts are done, there is no way to undue the damage, so even the supreme court will at most say yes we agree it was wrong, but there is no way to redress the wrongs.....

Even if one could prove 20,000 votes were fraudulently cast, there is no way any more to identify which 20,000.

There is a way to redress the wrongs. The supreme court can nullify the results if they can't separate the legal and illegal ballots. That can result in a re-vote either at a county level or even at a state level. The very existence of illegal ballots especially in such large numbers is a good indicator of rampant voter fraud which must be addressed.

Ed

[dodge82273]

I'm betting there could be 140% voter turn out , if necessary ..... when the fellow in charge of the place pleads guilty to accepting a bribe ,from a politico ,   well , there's a "problem " fer sure .... ya think ? 

[PowerWagonPete]

The very existence of illegal ballots especially in such large numbers is a good indicator of rampant voter fraud which must be addressed.

I agree, Ed.  This needs to be stopped right now or we'll all be voting Democrat even before we're dead.   

[SuperBurban]

There is a way to redress the wrongs. The supreme court can nullify the results if they can't separate the legal and illegal ballots. That can result in a re-vote either at a county level or even at a state level. The very existence of illegal ballots especially in such large numbers is a good indicator of rampant voter fraud which must be addressed.

Ed

You are right, that is a possible solution, but I do not forsee any court using it in our life time. Looks like they will not even look at any of the issues until after the votes are certified, Same with the DOJ, if then. Keep your eyes closed, you will not see any problems.

[KThaxton]

Gentlemen.....If you indeed have evidence of widespread voter fraud (actual evidence, not internet myth that has been repeated so often over a decade that one assumes it must be true...), by all means, provide it Trumps legal team, because they apparently have no evidence and the cases are getting thrown out. The so called "evidence" that has been presented so far, must be absolutely embarrassing for his team to bring up in court.

[SuperBurban]

Thats part of the vicious cycle, you need the lawsuit so you can depose those in power, or get access to the records, but the judge tosses the lawsuit even when they have several sworn witnesses to start with. Our system is designed to hide the truth.

[KThaxton]

But have you heard some of the "evidence" his team has brought up? Asinine!

In one case, the whole lawsuit was based on "there were some military ballots that voted for Biden, No serviceman would vote for Biden". WTF?

Or, the whole nonsense in PA, where they were claiming observers were not allowed in. When asked by the judge if indeed NO observers were allowed, the attorney responded "there were a non-zero number of observers allowed". At which point the judge said, "so what's your problem?".

Do you guys really not see the insanity of this whole thing? Trump planted the seed of fraud (with no evidence) months ago and has been watering it ever since. All his followers blindly accept what he says and marches with his orders....so to speak.

If there is real, actual evidence his team ought to present it. They haven't, because they can't, because it isn't there.

If you get away from the right wing media sources, you see that the rest of the country, the rest of the world, feel like they are watching a narcissist who's never lost anything in his life, throw a tantrum because he doesn't know how to deal with it.

Is it so hard to believe that he could legitimately lose? He and his base think that the ONLY way he can lose is by fraud. Isn't that idiotic?

Remember there are a lot of people like me.....who typically lean conservative in the voting booth, but cannot bring themselves to vote for him, combine that with a near 100% of democrats NOT voting for him, it is quite easy to see how he could lose. Easy.

[SuperBurban]

Same thing, stick with left wing sources, and thats all you will find. How about we all look for a real news report covering the real aspect of the news. Too ad they are gone.

[KThaxton]

The problem is....many of you assume that if a source is not right biased...it must be left biased, so you'll never know what is really going on in the world.

I had a guy on FB tell me the other day that there are only a very small number of people who don't like Trump. I laughed my ass off at that one. He is the victim of right wing media and right wing echo chambers.

[712edf]

I have no idea if "fraud" occurred. I suspect that there are imperfections in our voting system that could lead to discrepancies or inconsistencies, meaning any recount may not exactly match the original tally.

I suppose that since states may not have identical voting methods this might lead to variances.

I would not put it past EITHER party to cheat.

I'm not surprised that Biden won the popular vote. There are that damn many people who either want socialism, don't think it'll happen, or just hate Trump enough to vote for for him.

I did notice that more N Carolina residents voted than Georgia residents, even though Georgia has a larger population.

Not sure if a "civil war" breaks out whether our military is behind Biden enough to attack our own citizenry, but I damn sure have no problem shooting back.

Bucky

[712edf]

Georgia, Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania & Arizona are the states that flipped for Biden (none flipped for Trump).

Trump was leading in those states on election night. Amazing comeback for team Blue.

Bucky

[mopar65pa]

Georgia, Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania & Arizona are the states that flipped for Biden (none flipped for Trump).

Trump was leading in those states on election night. Amazing comeback for team Blue.

Bucky

And after voting hrs were done.

The problem is....many of you assume that if a source is not right biased...it must be left biased, so you'll never know what is really going on in the world.

I had a guy on FB tell me the other day that there are only a very small number of people who don't like Trump. I laughed my ass off at that one. He is the victim of right wing media and right wing echo chambers.

I used to be on sites for both parties so I could get the other side's opinion. But all I was reading was far left or far right. I have not been able to find a non-bias site yet. So what do you do? Sift through it all and try to find the truth? I have better things to do.

[RXT]

Georgia, Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania & Arizona are the states that flipped for Biden (none flipped for Trump).

Trump was leading in those states on election night. Amazing comeback for team Blue.

Bucky

And what about down ticket? How was it that the Republicans had a great night in every other election? By all accounts it was a red wave, not the blue wave that was predicted. Speaking of down ballot, how was it that ballots were found in the thousands that were only marked for Biden? Not a single one for Trump, and absolutely no other votes made on the ticket. And what is this Dominion thing? But it's not evidence! When this is concluded it will be Trump who will be placing his hand on the Bible and Biden will have his hands in cuffs.

Ed

Ed

[dodge82273]

I'm thinking that when an election official gets charged with taking a bribe , from a democrat politician  , THEN pleads guilty to the charge , in court . there IS the proof .   If a car thief gets caught and pleads guilty to auto theft, a car was stolen no?

[mopar65pa]

I'm thinking that when an election official gets charged with taking a bribe , from a democrat politician  , THEN pleads guilty to the charge , in court . there IS the proof .   If a car thief gets caught and pleads guilty to auto theft, a car was stolen no?

Yep!

[PowerWagonPete]

So Kendall, you want evidence, huh?

If we go by Nancy Pelosi-led House of Representatives Russian collusion hoax impeachment standards, we don't need any.   

[RXT]

So Kendall, you want evidence, huh?

If we go by Nancy Pelosi-led House of Representatives Russian collusion hoax impeachment standards, we don't need any.   

You know how this will go. We can make a list of the evidence thats been made public, Kendal will claim that none of it is evidence and round and round we go. I'm satisfied to wait this out, because at the end of the day, President Trump will be reelected.

Ed   

[PowerWagonPete]

I'm waiting to see what the PA legislature does, Ed.  They passed the mail-in law which was then liberalized by the courts.   

I just find it odd that so many lefties came out of the woodwork only to vote for a far-less-than-exciting entrenched establishment hack who's old and feeble enough to be put in front of a death panel.   

[SuperBurban]

I just find it odd that so many lefties came out of the woodwork only to vote for a far-less-than-exciting entrenched establishment hack who's old and feeble enough to be put in front of a death panel.   

Not odd at all, when the establishment is also running the polling places in the big cities, they can easily make sure everyone got out and voted, on paper at least. Just like the Military, if the paperwork does not say something was inspected, then it was not inspected, but if the paperwork says it was, then it has been inspected. At the end of the day, you look at how many did not show up, and you can add that many votes, and mark them as having voted. 

The lefts position was anybody but Trump, they had to prevent the draining of the swamp, keep the old rules in place, and continue the coverups. Restore the old order.

[KThaxton]

And after voting hrs were done.

Trump was leading in those states on election night. Amazing comeback for team Blue.

I am still baffled that there are people that do not understand what happened. It was well known well before the election that this is how it would play out.

Trump encouraged his supports to vote in person. Biden supporters are far more likely (and were) to do mail in voting (accepting that COVID is real is just one reason).

Therefore, mail in ballots take longer to count, further, states like PA have laws that prevent them from counting early (mail in) ballots until election day, some counties even planned on starting those the day after the election. There is no secret here, no surprises, no mystery......had y'all been paying attention, you would have expected this is how it would play out...just like the rest of us did.

I'm waiting to see what the PA legislature does, Ed.  They passed the mail-in law which was then liberalized by the courts.   

See, Pete knows (well, kinda).

You know how this will go. We can make a list of the evidence thats been made public, Kendal will claim that none of it is evidence and round and round we go.

Well, that is often how it goes. If the evidence you have, is actual evidence (not repeated internet lore that y'all gobble up and accept because if fits your world view) then why hasn't Trump's team utilized it yet? For the love of God's chosen one....share the evidence with his team because for some reason....they do not have it.

I'm satisfied to wait this out, because at the end of the day, President Trump will be reelected.

Ed   

Sorry man, you are as delusional as the narcissist in chief. Both quotes are once again, proof of how reality escapes you when you stick to biased news sources and the echo chambers of the world. Almost all of his cases have been dismissed, I dare say nearly laughed out of court.

[KThaxton]

So what do you do? Sift through it all and try to find the truth? I have better things to do.

Lol, not enough time for the truth eh? 

[712edf]

I am neither baffled nor surprised.

And this goes back months, even years, when Dems were in a ruckus over voter ID issues.

I told y'all months ago assassinations used to be the norm for swamp draining & changing of the guard. But we are too civilized to end the tug-o-war, and too stupid to stop buying Chinese made products from Amazon & Walmart.

Bucky

[dodge82273]

agreed .  yeah ya test positive for a sickness , but have no symptoms ..... huh ?

[RXT]

I am still baffled that there are people that do not understand what happened. It was well known well before the election that this is how it would play out.

Thats called conditioning. We Trump supporters knew before the election that the Libs were intending to steal the election, and one of those ways was to extend the count.....

Therefore, mail in ballots take longer to count, further, states like PA have laws that prevent them from counting early (mail in) ballots until election day, some counties even planned on starting those the day after the election. There is no secret here, no surprises, no mystery......had y'all been paying attention, you would have expected this is how it would play out...just like the rest of us did.

Except one thing, it was totally illegal. According to PA law, the only entity to alter election laws was the legislator and that didn't happen when mail in votes were approved or the extension to count....And why do they need extra days to count? Well if you're trying to steal an election, you need to know how many votes you are short and have time to make more for your candidate to overcome the deficit, and that requires an extension past election day. This will be one of those "evidences" your media claims doesn't exist. That illegality of a decree allowing votes to be counted after election day. Oh yeah one more thing. Why is it that states like Florida, Texas, NY, and even Cali, all having mail in ballots and even larger populations than PA can count every vote by election night, but not PA??

Sorry man, you are as delusional as the narcissist in chief. Both quotes are once again, proof of how reality escapes you when you stick to biased news sources and the echo chambers of the world. Almost all of his cases have been dismissed, I dare say nearly laughed out of court.

Lets see. 
The Democrat party, was the party of slavery
The Democrat party, was the party of fighting a war to retain slavery
The Democrat party, was the party of racism
The Democrat party, was the party that founded the KKK
The Democrat party, was the party to establish and enforce Jim Crow laws
The Democrat party, is the party of socialism
The Democrat party, is the party of ANTIFA and BLM, the modern day Brown shirts and KKK
The Democrat party has never been right about anything, on the wrong side of history and corrupt to the core

So my question to you is with that track record why are you supporting them? Why do you believe their media? Why do you indirectly side with people who beat up others simply for not agreeing? Biden is corrupt and compromised, and so is the entire Democrat party and this election is going to expose it all

If you think I am delusional, then you'll probably love my predictions. Joe Biden will never become president, the election fraud will be exposed and Donald J Trump will remain in office. And theres going to be massive blowback and of course your media won't cover it. Sure, there will be rioting in the streets with ANTIFA and BLM showing up in mass, but theres also going to be a bunch of indictments. I would suspect a few Democrat politicians will be going to jail along with several Democrat election officials.

And when it happens, and it will happen! Ask yourself, and be honest with yourself, how did you not see it? I'll give you the clue now, so you can meditate on it till it happens. Your media has a stake in the game. They've been lying to you and they are as corrupt as the Democrat machine, and this election will expose that in ways that will rock your world. Oh! And I'll be here or maybe I'll start a new thread after it comes to pass, to remind you of it. But I'm hopeful you'll see the truth, leave that party and perhaps join us.

Ed

[SuperBurban]

How long does it take to scan 50,000 ballots, a million? Every picture of a counting area, there is lots of folks taking a minute or more looking at ballots that are designed to be scanned, some are even making marks on the ballots, some are sorting them for what ever reason. Looks like the same ballots we have here, the sorting is simple. If the signature on the ballot envelope, then they mark of the person as voted, and it goes into a box. The next step the envelopes are opened, the ballots go into one pile, and the envelopes get put into a box. when they get a stack several inches high, they run the ballots through the scanner, and kept as a batch. The batches are run later through a second scanner to verify the same count. Each ballot has a random serial number in the bar code, but it is not tied to the individual voter, it is just so the computer will know if a ballot is photocopied, or somehow run through twice. Easy peasy, fairly secure, and posted so every one knows what happens after they vote. No need to cover up windows, block legal poll watchers, or any other shenanigans like we saw this time around.

[KThaxton]

Thats called conditioning. We Trump supporters knew before the election that the Libs were intending to steal the election, and one of those ways was to extend the count.....

Yes, you all were conditioned to expect no other result aside from a Trump win, or fraud. No other outcome. You really cannot fathom that there are a lot of non-dems who do not like Trump? That thought has not even entered your mind at all? 

Except one thing, it was totally illegal. According to PA law, the only entity to alter election laws was the legislator and that didn't happen when mail in votes were approved or the extension to count....And why do they need extra days to count? Well if you're trying to steal an election, you need to know how many votes you are short and have time to make more for your candidate to overcome the deficit, and that requires an extension past election day. This will be one of those "evidences" your media claims doesn't exist. That illegality of a decree allowing votes to be counted after election day.

It doesn't sound like it was illegal to me.....https://www.fox43.com/article/news/verify/verify-what-are-the-current-election-laws-in-pennsylvania/521-373c3b70-c719-4ddf-b4a7-e79dbd7991da

Also, your hypothesis (aka conspiracy theory) does not constitute evidence. 

Oh yeah one more thing. Why is it that states like Florida, Texas, NY, and even Cali, all having mail in ballots and even larger populations than PA can count every vote by election night, but not PA??

Well, I thought that was obvious...because they didn't make a law like PA did. 

Lets see. 
The Democrat party, was the party of slavery
The Democrat party, was the party of fighting a war to retain slavery
The Democrat party, was the party of racism
The Democrat party, was the party that founded the KKK
The Democrat party, was the party to establish and enforce Jim Crow laws
The Democrat party, is the party of socialism
The Democrat party, is the party of ANTIFA and BLM, the modern day Brown shirts and KKK
The Democrat party has never been right about anything, on the wrong side of history and corrupt to the core

So my question to you is with that track record why are you supporting them? Why do you believe their media? Why do you indirectly side with people who beat up others simply for not agreeing? Biden is corrupt and compromised, and so is the entire Democrat party and this election is going to expose it all

Oh boy, here we go....I don't like trump therefore I am in full support of the dems and their slavery/KKK ladened past? Asinine.

You see, you are now deflecting. None of that has to do with this discussion. Further evidence of how a bias blocks out reality and logic.

If you think I am delusional, then you'll probably love my predictions. Joe Biden will never become president, the election fraud will be exposed and Donald J Trump will remain in office. And theres going to be massive blowback and of course your media won't cover it.

All we need is the evidence.....when will that be produced? If I used your thought process and style, I would say it is taking so long because they have to manufacture it. 

But I'm hopeful you'll see the truth, leave that party and perhaps join us.

You see? you don't even know you are doing it! In your one-sided view of the world you think there are only two kinds of people in the world!

Remember, there are many people like me......slightly conservative, but with strong disdain for Trump. I am proof that Trump can logically lose an election.

[R!bcracker]

it has not come across my news feeds, has there been any analysis of the down ballot results of the suspicious votes?

[dodge82273]

ny only counted to 74% and oddly most county numbers went to the "side" that did not "win" .....

[RXT]

Yes, you all were conditioned to expect no other result aside from a Trump win, or fraud. No other outcome. You really cannot fathom that there are a lot of non-dems who do not like Trump? That thought has not even entered your mind at all? 

You were conditioned to believe Biden would win in the mail in ballots, not realizing that for that to happen, Dems would have to change the law (we contend illegally) to make it happen. The first was approving the mail in ballots in the first place, the second was extending the deadline beyond Nov 3rd when in person voting concluded. You and your liberal/socialist friends on the left welcomed this and set your excuses as if this was a common occurrence during elections. Further, PA had early voting, beginning as early as Sept 28th All legal ballots should have been ready to count by Nov 3rd. Many other states also had mail in ballots with larger populations and concluded their counts by the deadline. There is only one reason why the Dems wanted an extension, Not because they couldn't count ballots in PA, but so they could wait till the results came in then determine how many ballots they needed to flip the election results. Amazing how ballots spring up while everyone was asleep and they all happen to be for one candidate and be enough to flip the results. If this were legit, why weren't there Trump ballots mixed in with the Biden ballots? Are you going to try and tell us that 100% of a precinct voted Biden, and it just so happens that their ballots showed up at 4AM from the back of a Van?? Get real!

It doesn't sound like it was illegal to me.....https://www.fox43.com/article/news/verify/verify-what-are-the-current-election-laws-in-pennsylvania/521-373c3b70-c719-4ddf-b4a7-e79dbd7991da

Thats because you're biased;

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/pennsylvania-court-secretary-of-state-changed-deadline

https://static.foxnews.com/foxnews.com/content/uploads/2020/11/602-MD-2020-Order-Nov.-12.pdf

Well, I thought that was obvious...because they didn't make a law like PA did.

Exactly which law(s)? 

Oh boy, here we go....I don't like trump therefore I am in full support of the dems and their slavery/KKK ladened past? Asinine.

At least you didn't deny it. But funny how you fail to mention those other parts...you know? Like ANTIFA, BLM, Socialism. You may not like Trump, but you did vote for Biden and therefore in full support...Nice!

You see, you are now deflecting. None of that has to do with this discussion. Further evidence of how a bias blocks out reality and logic.

This is whats called putting things in context. You see, you are socialist biased and you probably think thats fine or you just didn't know it. But the socialists are liars and they are lying to you in the media and on liberal controlled platforms. I'm biased too, I'm Constitutionally biased.  And since this is the United States, and the Constitution is the law of our land, I can be so.

Your current argument of, show us the evidence?! That didn't come from you. It came from the people who are lying to you. Trying to deflect, because they themselves have a stake in this, they have a seat at the big socialist table. And if there is evidence and Trump wins, things will not so well for them

All we need is the evidence.....when will that be produced? If I used your thought process and style, I would say it is taking so long because they have to manufacture it. 

If you look, you'll find it. I'll give you a kick start in the right direction. Look up Dominion voting systems. Look at whose involved, who has a stake in the company, where it's been used before, what the results were when they were used. I'm betting you won't bother. You're already brainwashed to believe the media and their "No evidence" narrative. It will be people like you who will be broadsided the hardest. When it happens, remember I said, told you so.

You see? you don't even know you are doing it! In your one-sided view of the world you think there are only two kinds of people in the world!

Ever heard the term, "You're either with us, or against us"?? In this context, there ARE only two kinds of people

Remember, there are many people like me......slightly conservative, but with strong disdain for Trump. I am proof that Trump can logically lose an election.

Isn't it funny that somehow you can reconcile "slightly" conservative with socialism when in reality they are completely incompatible? I can believe you may have a slight identity crisis but there isn't enough of you to change the outcome of this election. If you voted for Joe Biden, and you aren't a socialist, you got played.
Now maybe Trump's personality is unlikeable to you, but he is a Conservative and he's been loyal to Conservative values aka the Constitution.

Ed

[KThaxton]

You were conditioned to believe Biden would win in the mail in ballots, not realizing that for that to happen, Dems would have to change the law (we contend illegally) to make it happen.

Uhm, no Biden was set to win mail in for the reasons I already stated. It was well known and well accepted that Trump encouraged his voters to do it in person, and Biden voters were more likely to mail them in....for many reasons.

The first was approving the mail in ballots in the first place,

What is your beef with mail in ballots? Here in Utah (conservative central) we've had the mail in option for more than a decade.

the second was extending the deadline beyond Nov 3rd when in person voting concluded.

This accommodates the challenges imposed by COVID. Why are you so against everyone being able to vote?

Further, PA had early voting, beginning as early as Sept 28th All legal ballots should have been ready to count by Nov 3rd.

Per the law, they weren't able to do anything with those ballots until November 3rd.

There is only one reason why the Dems wanted an extension, Not because they couldn't count ballots in PA, but so they could wait till the results came in then determine how many ballots they needed to flip the election results.

This is where you are making shit up to fill in the gaps. Pssssst, this is not evidence!

Amazing how ballots spring up while everyone was asleep

Lol.....I heard this type of comment on a local news station comment section.....I thought it was dumb then too.

and they all happen to be for one candidate and be enough to flip the results.

Again because trump voters largely voted in person. Further, in PA, the larger counties tend to be pro Biden and it takes longer to count their votes than the rural counties. Therefore, as predicted, as mail in ballots were counted, they would overwhelming be for Biden. Math!

If this were legit, why weren't there Trump ballots mixed in with the Biden ballots? Are you going to try and tell us that 100% of a precinct voted Biden,

Uhm, where did you get the idea that every single mail in ballot was for Biden?

and it just so happens that their ballots showed up at 4AM from the back of a Van?? Get real!

Sounds like a conspiracy theory!

Exactly which law(s)? 

You can look up the exact law if you like, but it is reference here:


https://www.npr.org/2020/11/04/931136905/we-ll-be-working-24-hours-vote-counting-to-continue-through-the-week
In most states, election officials could start the arduous process that goes into counting mail votes many days before Election Day, but in Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania, officials had their hands tied by state laws that did not allow for such preparation.

At least you didn't deny it. But funny how you fail to mention those other parts...you know? Like ANTIFA, BLM, Socialism. You may not like Trump, but you did vote for Biden and therefore in full support...Nice!

I'm not playing your little game, you can defend your side by attacking the other if you like, but as an adult, I recognize that as childish behavior, so....you can talk to yourself on that one.

This is whats called putting things in context. You see, you are socialist biased and you probably think thats fine or you just didn't know it. But the socialists are liars and they are lying to you in the media and on liberal controlled platforms. I'm biased too, I'm Constitutionally biased.  And since this is the United States, and the Constitution is the law of our land, I can be so.

More biased blabber.

Your current argument of, show us the evidence?! That didn't come from you. It came from the people who are lying to you.

Bullshit! If you know anything about me you know I require evidence for outlandish claims.
Honestly, how do you reconcile this in your head? You think I am being lied to, you guaranteed Trump would win.....yet there is NOTHING that demonstrates that is the case! His lawsuits keep getting thrown out, some of them (just today) Trumps team retracted! What world are you living in?
I'll say again, if there is all of this evidence of fraud, why on earth is his legal team not using it? Think about that carefully.

If you look, you'll find it. I'll give you a kick start in the right direction.

So, are Trump's attorneys just not looking for it? Makes perfect sense. 

Look up Dominion voting systems. Look at whose involved, who has a stake in the company, where it's been used before, what the results were when they were used. I'm betting you won't bother. You're already brainwashed to believe the media and their "No evidence" narrative. It will be people like you who will be broadsided the hardest. When it happens, remember I said, told you so.

Well, call it a narrative if you like, but if there is no evidence, there is no evidence.

Ever heard the term, "You're either with us, or against us"??

Yep, and it's asinine.

In this context, there ARE only two kinds of people

Perfect example of the destructive us vs them stupidity....this is the problem in this country. People with this mentality ARE THE PROBLEM WITH THIS COUNTRY!

[RXT]

Uhm, no Biden was set to win mail in for the reasons I already stated. It was well known and well accepted that Trump encouraged his voters to do it in person, and Biden voters were more likely to mail them in....for many reasons.

You really don't know how many mail in ballots went to Biden and how many went to Trump, but it wouldn't be safe to assume ALL mail in ballots went to only Biden, while ALL in person ballots went only to Trump. It may be well known and well accepted, if you're trying to come up with an excuse to hide the theft of an election....

I'm not playing your little game, you can defend your side by attacking the other if you like, but as an adult, I recognize that as childish behavior, so....you can talk to yourself on that one.

Well, we know where you stand.

Bullshit! If you know anything about me you know I require evidence for outlandish claims.

Good! So how bout you provide us proof that there is no evidence? And don't waste time with links to your liberal media propaganda (which will only prove my point that you didn't come up with any of this)
 

Honestly, how do you reconcile this in your head? You think I am being lied to, you guaranteed Trump would win.....yet there is NOTHING that demonstrates that is the case!

You didn't see the elections? Trump did win, by a large margin, but the Dems are trying to steal it...I see you didn't bother to look up information on Dominion...too bad, you might have learned something.

Oh yeah! And demonstrating the case.... Lets ask you this; Where is the big blue wave your side has guaranteed would happen?? Anything? Hmm seems to me there was a big red wave...But I find it funny that if there was so much support for Biden and all those ballots that appeared in the middle of the night, all for Biden, How come those same voters didn't vote overwhelmingly down-ballot for their favorite Democrat Senators, and Congressmen?? You would think that the supposed overwhelming majority who won the election for Biden, would have gave him a huge majority in the Congress and easily flipped the Senate.

You'd think his supporters wouldn't kneecap his agenda, by electing Republicans in both the house and senate and failing to flip the senate, otherwise why vote for the guy in the first place?? Bet you don't have an answer to that weird fact.

His lawsuits keep getting thrown out, some of them (just today) Trumps team retracted! What world are you living in?
I'll say again, if there is all of this evidence of fraud, why on earth is his legal team not using it? Think about that carefully.

You really think everything is based on lawsuits? As I mentioned before it'll be people like you who will be broadsided.

Perfect example of the destructive us vs them stupidity....this is the problem in this country. People with this mentality ARE THE PROBLEM WITH THIS COUNTRY!

The problems in this country is Socialism which you voted for. Funny how you bring up us vs them when it's your side that supports ANTIFA and BLM. So I'll ask you point blank (and try not to deflect) Do YOU support ANTIFA? Do YOU support BLM? Remember a non answer IS an answer.

Ed

[KThaxton]

You really don't know how many mail in ballots went to Biden and how many went to Trump, but it wouldn't be safe to assume ALL mail in ballots went to only Biden, while ALL in person ballots went only to Trump. It may be well known and well accepted, if you're trying to come up with an excuse to hide the theft of an election....

Who said "ALL"? I didn't say all.

That said, the election result is evidence that the majority of mail in votes were for Biden.
 

Good! So how bout you provide us proof that there is no evidence?

Lol, do you know how stupid that is? I think we've been through this before....you can't prove a negative. Can you prove Zeus doesn't exist? If I made the claim (that Zeus exists, or that there was voter fraud) it would be my duty to provide evidence of such claim.....the onus does not fall on the other party asking for evidence of a claim.

And don't waste time with links to your liberal media propaganda (which will only prove my point that you didn't come up with any of this)

Nice cop out, you've buffered the question so no matter what source I provide, you will call it liberal propaganda simply because it proves you wrong.
Seriously though, to assume I did not come up with this myself is incredibly asinine and only serves as a distraction because you cannot provide evidence. It is well documented on this board that I require evidence for claims made in debates I partake in. Your attempt at a distraction is stupid.

Answer the question though, why haven't Trump's lawyers provided the evidence if it exists?
 

You didn't see the elections? Trump did win, by a large margin, but the Dems are trying to steal it...

Yeah, I saw the election, the same election that the rest of the sane world saw, the one that projects Biden as the winner by the same margin that Trump claimed as a landslide in 2016.

I see you didn't bother to look up information on Dominion...too bad, you might have learned something.

Again, there is no evidence, it started because someone on a right wing media said said they saw a poster claiming the fraud....then it got shared by another right wing nuthouse then it made it to Trump. I'd post sources, but they support my claims, so obviously you will not accept it so I'll just leave it.

Oh yeah! And demonstrating the case.... Lets ask you this; Where is the big blue wave your side has guaranteed would happen??

More biased nonsense and another attempt at a distraction. This has nothing to do with the discussion. Further, I certainly don't recall anyone "guaranteeing a big blue wave". Sounds like more drama queen nonsense from the non-thinking extreme right.   

Anything? Hmm seems to me there was a big red wave...

Lol.....just keep telling yourself that trooper! 

But I find it funny that if there was so much support for Biden and all those ballots that appeared in the middle of the night, all for Biden, How come those same voters didn't vote overwhelmingly down-ballot for their favorite Democrat Senators, and Congressmen?? You would think that the supposed overwhelming majority who won the election for Biden, would have gave him a huge majority in the Congress and easily flipped the Senate.

Lol...it's like you are trying to prove my point!
If there was widespread voter fraud...WHY THE FUCK WOULD REPUBS GAIN SEATS? Derp! Think about that for a minute. Also think back a few posts ago when I mentioned people like me....

The problems in this country is Socialism which you voted for. Funny how you bring up us vs them when it's your side that supports ANTIFA and BLM. So I'll ask you point blank (and try not to deflect) Do YOU support ANTIFA? Do YOU support BLM? Remember a non answer IS an answer.

Ed

Ya know, I'd be happy to answer that question, but since you think you can make up the rules of discussion and tell me what I have to do or otherwise you will assume my answer....I'll just let you pretend you know...because again, this has nothing to do with who won this election.

Oh yeah, one more time, why do you think Trump's attorneys aren't producing any of this evidence you claim is everywhere? You keep ignoring that. I think the count for Trump lawsuits getting thrown out is at about 20 so far....yeah, he's a shoe in for sure. 

[Mopar572]

In regards to the question of why voters who voted for Biden didn't vote straight democrat on their ballots, perhaps they are Republicans who vote republican but just cant stand Trump.  No dog in this fight just throwing it out there.  I have heard many people at work and out in public say that they don't like Biden or his ideas but they cant take 4 more years of Trump.

[Mad Max]

...have heard many people at work and out in public say that they don't like Biden or his ideas but they cant take 4 more years of Trump.

That is why the Republican party lost the office - because the loud-mouthed 4th grader 'leading' the party.  He did good things, but his blatant disrespect for the other half of congress simply was embarrassing enough for enough folks to vote for 'anyone else'...which is exactly how Trump got in in the first place - because his name was next to the bubble that read 'Hillary Clinton'.  He had every opportunity to try to build bridges and 'force' bipartisanship and try to be a 'decent' President...but nope - gotta call folks names.  I didn't necessarily want Donald Trump to be the President...but I didn't want any form of blatant Socialism infiltrating the office or America more, so of course the Republican party got my vote.

If he'd been decent and respectful - if he'd 'tried' to be a team builder and not just 'win' at any cost - despite the ridiculous attacks against him by the Dem leaders over these last 4 years...he'd have won.

[PowerWagonPete]

Trump received far more votes than he did the last time around in 2016.  The question remains, however, where did Geriatric Joe get all his?  Heck, Biden even beat both NWObama and Hitlery.   

It might be interesting to compare the total congressional vote from each state to the Presidential vote to see what, if any, anomalies may lie there.   

[KThaxton]

"That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence".

[KThaxton]

Trump received far more votes than he did the last time around in 2016.  The question remains, however, where did Geriatric Joe get all his?  Heck, Biden even beat both NWObama and Hitlery.   

Record voter turn out perhaps?

[Mad Max]

yup from both sides...

[dodge82273]

..WHY THE FUCK WOULD REPUBS GAIN SEATS? Derp! Think about that for a 

 because the dems concentrated on the pres election , and left the others alone ? or would that be TOO simple an answer ?

[PowerWagonPete]

Preliminary arithmetic indicates that here in PA, there was about a 100K party switch in votes between the congressional and White House races.  Not enough to raise too much suspicion since we do tend to be a ticket-splitting state, but far more than enough to give President Harris the apparent victory.