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RamJam 2014 - Moab Trail List
« on: January 10, 2014, 12:19:57 pm »
Alright - here it is :) .   Those of us that have 'been there and done them' have been chatting off line for weeks now on which trails would be the very best mix for everyone coming this year.  We really want everyone to have a great time, give their truck a good workout, have fun, and get home every night.  On Friday evening, at the BBQ/Bonfire social, we want everyone to be able to say they "had a total blast and loved every minute of it - was worth the trip and every single minute of work and every single dime spent!"  That said, here is the itinerary for the event.  Sure it's early on, but we also want folks to be able to look up the trails, see what's coming up, and have time to prepare their rigs (and themselves) as they see fit.

What I have done here is draft some narratives about each trail, with much of the information coming from the "Moab Trail Guidebook" - generally regarded as the best resource for the Moab trails - http://www.amazon.com/Guide-Moab-Backroads-4-Wheel-Drive-Trails/dp/1934838063/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1389365278&sr=8-1&keywords=moab+utah+backroads+and+4-wheel+drive+trails

At the last RamJam held in Moab (in 2006), some days there ended up being two types of trails (and correspondingly two groups of trucks) doing the trails each day: stock/well built, and 'extreme'.  Many of the trucks there were 'stock to mildly modified' - 'first-timers', many were hard-core (very well built and equipped with lockers and winches etc), and a few that were 'extreme' (sometimes called 'Truggies') and were 'trailer-only'.  As such, there were two 'teams' that formed, and the extreme rigs did the 'extreme' trails (those rated as 'extremely difficult').  These extreme trucks typically all had front and rear lockers, dual transfer cases, big soft tires, lots of armor, and the bodies were already dented.  These trucks were ready to conquer the very aggressive trails, and body damage was ‘expected’.  Those rigs and their drivers had planned to do the extreme trails, and as such there were two teams that formed each day, and everyone had a grand time  ;D .

We've established some common trail days during which everyone will be together, and other days where there are two trails planned so the extreme trucks can get a good taste of the BIG Moab rocks  ;).  The trails at Moab are categorized into Easy, Moderate, and Difficult.  Definitions (from the Moab Trail Guidebook) are explained below.  And just so everyone knows….none of the trails we have planned are in the ‘Easy’ or ‘Moderate’ category  ;)

Easy.  Intended to be the Family Fun Runs.  Gravel, dirt, clay, sand, or mildly rocky road.  Gentle grades.  Water levels low except during periods of heavy runoff.  Full-width single lane or wider with adequate room to pass most of the time.  Where shelf conditions exist, road is wide and well maintained with minor sideways tilt.  Four-wheel drive recommended on most trails but some are suitable for two-wheel drive under dry conditions.  Clay surface roads, when wet, can significantly increase difficult or may be impassable. 

In summary, these trails are for ‘sightseeing’ in the minivan with the kiddo’s.

Moderate.  Sport Utility Adventures.  Rutted dirt or rocky road suitable for most sport utility vehicles.  Careful tire placement is often necessary.  Four-wheel drive, low range, and high ground clearance required.  Standard factory skid plates and tow hooks recommended on many trails.  Undercarriage may scrape occasionally.  Some grades fairly steep but manageable if dry.  Soft sand possible.  Sideways tilt will require caution.  Narrow shelf roads possible.  Backing may be necessary to pass.  Water depths passable for stock high-clearance vehicles except during periods of heavy runoff.  Mud holes may be present especially in the spring.  Rock-stacking may be necessary in some cases.  Brush may touch vehicle. 

In summary, these trails are for the novice but brave trail goers with a stock SUV who want to see some cool stuff.

Difficult.  Hard-Core Challenges.  Some trails suitable for more aggressive stock vehicles but most trails require vehicle modifications.  Lifts, differential lockers, aggressive articulation, and/or winches recommended in many cases.  Skid plates and tow hooks recommended.  Body damage possible.  Grades can be steep with severe ground undulation.  Sideways tilt can be extreme.  Sand hills very steep with soft downslopes.  Deep water crossings possible.  Shelf roads extremely narrow; use caution in full-size vehicle.  Read trail description carefully.  Passing may be difficult with backing required for long distances.  Brush may scratch sides of vehicle. 

In summary, these trails are for the ‘off-road’ enthusiasts who aren’t skeer’d of having fun and pushing both themselves and their truck, and who carry spare u-joints…and know how to replace 'em on the trail using their own tools  ;).

As RamchargerCentral is a club dedicated to big fun trucks, and as those of you wanting to come to Moab are coming for some real off-road fun and excitement, and because we want you to get your money’s worth,…every trail we have planned is in the Difficult (read: really really fun!) category  ;) .

Okay – all of that said and explained, here is the trail line-up for RamJam 2014 at Moab, Utah: 

Monday:  7-Mile Rim.  A great fantastic trail that will give everyone a chance to ‘see’ Moab and get their rigs sorted out, and the trail isn't a sloutch - it'll test you and your truck without damaging your truck, and the views and scenery are simply breathtaking.  A great ‘1st day’ trail with plenty of opportunities for suspension flex, scenery, and a fantastic deep, sandy, twisty ‘river run’ at the end.

Meet up at City Market at 9:00 am, depart at ~10 am.

Tuesday:  Steel Bender.  Stream crossings and countless tall ledges – a real bumper-thumper.  Two notable obstacles: one is called “The Wall,” the other called “The Fall.”  When you’ve completed the obstacles, you’ll understand how they got named.  High ground clearance, excellent articulation, and lockers recommend.  Experienced drivers only.  Not for Stock vehicles.

Summary.  A great ‘push the truck’ trail.  Many of us will have winches and tow straps if needed.  A stock Ramcharger can do it but will likely need a tug now and then.  Expect to smack your rockers now and then.  Rock sliders and heavy duty skid shields for the transfer case recommended but not required.

Meet up at City Market at 9:00 am, depart at ~10 am.

Tuesday Alternate Trail (if required):  TBD (several to choose from)

Wednesday:  Golden Spike - the whole thing (which includes starting on Poison Spyder, then Golden Spike, then joining Gold Bar Rim, and ending via Gemini Bridges 8) ).  A dream trail and one of the toughest and most challenging trails in Moab.  Climb and descent numerous high rock ledges.  Daunting slickrock maneuvers (including “Golden Crack” – the premier ‘photo shot’ location in all of Moab).  Few bypasses.  Differential lockers, high ground clearance, and body armor highly recommended.  Suspension is severely tested.

Meet up at City Market at 8:00 am, depart at ~9 am.

Summary.  Golden Spike is one of the two trails I’m most looking forward to doing.  The other is Hells Revenge.

Wednesday Alternate Trail (if required):  TBD (several to choose from)

Thursday:  Metal Masher  If you and your truck survive Golden Spike, you’ll have a blast on Metal Masher – a great hard-core trail for modified vehicles only.  Very high ground clearance, lockers, and large tires required; winch recommended.  Features obstacles including ‘Rock Chunker’ and Widowmaker’, and fortunately they have bypasses.

Meet up at City Market at 9:00 am, depart at ~10 am.

Summary.  Don’t know – haven’t done it, but those that have assure me it’s a hoot!

Thursday Alternate Trail (if required):  TBD (several to choose from, likely Fins-n-Things)

Friday:  Hells Revenge.  The classic 'Moab' trail.  Dangerously steep climbs and descents over sandstone domes and ledges.  Low gearing, good articulation, high approach and departure angles, and good brakes necessary.  Lockers recommended.  Famous obstacles including ‘Hells Gate’, ‘Escalator’, and ‘tip-Over Challenge’, and of course, the ‘Hot Tubs’.  Each of those have bypasses. 
This trail has something for everyone, including the extreme vehicles, yet can fully be done and enjoyed by a stock Ramcharger and a novice driver.  This is a great ‘last day’ trail.  This is the trail I’ve been on several times and it never gets old.  Plus, I’ve never had enough ‘truck’ to do the optional obstacles, and since Sept 12th is my birthday, well I wanna celebrate in style…and I love Hells Revenge.  Hopefully I’ll keep my rig on its tires the whole day.

Meet up at City Market at 9:00 am, depart at ~10 am.

Summary.  By the time you’ve completed Hells Revenge and earned the decal on your truck, you’ll have fully enjoyed ‘Moab’.  You’ll also be hopelessly ‘hooked’ – you’ll very definitely be back.

Friday Night Bonfire!    Moab resident and all-around great guy Ken (MoabION) has given the nod to the traditional group bonfire Friday night - thanks Ken!!  It is held at his place in the Moab woods, and everyone is invited.  It is a potluck BBQ dinner event, followed by a big bonfire.  It has become a really great way to wrap up our Moab adventures.  Thanks Ken!!

Night runs can happen any night, and we'll leave those available on a 'whenever' basis.

Lots of small details to determine, and I wanted to get the list out so everyone has a plenty of time to research the trails and get the trucks ready as well as yourselves.  I highly recommend surfing youtube and watching other trucks do these trails.  If you search on ‘Ramcharger Moab Hells Revenge’ (and the other trails) you’ll very likely see one of our machines on these trails in years past. 

It’s looking like a really great gig folks, and I can’t wait to see you there!

- Sam
« Last Edit: February 23, 2014, 07:20:50 pm by Mad Max »
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    Re: RamJam 2014 - Moab Trail List
    « Reply #1 on: January 10, 2014, 10:15:29 pm »
    sounds great!!  :D
    just a newbie question, is it better to wheel in 4hi or 4 low on those trails?
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    « Reply #2 on: January 10, 2014, 10:29:08 pm »
    ...oh you'll be in 'low', like all day  ;)  ;D .  Most of us with doublers will be in Lo-Lo  8)
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    Re: RamJam 2014 - Moab Trail List
    « Reply #3 on: January 11, 2014, 12:05:06 am »
    ...oh you'll be in 'low', like all day  ;)  ;D .  Most of us with doublers will be in Lo-Lo  8)
    ok, because i've got the granny gear, and the truck literally moves at a walking speed in low/granny and I thought it was overkill and would never be used.
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    « Reply #4 on: January 11, 2014, 09:30:56 am »
    ....ha haaa - yer gonna have such a blast  8)  .  You'll be in granny lo on the 'hills', especially going down - them's steeeeeep :o
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    Re: RamJam 2014 - Moab Trail List
    « Reply #5 on: January 11, 2014, 09:47:55 am »
    ...and I'll add this as well - Our local bubba Ken (MoabION), who lives in Moab, who is hosting the Bonfire, also have a full shop at his place, and has offered it to whomever may have need of it.  We all know that 'stuff' happens, so if the time comes when someone needs to replace a starter or repair a broken leaf spring mount or fab up a new tie rod, you'll have a safe effective place to do it....providing we can get your rig to his place. 

    That said, many of us will have trailers, and we don't leave anyone behind.  If someone breaks down, "we" all pitch in to get the truck out of harm's way and to a safe place to work on it.  For example, the KOA does NOT allow vehicle maintenance on their property, and I don't blame them.  It isn't cool to have a pool of diff fluid in front of your cabin.  So, we'll get the truck someplace we can do some maintenance on it, and Ken's shop is likely the best option.

    I just wanted everyone to know that there are good resources available while you're there.  Knowing this often times lends to less stress for both the travel to/from Moab, and time on the trails.  We're trying to make the overall trip as least stressful as we can, and having a good repair facility sure helps {cool}.  Thanks Ken!

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    Re: RamJam 2014 - Moab Trail List
    « Reply #6 on: January 11, 2014, 06:32:07 pm »
    well we will be going might have to do the baby trails if I can't get a babysitter to stay at home with the kids or at the campsite/room but either way we will be there and all the trails sound fun... so if im in auto probably 1 4L would be my fav other then d4L lmao
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    « Reply #7 on: January 11, 2014, 07:46:28 pm »
    yah for most of the trails out at Moab, 1 - 4 - Lo is where we'll be most of the day, occasionally going into 2nd or 3rd gear when the trail open up a bit.  But for the most part, this is the definition of rock 'crawling'  ;)
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    « Reply #8 on: January 11, 2014, 09:10:48 pm »
    yea lol my mom was making me promise to not be rash if I have the kids with me bc she thought id be going 35-40 mph I laughed and tried explaining to her that it couldn't/ wouldn't be like that and all the stuff that would really be shaking everyone up has bypasses. btw I did order that book found it for 11 buxs on ebay lmao
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    « Reply #9 on: January 11, 2014, 09:22:25 pm »
    yup - and it's very common for all passengers to exit the vehicle for those really knarly obstacles the ones where the truck 'could' tip over etc.  We really take safety serious, and the passengers get a great view at those times.  It works good.
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    « Reply #10 on: January 11, 2014, 09:29:30 pm »
    yup - and it's very common for all passengers to exit the vehicle for those really knarly obstacles the ones where the truck 'could' tip over etc.  We really take safety serious, and the passengers get a great view at those times.  It works good.

    the really knarly spot I might pass up anyways lmao im gonna have as much fun as I can but baby the truck to lol im planning on having extra money for the trip but still don't want to replace my engine bc of me being stupid and gunning through something I should have skipped
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    « Reply #11 on: January 11, 2014, 10:21:51 pm »
    no don't worry about replacing an engine or anything like that - this isn't that kind of wheeling.  There is very little 'throttle' needed at Moab - very little.  Most of the time we're idling.  It's rock crawling, not rock racing ;) .  There is plenty of opportunity for that on other trails but we don't do those trails.  Last time I was there I broke a leaf spring - just one leaf - and fortunately it wasn't the main leaf.  The leafs I had were original so I wasn't really surprised.

    Honestly...in some ways getting to Moab is more stressful than being at Moab, especially for those that are driving their trucks there as opposed to hauling them on a trailer.  I plan on pushing my truck pretty hard, and even though it's being built for really twisty and torque abuse I won't be too surprised if I blow a u-joint or something.  So I'm definitely hauling my truck on a trailer.  Plus, there are other good friends coming from my town and they're driving their trucks, so having a trailer is always good 'insurance' against a breakdown - mine, theirs whatever.

    As an example, I'll be bringing spare u-joints, axle shafts, t-case output yokes, slipshaft yoke, a spare power steering pump, spare tie rods, nuts and bolts, and I'll definitely have a fresh (and equal size) spare wheel/tire.
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    « Reply #12 on: January 11, 2014, 10:34:29 pm »
    well i dont plan on getting the 32s i had wanted but i can get the same sized tires same style i would have gotten for the 32s so im just gonna stick with that and its looking like atleast 2 other vehicles other then mine one guys been here on this site for 5 yrs and the other ive introduced him to this site so hopefully we will be a nice lil caravan
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    Re: RamJam 2014 - Moab Trail List
    « Reply #13 on: January 14, 2014, 12:48:39 am »

    As an example, I'll be bringing spare u-joints, axle shafts, t-case output yokes, slipshaft yoke, a spare power steering pump, spare tie rods, nuts and bolts, and I'll definitely have a fresh (and equal size) spare wheel/tire.

    Maybe if your rig didn't have to carry an extra 7-800 lbs of spare parts it wouldn't break the drivetrain so much?  ;D   
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    « Reply #14 on: January 14, 2014, 08:51:28 am »
    Maybe if your rig didn't have to carry an extra 7-800 lbs of spare parts it wouldn't break the drivetrain so much?  ;D   

    ...nawwww - it's usually not the parts 'fault' that they fail...it's the looney driver behind the wheel  ;D - but I do like to "be prepared"  ;) .  The stuff I listed has been my usual compliment of spare parts and such for years, not to mention a very well stocked tool and electrical kit, and fluids.

    Now a spare tire?  "YES" - having a tire either come off a bead or get a sharp edgy rock poke through a sidewall - that is not uncommon.

    One thing I will mention - Moab will give your power steering pump a severe 'workout'.  I have often times come back from a trail to discover my pump had burped a few times on the trails that day.  We're going very slow, and the steering is being worked hard all day.  I highly recommend having a power steering cooler up front.  For those with remote reservoirs, having a oil temp gauge and a fan are also good recommendations.

    Not trying to scare anyone from coming - just trying to provide feedback from years of wheeling there so folks have time to consider making modifications.
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    Re: RamJam 2014 - Moab Trail List
    « Reply #15 on: January 14, 2014, 09:50:04 pm »
    A PS cooler ain't a bad idea. Added to my list of STD's. :)
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    « Reply #16 on: January 14, 2014, 09:56:20 pm »
    u should put a link in the post I've never heard of a ps cooler before
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    « Reply #17 on: January 15, 2014, 09:05:57 am »
    I'll do one better - pics!  ;D

    The remote reservoir and pump are not essential, but they are nice because the reservoir can be tapped for a gauge so you know when the steering fluid is getting 'hot', and having a cooler with a fan allows you the ability to cool it all back down.  Just plumb it in to the low pressure return between the gearbox and the pump, and yer done {cool}.

    This is Homer's truck "Levi".  He basically has the complete kit from PSC in here, and I'll detail the pics.

    This is the PSC 'remote' pump (no reservoir) -



    PSC remote reservoir -



    and if you look close, we've got the cooler (with fan) installed in front of the radiator.



    IIRC this is the fan cooler we used - http://www.summitracing.com/parts/prm-13211/overview/

    I'll get better pics later on and post 'em up.

    - Sam

    « Last Edit: January 15, 2014, 09:10:52 am by Mad Max »
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    « Reply #18 on: January 15, 2014, 01:21:28 pm »
    nice work with the trail selection Sam, I just had a read through my Moab trail guide book and it sounds like great week of riding you have planned out, good mix of challenge, scenery, and fun, can't wait to see it all in person! ;D

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    « Reply #19 on: January 18, 2014, 10:07:26 pm »
    For those of you that have never been here are couple of pictures of the optional routes on metal masher.

    Rock Chucker


    What it looks like to climb it un assisted



    Here are some of widow maker.









    And yes this was also an unassisted climb

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    « Reply #20 on: January 19, 2014, 12:46:15 am »
    wow that's Awesome!!! {drool} I guess you have to have a really good approach angle for widow maker. {cruise}
    more pics!
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    « Reply #21 on: January 19, 2014, 09:25:32 am »
    I can't wait to try 'em all.  And remember folks, those pics Greg just posted are 'optional' obstacles, not required unless you want to try 'em.  And, there will always be someone with a winch at the top and bottom of each obstacle {cool}.
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    Re: RamJam 2014 - Moab Trail List
    « Reply #22 on: January 19, 2014, 05:00:44 pm »
    how well would a 92 w150 long bed standard cab 318efi d44/91/4 with limited slips front/rear 4.56 gears with 35" goodyear mud ter. w/kelvar 518 trans 241 transfercase do on your list of trails. ps dont care about body damage
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    « Reply #23 on: January 19, 2014, 08:36:02 pm »
    actually...what you just described isn't too far off from the silver RC in the pics above.  I think you'd do real well.

    Most folks are absolutely astounded at how well their truck does at Moab.  My friend's totally stock Ford Bonoco did all of Hells Revenge without issue.  He's a good driver and did not do the optional obstacles, but he did just fine.  What really helps the very most, is lockers.  Lockers front and rear, on street tires, would work great at Moab.  Tires are the very close second - the softer the better - something that can be aired down.  There is no mud to speak of, but lots of deep sand.  Wide tires are good at Moab, and thinner tires just need more momentum.  And there's always a winch or yank strap - no problemo  ;)

    Airing down is very common.  The last two years in my RC with 33" BFGs, I normally keep them aired up to 55 psi or so for the street.  At Moab, I air down to 20 psi, and the additional 'gription' is genuinely impressive.  Didn't need beadlocks etc etc - just air down the tires to 20 or so psi and you'll be golden.

    Airing down the tires also dramatically aids traction, and can often make up for lockers.  Depending on available
    'shotgun' seats, the folks with the stock'ish trucks that don't want to do the mongo trails on Tues-Thurs, can likely grab a ride with one of us with the big silly monster trucks.  I personally have never done the three trails scheduled for Tues-Thurs, but I'm sure the guys that have will chime in and 'splain them a bit. 
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    « Reply #24 on: January 19, 2014, 09:08:24 pm »
    i will hopefully be there ;D just have to get my tow rig up and running 84 crewcab with a cummings. will be trailing the 91

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    « Reply #25 on: January 19, 2014, 09:11:30 pm »
    sounds cool {cool}.  Yah I have to build my entire truck, but I think it'll go pretty fast.  Got just about everything already - just have to bolt it all together and have it all work.  Meh - no biggie  ;D
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    Re: RamJam 2014 - Moab Trail List
    « Reply #26 on: January 21, 2014, 04:20:41 pm »
    just got my book in the mail and I like the way the trails look a few I can't go on but I can always look for other trails or turn around and head somewhere else with the wife/kids
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    « Reply #27 on: January 21, 2014, 04:51:26 pm »
     - and that's 'normal' for many folks during these trips.  There's nothing saying everyone 'must' do these trails, buit again like was mentioned, on Tues-Wed-Thurs there will be other great trails that will likely be done.  We'll talk about it all at the end of the previous day's trail etc and or at dinner, which most everyone tries to attend together  :)

    I definitely recommend surfing youtube on the trails, and include 'Fins n Things', 'Gemini Bridges', and other less technical trails.  The scenery there is absolutely breathtaking  :o
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    Re: RamJam 2014 - Moab Trail List
    « Reply #28 on: January 21, 2014, 05:01:39 pm »
    I agree the wife flipped through the book and has switched her mine from wanting her own car too wanting too have the truck ready for moab so I might get my wife and see u guys there... have to hate a womens mind sometimes lol flops more times then a fish outta water
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    Re: RamJam 2014 - Moab Trail List
    « Reply #29 on: January 21, 2014, 05:04:18 pm »
    Is  Lower Helldorado still open and if so anyone interested in giving it a whirl?

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    « Reply #30 on: January 21, 2014, 06:17:41 pm »
    the wife said body damage is ok, so long as it doesn't leak any more than it does now in the rain, and we can still drive it home just fine.
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    « Reply #31 on: January 22, 2014, 11:41:02 am »
    Is  Lower Helldorado still open and if so anyone interested in giving it a whirl?

    Norm

    To my knowledge no, I think that chunk of land got bought by a private citizen and closed to the public.
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    « Reply #32 on: January 22, 2014, 11:53:30 am »
    To my knowledge no, I think that chunk of land got bought by a private citizen and closed to the public.

    Thanks MB I guess that isn't a big surprise. Been a long while since I have been wheeling out that way. In my old age I might be getting tamer anyway.

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    Re: RamJam 2014 - Moab Trail List
    « Reply #33 on: January 22, 2014, 12:13:06 pm »
    I think it's a great list Sam. Looking forward to it again. I'd better get that front locker an sliders in this summer.  ;D
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    « Reply #34 on: January 22, 2014, 12:38:12 pm »
    I agree it should be a fun week of trails. I probably should decide which truck gets some love and put one together or we will be wheeling my farm pickup LoL

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    Re: RamJam 2014 - Moab Trail List
    « Reply #35 on: January 22, 2014, 08:00:43 pm »
    how well would a 92 w150 long bed standard cab 318efi d44/91/4 with limited slips front/rear 4.56 gears with 35" goodyear mud ter. w/kelvar 518 trans 241 transfercase do on your list of trails. ps dont care about body damage

    You truck will do well on some of the steeper climbs but your breakover angle will get you hung up with a long bed.
    For Moab excellent approach and departure angles are a must if you are going to be able to climb the ledges.

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    Re: RamJam 2014 - Moab Trail List
    « Reply #36 on: January 22, 2014, 08:07:05 pm »
    Here is a video from Ram jam 2007

    Trail riding in Moab UT


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    « Reply #37 on: January 22, 2014, 08:20:07 pm »
    One more thing to remember.

    There is a good chance you will see someone soil themselves if you are not careful ;D



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    Re: RamJam 2014 - Moab Trail List
    « Reply #38 on: January 22, 2014, 09:59:54 pm »
    I've gotta build rock sliders. I'm planning on building some very similar to Moabions
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    « Reply #39 on: January 27, 2014, 01:21:59 pm »
    yah they don't have to be much - just something to protect the rocker panels - that's probably the best armor on any truck on rocks, that and something to protect/reinforce the transfer case/transmission crossmember {pope}
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    « Reply #40 on: January 27, 2014, 08:31:25 pm »
    I found some rockslider on bay im just gonna put onto the truck give it a totally diffrent look lol I've gotten lucky so far and found everything I want (for the moment for under 2500)
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    « Reply #41 on: February 14, 2014, 01:18:32 pm »
    ...as I come across some decent vids of the trails we have planned, I'll add them to this list -

    Monday, 7-Mile Rim:

    (note - pay particular attention to the 5-6 minute timeframe in this video.  THIS is why we chose 7-Mile for "Day 1") -
    MOAB : Pilgrimage to the Promised Land (Part 2 of 6 - Seven Mile Rim Jeep Trail)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYX6xiMwHv0

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYifWAJXu68

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Diax8wVG35g

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czIEcs9MKQA

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKD_olmnc2o

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    « Reply #42 on: February 14, 2014, 01:32:38 pm »
    Tuesday, Steel Bender:

    MOAB : Pilgrimage to the Promised Land (Part 4 of 6 -- Metal Masher Jeep Trail)



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    « Reply #43 on: February 14, 2014, 01:48:47 pm »
    Wednesday - Golden Spike:

    Golden Spike Trail Moab in Jeep JK and LJ- please rate and comment!

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    « Reply #44 on: February 14, 2014, 01:50:55 pm »
    Thursday, Metal Masher:

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    « Reply #45 on: February 14, 2014, 01:51:59 pm »
    Friday, Hells Revenge:

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    "Escalator" (optional, lockers mandatory highly recommended) -
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    « Reply #46 on: February 14, 2014, 01:53:07 pm »
    other awesome trails (and 'optional' trails for Tues-Thurs {cool} ):

    Fins n Things:
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    « Reply #47 on: February 14, 2014, 06:40:42 pm »
    darn. lockers are mandatory on hells gate and the escalator. :'(
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    « Reply #48 on: February 14, 2014, 07:15:04 pm »
    darn. lockers are mandatory on hells gate and the escalator. :'(

    ....wellll..."mandatory" = 'least-likely-to-end-up-sideways-or upsidedown-and-get-major-body-damage-and-and-need-two-winch-cables-to-get-out'....and even with lockers there's no guarantee.  On some obstacles, and for sure on the optional hard core ones, we'll have very good spotters, tho even so there's a fair amount of savvy and maybe even some luck involved in getting the line juuuuuust right.  I'm talking about the optional obstacles available on every trail, in this case the Escalator.  I haven't tried it yet because I didn't feel my truck was set up properly for it...and I didn't want to get lots of body damage until I had lockers and such.  These last few years to Moab my Ramcharger has been fairly stock, and I haven't asked too much of it.

    I am very very curious to find out how well my new truck, with its 144-inch wheelbase (3 feet longer than a Ramcharger), will do on Escalator and other obstacles.  I'm hoping it will actually be past the breakover point before the rear tires get to it, and then the front end will carry it the rest of the way through.

    I'd wager vehicles without lockers have done it, but I think I can say the odds of a mishap - certainly for needing a winch - would be much higher with out them.  I think lockers are even more important on the Gate.

    I went back and edited the post to read "highly recommended" ;)
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    « Reply #49 on: February 14, 2014, 07:44:41 pm »
    I would be neglecting everyone's impressions of Moab if I didn't emphasize how dangerous this kind of off-roading can be.  This obstacle we're taking about, like many others on every trail, is optional - no one has to do it - the trail goes around it.  However, many people try it.  That said, any number of driver mistakes can happen, and in this series of video's one particular buggy nearly flips clean over.....and the driver made what could have been a fatal mistake - she put her arms out likely in an unconscious attempt to stabilize herself and the buggy {dont}.  DO NOT, EVER, PUT YOUR ARMS OUT TO TRY TO KEEP THE RIG FROM TIPPING OR FLIPPING OR WHATEVER - EVER.  This woman had her hand crushed because it got between the rock surface...and the roll cage.

    Watch, learn, and be advised: Hells revenge roll over (Embedding disabled, limit reached)

    If you look close, the rear steering was aiming the wrong direction...and the buggy did not go where the driver 'thought' it would.  (sidebar - This is the number 1 reason why I'm not a big fan of rear steer).  As a result, Life Flight was called in, and she was flown to Denver for real medical treatment.  All turned out well, but things like this are necessary to see and understand before tackling these fantastic, but dangerous, optional obstacles.

    Here is Life Flight coming in - Life Flight ariving at the hells revenge trail in Moab, Utah (Embedding disabled, limit reached)

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    I need everyone to really understand that you are on your own virtues out there.  Fortunately, we wheel with the best group of folks I've even met, and I trust them completely.

    Which brings up my second point:  ALWAYS TRUST YOUR SPOTTER.  For example, your brain will be telling you to go left...when your spotter is saying 'no...keep it right'....and your brain will fight that with every fiber inside you.  Your spotter can see what your tires (particularly your rear tires) are about to do, and you can't.  The spotter (nor anyone else out there) is NOT responsible for your safety, but they have the best vantage point for making sure your rig is going where it NEEDS to go.  Most folks have a co-driver who is their spotter, and many of use are good at it and will do so when necessary, myself included.  We don't want your rig upside down or even for it to get any scratches any more then you do  ;) .  These trails are so slow that your mind thinks the truck is farther along than it really is...but you're not ready to turn the wheels just yet.  You have to continually watch your spotter - not the rocks, not the scenery, not the line - when you're in a tight spot and someone is guiding you through it, watch the spotter because they will be telling you to go, or stop, to go 'driver' (left) or 'passenger' (right), etc.  Go slow and smooth - 'feel' the tires do their thing.  It's awesome.  Remember - watch and trust your spotter {pope}

    My last and final point to make is, to the maximum extent possible, ALWAYS KEEP THE GUY BEHIND YOU IN VIEW.  If someone has a real problem, it isn't hard for the forward half of the gang to carry on while the others are stopped trying to get repairs (or whatever else) done.  Keeping the guy behind you 'under observation' at all times makes sure the whole gang is together, and no one is left behind.  It also keep you and them within CB range, which is obviously important. 

    Now - I don't bring all of that up to scare anyone off or turn folks away - actually just the opposite.  The spectacular nature of wheeling Moab, including the precision required to do it right, is what makes Moab so freaking awesome  8) .  When you've wheeled Moab, it isn't that you've conquered the danger per se - it's that you've wheeled some of the most awesome trails in the country.  There's a reason Moab is considered a 'Mecca' - a pilgrimage of sorts - a personal challenge to both get there and back with some of the best wheeling stories you'll ever have.  Personally I love Moab - I love the technical nature of it, the scenery, and the challenge of building a rig capable of doing some of the hard stuff.  This year, like so many others coming to join RamJam, is my chance to see if I got it right. 

    It is a lot like that really scary roller coaster you didn't want to get on.  But...once you did, all you wanted to do was get right back on.  It is just...like...that  8) .

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