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Re: PC1P's 1990 W1ton50 RCSB Restomod
« Reply #250 on: September 11, 2019, 02:18:03 am »
I ended up staying with the 12" x 2.5" brakes - they were cheaper and in-stock, plus I can't say I felt a big change going from the 12" x 3" brakes on the D70 to the 2.5" brakes on the D60. The drums were too far gone to save, so I had to order a set of new ones. I was hoping to save some money, but it made painting them much easier :)



I ended up having to replace every single item in the rear brakes - wheel cylinders included. There was too much mud and corrosion for me to be comfortable reusing anything.

When looking on the Home Depot website for something a few months ago, I ran across a set of pipe stands and said "wow, those would be handy!". I decided to order a set and let me say, I should have picked up some years ago! They make working on axles much easier and more convenient. Rather than be hunched over, everything is at chest level (when on my mechanic's chair) and goes so much smoother.



The only thing I'm waiting on for the rear axle is a set of e-brake cables as none of the parts stores had them in stock. They are scheduled to arrive on Thursday, so hopefully I'll find some time to get them clipped in place and can get these axles rolled out into the back yard for a quick coat of paint.

I did some work on the front axle this week as well. Upon thorough inspection, the backlash is very low (~0.008) and the bearings appear to have plenty of preload still. Because of this, I decided not to rebuild the differential. The u-joints on the other hand were literally filled with dust instead of needles and the balljoints all had ripped boots. I ordered some replacement Spicers for both and began tackling that. With any luck, I'll have both buttoned up Thursday evening and can get these ready for install by the weekend...
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    Re: PC1P's 1990 W1ton50 RCSB Restomod
    « Reply #251 on: October 1, 2019, 07:25:30 pm »
    Been switching my efforts between the W150 and the RamCharger...



    I pulled the D60HD as well as the Skyjacker D40S springs to transfer over to the RC. For the W150, it will get the D60 that I recently rebuilt as well as a modified D250 spring pack with the 4" lift block taken off of the RC (the W150 will also get the 4" lift springs from the RC as well).



    I pulled the heavy overload leaf from the W150 to help soften the ride...



    ... then added a set of Daystar urethane bushings and a fresh coat of rust-converter paint.

    I had to order some new rear shackles and still need to get some new u-bolts. With our Vegas vacation coming quickly, it is unlikely that I'll get the spare D60 put under the W150 this weekend.

    '93 RamCharger LE | 408 cid stroker | Built 46RH | Dana 60s | TrueTrac Rear | ORD Crossover Steering | 37" Milestars | 17x9" Method 101 Beadlocks

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    Re: PC1P's 1990 W1ton50 RCSB Restomod
    « Reply #252 on: October 18, 2019, 12:55:52 am »
    I'm burnin' the Dodge candle at both ends, trying to make progress on both the RC and W150...





    I found a guy selling a 3-pin (aka a lock-up version) 46RH not too far away. With the noises that are coming from the current transmission, I figured it's probably best to find a good temporary solution. The blue paint and almost no marks on the torque converter suggests this was rebuilt fairly recently. I gave it a thorough scrubbing and fresh coat of Ford Grey paint (it was on the clearance rack for $2/can of VHT Hi-Temp!). I'll go through and adjust the bands and change the filter while it's on the bench. I may even add a small shift kit to help with the low shift point of the 46RH transmissions and I also like the benefit of pumping fluid in "N"...



    Both axles are in and she's down on the ground! I used the 4" Superlift (I think?) springs from the RC under the W150, of course taking the time to replace the bushings, give them a good cleaning and a fresh coat of paint. The stance is mostly level with a slight rake, which is exactly what I was going for. In the pic above, she's wearing a spare set of roller wheels/tires I have available. They're 265/76R16's and measure about 30.5" tall. I'm guessing I'll be able to safely run a set of 32" tires without hitting anything and needing to trim.



    With the W150 back on the ground, I was able to measure the new rear driveshaft length. I am keeping the big 1410 shaft for the RC and am using the shafts from the RC on the W150 (since the D60's I originally built for the RC have 1350/1410 yokes). Since the RC is much shorter than the W150, I had Phoenix Rack & Axle extend the shaft to the proper length. While they were at it, they blasted, painted and rebalanced the shaft as well. I also had them rebuild the front CV centering joint, replace all the u-joints, and rebalance the front shaft - should be good for another 25+ years!

    I didn't realize it at first, but the rear shaft actually uses Dodge "large" u-joints (the 7920), vs the typical "small" u-joints (the 7260) commonly found on 1/2-tons and RCs. These are stronger and equivalent to the 1330 Spicer joint. Unfortunately the D60 rear I swapped in place and rebuilt has a 7260 joint, so I had to order a new yoke online. It was only $55, so being able to use the larger joint is a benefit in my book and worth the few extra $$$...



    The D44 under the RC had a pair of Warn locking hubs when I picked it up, though the D44/60 combo I bought only came with the factory drive flanges. I pulled the Warns and gave them a thorough cleaning. They look like new, so I added some fresh grease and will be installing them in the 8-lug D44 under the W150 now. I still have a few other items to wrap up under the front axle aside from the hubs - install the new brake lines, swap over the calipers and pads, and hook up the brake hoses.



    I pulled the steering gear out of the RC and dropped it off at Phoenix Rack & Axle for a rebuild too. While there, I got to work on the steering shaft itself. The W150 is currently fitted with the crossover steering I used on the D60. I'll be swapping it back over to the standard push-pull setup, but since I trimmed the collapsible shaft on the W150, I have to use the RC's steering shaft (which is fine, since the RC will simply get the shaft from the W150). The stock shaft had seen better days - there was grease leaking all over it, the dust seal retainer ring was missing, and it was generally a tad sloppy.



    With the parts disassembled, I'll be able to sand and paint the shaft and coupling, then rebuild with the new Dorman parts kit once it arrives. The rag joint looks recently replaced so I'm not going to bother with that at the moment (I'm eventually going to swap in that spare tilt column I have, and will simply order the double-jointed Borgeson then).
    « Last Edit: October 18, 2019, 09:23:07 am by pc1p »
    '93 RamCharger LE | 408 cid stroker | Built 46RH | Dana 60s | TrueTrac Rear | ORD Crossover Steering | 37" Milestars | 17x9" Method 101 Beadlocks

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    98 Jeep TJ | 4.0/AX15 | 4" RE Super Flex | D30 30-spline | D44 CM shafts | E-lockers | 5.13 | 35" KM3

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    Re: PC1P's 1990 W1ton50 RCSB Restomod
    « Reply #253 on: October 18, 2019, 02:45:18 pm »
    What did it cost you to rebuild the steering gear? I've been thinking I'll need that in the near future but two places I checked with in north phoenix were exorbitantly expensive.
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    Re: PC1P's 1990 W1ton50 RCSB Restomod
    « Reply #254 on: October 18, 2019, 03:28:23 pm »
    More excellent progress!
    500 c.i.- Scat Crank, Scat Rods, Indy Aluminum heads, Comp XR280HR Cam, Six-Pack, Milodon 8 qt. Pan, 727  (reverse-manual, low band apply, 5 clutch disc, 3 qt. xtra. pan), N.P. 205, Ford 9" rear axle (4:11, 31 spline axles, Detroit Locker, converted/ disc brakes). Dana 44 front (converted/ disc, 4:10, Tru-Trac limited slip). Hydra Boost Brake Booster, Gear Vendors OD. 600+ ft. lbs. of torque

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    Re: PC1P's 1990 W1ton50 RCSB Restomod
    « Reply #255 on: October 18, 2019, 05:24:47 pm »
    What did it cost you to rebuild the steering gear? I've been thinking I'll need that in the near future but two places I checked with in north phoenix were exorbitantly expensive.

    I was quoted ~$150 and just like the driveshafts, it gets blasted and painted along with the rebuild. I figured with the sandblasting and painting, having them rebuild is saving me 4-5 hours of work, so totally worth it IMO and they warranty them for a while...
    « Last Edit: November 7, 2019, 09:58:15 am by pc1p »
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    Re: PC1P's 1990 W1ton50 RCSB Restomod
    « Reply #256 on: October 21, 2019, 03:13:03 am »
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    Re: PC1P's 1990 W1ton50 RCSB Restomod
    « Reply #257 on: October 21, 2019, 07:40:51 pm »
    I love both these projects.    In all the magnum swap threads I read, I managed to miss this one and you had several answers to questions that I messed with for a while.

    Your axle rebuilding/swapping makes me think I should get going and git rid of the full time setup on mine and be able to run an overdrive transmission, but I like it for winter time driving.

    One note on your noise.  Make sure its not the torque converter cover.   My original 727 cover would rub on the magnum flexplate ever so slightly.  Wouldn't make a noise turning over by hand, but scare me into thinking I had messed something up when I fired it up and had it running.  The later covers are offset differently to give more room.  Not sure what version your 518/46rh would have had.

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    Re: PC1P's 1990 W1ton50 RCSB Restomod
    « Reply #258 on: October 24, 2019, 01:27:13 am »
    I love both these projects.    In all the magnum swap threads I read, I managed to miss this one and you had several answers to questions that I messed with for a while.

    Your axle rebuilding/swapping makes me think I should get going and git rid of the full time setup on mine and be able to run an overdrive transmission, but I like it for winter time driving.

    One note on your noise.  Make sure its not the torque converter cover.   My original 727 cover would rub on the magnum flexplate ever so slightly.  Wouldn't make a noise turning over by hand, but scare me into thinking I had messed something up when I fired it up and had it running.  The later covers are offset differently to give more room.  Not sure what version your 518/46rh would have had.

    Thanks!

    Actually, I did have some interferences on the inspection plate when I first did the swap. I need to check it again, but the trans has been acting funny, seems to bog the motor without any stall and is generally acting funny. I will do another quick double check, but I'm not getting my hopes up.
    '93 RamCharger LE | 408 cid stroker | Built 46RH | Dana 60s | TrueTrac Rear | ORD Crossover Steering | 37" Milestars | 17x9" Method 101 Beadlocks

    Link: https://ramchargercentral.com/projects/pc1p's-1993-ramcharger-le-1ton-build/

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    Re: PC1P's 1990 W1ton50 RCSB Restomod
    « Reply #259 on: October 29, 2019, 10:17:14 pm »
    I picked up the steering box from Phoenix Rack & Axle and rebuilt the steering shaft with the APDTY kit off of Amazon. To answer @rc12102 question, the total cost of the rebuild came to $179 and it has a lifetime warranty.


    I also swapped out the old tie rod ends...


    I really didn't feel like cleaning the calipers for paint, though I sucked it up and began to scrub them up. Unfortunately, or fortunately I guess, I found the dust boots were old and brittle so I said f&*% it and bought new ones with new pads as well.


    I was able to get the steering box relocated to the 4x4 location, then I added the new drag link, hooked up the front brake hoses, torqued down almost all the suspension parts and even got the t-case output yoke and pinion yoke swapped out (both use 7920 joints). I hope to get the driveshafts installed and brakes all hooked up by this weekend.

    I have two 5.9L blocks and 46RH in the garage. I've been contemplating sending the trans off to the local trans shop for a rebuild and "toughen up", while also rebuilding (at least reringing and rebearing it) and adding a small cam to one of the 5.9L. I don't know how long I'll own the W150 after completing the restoration, but a strong 5.9L with a good cam would be nice in the short term, especially when I have two sets of spare 16" tires to "play" with :) 

    (plus that 5.2L would be good with a small cam in my Jeep YJ)
    '93 RamCharger LE | 408 cid stroker | Built 46RH | Dana 60s | TrueTrac Rear | ORD Crossover Steering | 37" Milestars | 17x9" Method 101 Beadlocks

    Link: https://ramchargercentral.com/projects/pc1p's-1993-ramcharger-le-1ton-build/

    98 Jeep TJ | 4.0/AX15 | 4" RE Super Flex | D30 30-spline | D44 CM shafts | E-lockers | 5.13 | 35" KM3

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    Re: PC1P's 1990 W1ton50 RCSB Restomod
    « Reply #260 on: October 30, 2019, 12:33:30 am »
    just so your aware , I've run and built 5.9 L/A motors since the 70's , never though for 1 moment I'd like the multi port computer trucks/motors , that is untill I bought a '93 5.9 efi . Having done a rebuild of a magnum motor , They are the exact same basic engine as a L/A with different heads , compression , fuel system . BUT what a power difference . the rebuild went carb , I would NOT do it that way again , I'd put the '93-5 computer in it with the 8 injectors ...and a lock up converter 518/ 46rh , use a 96 flex plate and converter ... ( plate HAS the weights)  ;)
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    Re: PC1P's 1990 W1ton50 RCSB Restomod
    « Reply #261 on: October 30, 2019, 12:04:33 pm »
    just so your aware , I've run and built 5.9 L/A motors since the 70's , never though for 1 moment I'd like the multi port computer trucks/motors , that is untill I bought a '93 5.9 efi . Having done a rebuild of a magnum motor , They are the exact same basic engine as a L/A with different heads , compression , fuel system . BUT what a power difference . the rebuild went carb , I would NOT do it that way again , I'd put the '93-5 computer in it with the 8 injectors ...and a lock up converter 518/ 46rh , use a 96 flex plate and converter ... ( plate HAS the weights)  ;)

    I'm with you there - lots of experience with LA and RB motors, but I love the Magnums. The only carbs I do nowadays are pasta and bread :) EFI is where it's at, especially the easy and reliable JTEC's that come in 96+ Dodges.

    Click back a few pages - I've already converted to a MPFI Magnum with OBD-II/JTEC and am running a Compushift Mini for the RH controller. I'll be doing the same to the RamCharger I'm building as well, since OBD-II is tunable.
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    Link: https://ramchargercentral.com/projects/pc1p's-1993-ramcharger-le-1ton-build/

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    Re: PC1P's 1990 W1ton50 RCSB Restomod
    « Reply #262 on: October 30, 2019, 04:48:26 pm »
    yes , I forget whos doing what , I still run alot of carbs , on twin and single cylinder stuff , and a mopar or 2 ..  ;D
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    Re: PC1P's 1990 W1ton50 RCSB Restomod
    « Reply #263 on: December 26, 2019, 11:12:06 am »
    Well most of my attention has been on the RamCharger and Jeep these past few weeks...

    On the RC, I rebuilt the spare NP241 t-case in preparations of the motor swap and the motor rebuild is underway. The machine shop will be wrapping up the block work shortly and hopefully Scat will send out the 408 cid rotating assembly soon. I've decided to have the machine shop assemble the bottom end for me. I can't find my good ring compressors, my garage is fairly well packed, and my travel schedule is already filling up. I still need to decide on a cam, but that's really about it for parts. I'm hoping to pull the current engine and trans out of the RC next week when I have a few days off and prep the frame area for the heart transplant!


    On the Jeep, I've finally gotten around to installing the MetalCloak fenders. With the holiday sales in full swing, I ended up ordering a Dave's Customs Unlimited stubby front bumper too, since the Smittybilt Classic was huge looking with the new fenders. I ended up selling the bumper and Warn winch plate for $200, which was as much as I paid for them originally! The DCU bumper ended up costing me only $48 :)


    Of course this doesn't mean I haven't been working on the W150. I found a guy selling what was labeled as a "1995 Ram Dana axle". Turns out it was a 1979 D44 from a W150 (the leaf pads and unitized bearings were a dead giveaway to anyone who knows Dodge axles). He made the mistake of telling me I was the only person interested in the axle in over 6 months, so I got it for a solid $100 bill (was going to go lower but he was flexible with my pick-up window).


    As it turns out, I may end up keeping the W150 for a while, using it is a parts runner in the short term. However, me the Mrs. have been talking about possibly buying a property up in Flagstaff as well, and this would be a good rig to park and leave up there (especially if we get an older house that needs some handyman work). I figured if I do keep it, especially in the snowy parts of AZ, I'm going to want to get rid of the CAD axle and likely have some traction aids. I can swap the parts from the 8-lug CAD axle under the W150 now and add the TrueTrac in just a few hours.
    '93 RamCharger LE | 408 cid stroker | Built 46RH | Dana 60s | TrueTrac Rear | ORD Crossover Steering | 37" Milestars | 17x9" Method 101 Beadlocks

    Link: https://ramchargercentral.com/projects/pc1p's-1993-ramcharger-le-1ton-build/

    98 Jeep TJ | 4.0/AX15 | 4" RE Super Flex | D30 30-spline | D44 CM shafts | E-lockers | 5.13 | 35" KM3

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    Re: PC1P's 1990 W1ton50 RCSB Restomod
    « Reply #264 on: December 27, 2019, 11:59:13 am »
    I picked up the steering box from Phoenix Rack & Axle and rebuilt the steering shaft with the APDTY kit off of Amazon. To answer @rc12102 question, the total cost of the rebuild came to $179 and it has a lifetime warranty.


    I also swapped out the old tie rod ends...


    I really didn't feel like cleaning the calipers for paint, though I sucked it up and began to scrub them up. Unfortunately, or fortunately I guess, I found the dust boots were old and brittle so I said f&*% it and bought new ones with new pads as well.


    I was able to get the steering box relocated to the 4x4 location, then I added the new drag link, hooked up the front brake hoses, torqued down almost all the suspension parts and even got the t-case output yoke and pinion yoke swapped out (both use 7920 joints). I hope to get the driveshafts installed and brakes all hooked up by this weekend.

    I have two 5.9L blocks and 46RH in the garage. I've been contemplating sending the trans off to the local trans shop for a rebuild and "toughen up", while also rebuilding (at least reringing and rebearing it) and adding a small cam to one of the 5.9L. I don't know how long I'll own the W150 after completing the restoration, but a strong 5.9L with a good cam would be nice in the short term, especially when I have two sets of spare 16" tires to "play" with :) 

    (plus that 5.2L would be good with a small cam in my Jeep YJ)

    Where did you get the boot thats on your steering shaft?  Hose clamps are way better than that crimp on boot you get in the kit!
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    Re: PC1P's 1990 W1ton50 RCSB Restomod
    « Reply #265 on: December 27, 2019, 05:20:38 pm »
    Where did you get the boot thats on your steering shaft?  Hose clamps are way better than that crimp on boot you get in the kit!

    it was the factory boot that was on the steering shaft...
    '93 RamCharger LE | 408 cid stroker | Built 46RH | Dana 60s | TrueTrac Rear | ORD Crossover Steering | 37" Milestars | 17x9" Method 101 Beadlocks

    Link: https://ramchargercentral.com/projects/pc1p's-1993-ramcharger-le-1ton-build/

    98 Jeep TJ | 4.0/AX15 | 4" RE Super Flex | D30 30-spline | D44 CM shafts | E-lockers | 5.13 | 35" KM3

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    Re: PC1P's 1990 W1ton50 RCSB Restomod
    « Reply #266 on: December 30, 2019, 11:46:14 am »
    it was the factory boot that was on the steering shaft...

    Interesting...Ive never take a shaft off any of these trucks that had a boot?  Any idea where to get one?
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    Re: PC1P's 1990 W1ton50 RCSB Restomod
    « Reply #267 on: January 2, 2020, 10:12:30 am »
    Interesting...Ive never take a shaft off any of these trucks that had a boot?  Any idea where to get one?

    Well there isn't anything "Dodge" specific, but it's a typical Saginaw style part. You may have to experiment some, but perhaps one like this: https://www.summitracing.com/parts/cwa-j8132676?seid=srese1&gclid=Cj0KCQiAxrbwBRCoARIsABEc9sjSo7hQoGfOHCuFuLlOjTOpJ8rUKBseDZQPJylwNwiyncojaGWmuoAaAvPCEALw_wcB

    Or this one (meant for a Jeep but Jeep used GM style steering parts for a long time): https://www.summitracing.com/parts/cwa-8132676k?rrec=true
    '93 RamCharger LE | 408 cid stroker | Built 46RH | Dana 60s | TrueTrac Rear | ORD Crossover Steering | 37" Milestars | 17x9" Method 101 Beadlocks

    Link: https://ramchargercentral.com/projects/pc1p's-1993-ramcharger-le-1ton-build/

    98 Jeep TJ | 4.0/AX15 | 4" RE Super Flex | D30 30-spline | D44 CM shafts | E-lockers | 5.13 | 35" KM3

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    Re: PC1P's 1990 W1ton50 RCSB Restomod
    « Reply #268 on: January 4, 2020, 06:38:09 pm »
    Where did you get the boot thats on your steering shaft?  Hose clamps are way better than that crimp on boot you get in the kit!
    I used a universal boot for a Rack and Pinion set up.
    Here's what I did back in 2013... https://ramchargercentral.com/mopar-trucks/my-'74-power-wagon-i-ordered-from-dodge-on-873/msg1865818/#msg1865818
    500 c.i.- Scat Crank, Scat Rods, Indy Aluminum heads, Comp XR280HR Cam, Six-Pack, Milodon 8 qt. Pan, 727  (reverse-manual, low band apply, 5 clutch disc, 3 qt. xtra. pan), N.P. 205, Ford 9" rear axle (4:11, 31 spline axles, Detroit Locker, converted/ disc brakes). Dana 44 front (converted/ disc, 4:10, Tru-Trac limited slip). Hydra Boost Brake Booster, Gear Vendors OD. 600+ ft. lbs. of torque

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    Re: PC1P's 1990 W1ton50 RCSB Restomod
    « Reply #269 on: February 5, 2020, 10:07:20 am »
    Can't pass up a set of five, low-mileage 33" (285/75 R16) tires for $300 (and they came with 6-lug Toyota wheels!)...









    Now that these are installed, the only thing needed to get done to get the W150 back on the road is the transmission. I have the engine and transmission from the RamCharger finally pulled, so I'm gonna take the cut-up RamCharger 46RH (with lock-up) and put the guts inside a non-lockup 46RH, then add a shift kit and a solid rebuild (though not as extreme as the RamChargers).
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    Re: PC1P's 1990 W1ton50 RCSB Restomod
    « Reply #270 on: February 22, 2020, 07:51:40 pm »
    Took a break from everything else to focus on the W150...

    I brought the cut-up lock-up 46RH (from the RamCharger) to my trans builder alongside a pair of non-lockup 46RH's. He was able to make one complete lock-up 46RH and gave me a discount since I let him keep the old cores (apparently the overdrive units are getting harder to come by). This one got some upgrades, but isn't much more than a solid stock rebuild:



    I had two buddies helping me and it took almost 10 hours from start to finish to pull the old motor and trans out, repair the oil pan (I must have dented it putting it in by myself last time), bolt up the new transmission, and get the combo back in. I decided to pull the motor/trans together since I had a few other items to address while it was all apart, namely cleaning up the Compushift Mini and engine harness.





    I have a few more things to do but did manage to take her for a test drive. She's running great and I expect solid performance from the 5.2L and new trans. This setup may eventually still get a G3 Hemi swap, but for the time being, I can stop worrying about the drivetrain and focus on body and interior.

    What's left on my short-term list:
    - swap out the trans cooler for a bigger one (at the suggestion of my trans shop)
    - need to connect the Compushift Mini's "corrected" speedo output to the ECM/Speedo feed (I will be able to correct for tire size changes without having to change the gears in the t-case)
    - buy and add shocks - still haven't gotten around to it from the D44/60 swap
    - replace the D44 spring plate studs with longer ones - the 4" lift springs are a bit thicker and there isn't enough thread height to fully tighten a nut
    - replace the rest of the D44 u-bolts (I just used the rusty ones originally) and torque all suspension bolts down
    - adjust rear brake shoes and re-bleed the system
    - hook up the e-brake - I'm using a set of D250 brake cables which aren't as long as the C9.25" oddly enough, so I'll have to cut and re-weld the bracket bar to make it work properly (I just did the same thing with the RamCharger)
    - replace the wiper arm bushings (I know, shocking right??)

    Once that's done and I have a few hundred miles on her, I'll focus on the interior. I need to replace the heater core and get around to hooking up the A/C. There are a few cracks in the floor that need to be welded up and then it's time for a molded vinyl floor and to reupholster the bench seat. There's not too much left before I can focus on body work and paint. It's getting close to spring, which means that summer isn't too far away. With all the work left to do on the RamCharger, I doubt I'll get to paint before the summer starts, which means the paint will get pushed out until fall... no biggie, it will just give me a few more months to flip flop on color  {think}
    '93 RamCharger LE | 408 cid stroker | Built 46RH | Dana 60s | TrueTrac Rear | ORD Crossover Steering | 37" Milestars | 17x9" Method 101 Beadlocks

    Link: https://ramchargercentral.com/projects/pc1p's-1993-ramcharger-le-1ton-build/

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    NP241 to 46RH Gasket
    « Reply #271 on: February 24, 2020, 10:55:37 am »
    There's a lot of misinformation on the interwebs - we all know that. I'm still surprised at how persistent some of it can be though. I could not understand why every NP241 leaked on me between the trans and t-case. I've been told a half-dozen times that there was no gasket between the t-case and trans and if there is a leak between the two you're "supposed" to notice it. Facebook Warriors even suggested that I "probably shouldn't be working on my rigs" if I don't know how to get a transmission to seal against the t-case with just RTV.

    Oh the internet...

    I asked a 20-year Mopar transmission veteran and he gave me quite the history behind the Dodge transmissions of this era. Needless to say, he assured me that there was indeed a gasket between the two, but it has been discontinued for a number of years so most people just use RTV and hope for the best. Lucky for me, when I tore the 46RH lock-up out of the RamCharger - it actually had an intact gasket! I grabbed some rubber/fiber gasket material off of Amazon and made my own:



    And guess what? No more leaks! My wife will love the lack of cardboard and 2 heavy rocks in the driveway again...

    And FWIW, here's where it states in the FSM that a gasket is used:


    For those super curious, the original part info is:
    Mopar Part No.: 4340247
    GASKET-TRANS ADAPTER TO TR/CASE
    '93 RamCharger LE | 408 cid stroker | Built 46RH | Dana 60s | TrueTrac Rear | ORD Crossover Steering | 37" Milestars | 17x9" Method 101 Beadlocks

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    Re: PC1P's 1990 W1ton50 RCSB Restomod
    « Reply #272 on: February 24, 2020, 11:20:04 am »
    while dodge don't sell them , you can buy one for a cheby from auto parts stores , very slight difference , be sure to clock gasket to that 1 oil hole or it too will leak ... in my case it was a nv4500 TO NP241 seems cheby used them as well ...  so anything TO a 241 would use the same gasket ...
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    Re: PC1P's 1990 W1ton50 RCSB Restomod
    « Reply #273 on: February 24, 2020, 10:08:46 pm »
    Lots of nice progress!
    500 c.i.- Scat Crank, Scat Rods, Indy Aluminum heads, Comp XR280HR Cam, Six-Pack, Milodon 8 qt. Pan, 727  (reverse-manual, low band apply, 5 clutch disc, 3 qt. xtra. pan), N.P. 205, Ford 9" rear axle (4:11, 31 spline axles, Detroit Locker, converted/ disc brakes). Dana 44 front (converted/ disc, 4:10, Tru-Trac limited slip). Hydra Boost Brake Booster, Gear Vendors OD. 600+ ft. lbs. of torque

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    Re: PC1P's 1990 W1ton50 RCSB Restomod
    « Reply #274 on: February 27, 2020, 10:48:30 am »
    while dodge don't sell them , you can buy one for a cheby from auto parts stores , very slight difference , be sure to clock gasket to that 1 oil hole or it too will leak ... in my case it was a nv4500 TO NP241 seems cheby used them as well ...  so anything TO a 241 would use the same gasket ...

    I actually tried the Chevy gasket that came with the Timken NP241 rebuild kit, but it didn't work. That weird hole in the 241D case isn't there on the 241C case, so as a result it won't seal (or at least the gasket that came with the kit didn't - there may have been slight variations to the design that worked, because a few others had to me a similar option).

    Anyway - new seal is in and she sealed up perfectly!
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    Re: PC1P's 1990 W1ton50 RCSB Restomod
    « Reply #275 on: February 27, 2020, 11:00:26 am »
    Well if it isn't one thing, it's another...

    The W150 has been running and driving great. I've been tackling small things off the to-do list and there isn't much left. On the way to pick up my son from school, I stopped and took a few poser shots:







    After picking him up, I started the truck and noticed a funny clicking noise that lasted about 1/2 a second. I don't have the inner fender on the passenger side since I'm waiting for some parts to arrive and thought it was the harness (that is zip-tied to the fender) bounced around for a second and didn't think anything of it. I started driving down the school's driveway, over a few speed bumps, when the clicking noise came back. I pulled over to make sure the zip-ties didn't break loose and leave the harness wrapped up on the axle. Nothing was wrong...

    I started the truck back up and realized the transmission would not shift into 2nd gear. It was a slow 0.6 miles back to the house at 11 MPH.

    I checked everything visually - nothing appears to be a problem, fluid level is fine, TV is connected, flexplate bolts are tight. I'll give the trans shop a call today to see what they say... nothing like kicking me square in the [email protected] right after I was super excited about turning to the interior and body work!

    On a lighter note, I think the 4" lift springs are too tall. I want to get a set of 2" springs and put in a smaller block out back. The 2" D200S Skyjacker springs that were on there went to the RamCharger. I'm toying with the idea of going with a set of GM 52" springs on the RC and would just steal the springs from the RC back to the W150. Choices, choices... gotta get this trans sorted out first!
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    Re: PC1P's 1990 W1ton50 RCSB Restomod
    « Reply #276 on: February 27, 2020, 02:33:39 pm »
    hopefully an in truck fix , but , makes me feel better , I paid to have a518 trans done , at a shop that had a good rep for many years , I didn't drive it much that summer at all , that fall it failed , but the shop owners sold and retired .......  yeah guess I didn't realize the different 241's ... & gasket . 
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    Re: PC1P's 1990 W1ton50 RCSB Restomod
    « Reply #277 on: February 27, 2020, 06:04:50 pm »
    hopefully an in truck fix , but , makes me feel better , I paid to have a518 trans done , at a shop that had a good rep for many years , I didn't drive it much that summer at all , that fall it failed , but the shop owners sold and retired .......  yeah guess I didn't realize the different 241's ... & gasket . 

    I spoke with Jim, the head guy at Arizona Transmission Factory and he was surprised but super cool about it and told me to get the truck over to him and he'd take a look. He wasn't sure if he'd get a chance to take a look this evening but if not, that his guy would do it first thing in the AM. He seemed to think what many others have said - a clogged governor.

    It has been running fine for two weeks without issue, though I did replace the radiator yesterday before this happened. As always out of caution, I blew the internal cooler out with compressed air before hooking everything up. I did some digging and people have seen all sorts of things get clogged in there, so while I think it's just odd coincidence, it is possible that something was in the new cooler and worked its way out. I always thought the governor took line pressure off of the pump, which would come AFTER the filter, but who knows - the trans guy is on it and I should be back up and running hopefully by tomorrow or early next week (which is good since I'll be out of town for Spring Break and would like to have this back at the house).
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    Re: PC1P's 1990 W1ton50 RCSB Restomod
    « Reply #278 on: March 23, 2020, 12:26:17 pm »
    Well it was just some bad luck...



    The governor exploded, leaving marble-sized chunks of aluminum in the pan. No reason why, we are guessing the c-clip failed. Not common but not out of this world. Mikey, the builder at ATF, knows his stuff, has excellent "shop manners" and is super organized so I certainly don't have any fingers to point there. As Forest Gump put it, "shit happens"...



    But it's been a week on the road and she's driving and shifting great, even after a few obligatory burn outs :)

    I couldn't find D44 specific spring plate studs, but all the suggestions pointed to the D60 version fitting. Turns out this was an accurate assumption. I ordered a set of D60 studs from WFO and got them swapped in.





    I torqued and rechecked all the suspension components - turns out I forgot to tighten the tie-rod end clamps!! They were snug, but not tight, so I double checked the alignment and used the opportunity to straighten the steering wheel. I also added a Monroe brand steering stabilizer for a firmer feel. I gotta say, she handles like a dream and I forgot how easily a 115" WB truck can turn into parking spots!

    I picked up a set of ProComp brand (looks like Rancho made based on the PN?) shocks meant for a 0-2" lift. I'm currently running the Bilsteins I picked up previously and they're way too long, so those will get put back in the trunk of the RamCharger for use there. I need to swap the shocks, add the inner fender to the pass-side (I left it off to make changing the axle studs easier and am glad I did!), hook up the emissions hoses and EVAP again, and then it's time for interior and body work! With summer around the corner, I'm thinking it's time to get the A/C hooked up and order my vinyl flooring before it gets too late! I can push off paint and body work, but I'm gonna want that A/C soon! I'm also gonna make some fishplates and tie-downs for the bed while I'm back there - it's a royal PITA trying to tie anything down and I hate how those pocket stakes look.
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    « Reply #279 on: April 15, 2020, 02:38:31 pm »
    Well I've been driving the W150 daily for almost 3 weeks now. Body roll hasn't been terrible but I noticed that with some weight in the bed or when towing my trailer it was much more noticeable. So with that I decided to hook the front sway bar back up. It was actually the bar that came off of the RamCharger, so it's a factory 15/16" bar. Nothing fancy, but I was looking to see if there was some improvement that was essentially free.

    Unfortunately, the links that connect the bar to the spring plates are often way too short, especially with 4" of lift. You can see in the image below that the factory link is quite short. Some people make their own, modify their existing links, and some rig up something that works. I did some looking around at factory options and found what looked to be like an excellent option.



    I settled on a set of Moog K8662, which I believe were from a specific few years of Ford F350. The bushings are a tad wider but still fit (I just got slightly longer Grade 8 flanged bolts and metal-lock nuts). Overall, it was worth the $50 or so in parts. The drive, even without a trailer or load, is much more planted and the truck seems to "skip" less around bumpy corner. As this truck won't be doing much off roading, it seems like a good upgrade that I'll keep!
    '93 RamCharger LE | 408 cid stroker | Built 46RH | Dana 60s | TrueTrac Rear | ORD Crossover Steering | 37" Milestars | 17x9" Method 101 Beadlocks

    Link: https://ramchargercentral.com/projects/pc1p's-1993-ramcharger-le-1ton-build/

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    « Reply #280 on: April 15, 2020, 07:57:35 pm »
    YES I have installed the newer bar on her '86 where there was none , good difference on the road . nice job finding a factory part that fits a modified truck , write down what it is , years from now you will be glad , or the next guy will
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    Re: PC1P's 1990 W1ton50 RCSB Restomod
    « Reply #281 on: April 16, 2020, 02:23:07 pm »
    Nice find on the Moog parts. I put the 4" Skyjacker system on my '93 W150 a few year ago. I left the front sway bar off. The ride is pretty good; actually a little better than stock, because the truck was ordered with 3/4T spring pack. The steering is good, especially considering the change in geometry of the system; no bump steer or death wobble, but, like you, I notice a little "skip" in certain turns. You got me thinking about putting it back on now.
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    Re: PC1P's 1990 W1ton50 RCSB Restomod
    « Reply #282 on: April 20, 2020, 02:31:51 pm »
    Looks like this bad boy is up for sale, saw it hit my PHX searches.  Good Luck!
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    Re: PC1P's 1990 W1ton50 RCSB Restomod
    « Reply #283 on: April 20, 2020, 03:57:22 pm »
    Looks like this bad boy is up for sale, saw it hit my PHX searches.  Good Luck!

    The Mrs. has "requested" that I get at least one modern rig after have all 3 rigs down unexpectedly (the W150 trans went and my Jeep ble the t-case while on a wheeling trip). I have the 93 RC, this 90 W150, and a 95 Jeep YJ - what can I say I have a thing for square headlights :) I've narrowed it down my new rigs to a 2020+ Power Wagon. Part of the request to get a modern rig was the stipulation that I had to get rid of at least 2 projects. I recently sold my "spare" Jeep YJ that I was going to build into a dedicated rock buddy.

    My intent was to sell the W150 after I restored her and keep the RamCharger anyways. I listed her on CL in the off chance that someone wanted to trade for a TJ (even a partial trade) for my daughter (she's 1.5 years away from driving but I'd like to get something she can learn on while also learning to off-road). I'm reluctant to sell the W150 as she sits and I've even gotten a handful of estimates in the works for paint/body. I have a handful of buddies back east and they've all said that a 4x4 short-bed would sell in a few hours. I still keep in contact with the owner of the body shop I used to work at in High School and he said he's driven to GA, TX and OK for these rigs and the demand is growing. Selling at a low end of the market price would still net me a few $$ in my pocket (granted this current economic downturn may change the "classic" market some)
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    Re: PC1P's 1990 W1ton50 RCSB Restomod
    « Reply #284 on: April 23, 2020, 05:01:36 pm »
    Never saw in on CL - did it sell already?
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    Re: PC1P's 1990 W1ton50 RCSB Restomod
    « Reply #285 on: April 23, 2020, 08:23:01 pm »
    « Last Edit: April 24, 2020, 09:55:17 am by pc1p »
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    Re: PC1P's 1990 W1ton50 RCSB Restomod
    « Reply #286 on: June 4, 2020, 01:44:39 pm »
    So, I wasn't sure if it was going to happen, but someone wanted to trade the W150 for a TJ...



    The gentleman was from MN, drove the TJ all the way to AZ and drove the W150 all the way back. It's going to be his daily driver, which makes me happy  :)

    The TJ has everything my daughter was hoping to find - a hard top, A/C, a 4.0L and a 5-speed. It needs some work but that was part of it. Despite being from MN, it was actually a Jeep that came from KS and wasn't used during the winter months. We've got some plans for it and are already making progress.

    Now it's time to focus on getting my RamCharger as my daily driver  8)
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    « Reply #287 on: October 6, 2020, 04:30:32 pm »
    PC1P, Iím new to the magnum swap subject, is there a resource you can point me towards for info on the wiring? Like how new of a donor I can rob, I just got my tbi Ramcharger and am interested in a magnum swap, Iím a lot more familiar with older Mopars but not as much the TBI/magnum engine management   Thx


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    Re: PC1P's 1990 W1ton50 RCSB Restomod
    « Reply #288 on: October 6, 2020, 07:01:36 pm »
    PC1P, Iím new to the magnum swap subject, is there a resource you can point me towards for info on the wiring? Like how new of a donor I can rob, I just got my tbi Ramcharger and am interested in a magnum swap, Iím a lot more familiar with older Mopars but not as much the TBI/magnum engine management   Thx


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    No singular resource exists but Iím happy to help. What year donor you working with?
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    « Reply #289 on: October 7, 2020, 12:40:17 am »
    I have a 1989 318/A500 2wd and the junkyard I was at last week has a complete 2wd 5.9/46re in a 2003. I ask if that would work because I donít know if by 2003 the engine computer can still be a stand alone system able to be wired into an earlier model or if I need to look for an earlier model thx


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    « Reply #290 on: October 7, 2020, 12:42:40 am »
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    « Reply #291 on: October 8, 2020, 04:30:24 pm »
    I have a 1989 318/A500 2wd and the junkyard I was at last week has a complete 2wd 5.9/46re in a 2003. I ask if that would work because I donít know if by 2003 the engine computer can still be a stand alone system able to be wired into an earlier model or if I need to look for an earlier model thx
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    So the 2003 engine is fine, but the ECM does have some limitations. Here's the Magnum engine breakdown that may help you and others:

    OBD-I/SBEC
    All OBD-I Magnum engines (92-95) and ECM's utilize EGR and EVAP purge for emissions control. They use all the typical "Magnum" sensors as the later year engines, though there is a difference in how the ECM uses the cam sensor for fuel sync.

    Note that Mopar dropped the "SBEC" moniker officially for the OBD-I Magnums but did casually refer to it as the Magnum SBEC, both in part# listings and even within the FSMs. The OBD-I Magnum ECM's do utilize the same 60-pin connector as the earlier TBI SBEC ECMs.

    The Magnum SBEC will only operate an "RH" style transmission - meaning you cannot use the early ECM with a 96+ RE transmission.

    OBD-II/JTEC
    96-98.0 JTEC - Mopar adopted the "JTEC" controller - which stands for Jeep/Truck Engine Controller. Early OBD-II Magnums dropped the EGR valve on light-duty classifications, though heavy-duty GVWR trucks kept the EGR (and added an extra catalytic converter, plus 2 additional O2 sensors). Many 96 and early 97 Magnum manifolds had EGR-provisioned intake manifolds with block-off plates installed from the factory. All these years retained the EVAP purge, making 96-98.0 ECM's and wiring harnesses the easiest to use to make a emissions legal conversion (for 98 and older vehicle swaps).

    The 96-98.0 ECMs are straight wired ("SCI") with individual outputs for peripherals - meaning that you have specific outputs for VSS (vehicle speed sensor), CEL (check engine light), Tach, etc. This makes these years ideal swaps into older rigs.

    98.5-2003 JTEC - ***I am grouping a bunch of changes into this category since it is confusing for many and dissemination doesn't add much help unless you're looking to swap a specific diagnostic/transmit protocol with another.***

    On the 98.5+ JTEC, a numbers of things changed. From an emissions standpoint, they adopted the EVAP purge leak detection. From a diagnostic and control standpoint, the JTEC was now CCD-Bus (and later PCI). This means information was shared with other systems with a twisted-pair of wires (or a single wire in PCI). The dash received oil pressure, engine speed, vehicle speed, CEL, etc. from a single twisted-pair. Unfortunately, while this makes wiring easier from the factory, integrating this information into an older rig makes it challenging since there's no way to trigger a CEL, VSS, etc.

    The 98.5 harness also uses different connectors at the sensors. The sensors themselves operate identically from the 92-98.0 sensors, but the connectors are different (you could use either generation sensor with either ECM assuming the correct harness or connector was used).

    Hope this helps!

    For your specific swap, I would try to find a 96-98.0 harness and ECM (though you can use a later ECM on older harnesses).
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    « Reply #292 on: October 8, 2020, 05:43:00 pm »
    Thanks man thatís sweet, I am assuming then that the engine and trans will work from the 03 and from there I would want to find a 98 down harness computer and sensors


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