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Hey guys, I just picked up this 74 w200 crew cab ex-USAF and PA forestry service fire truck. Its in real good shape , very little rust, 360 engine, NP205 with a PTO Ramsey winch up front. Right now I'm doing some repair work and maintenance work on it to get it road worthy... new clutch, oil, filter, air filter, plugs, wires, cap and rotor, new headlights. The oil dipstick tube is also broken off so I'm replacing that as well. After that I'd like to swap the bed, get some new tires on it and maybe do a disk brake conversion on the front.

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    Re: my new 74 w200 crew cab project
    « Reply #1 on: November 9, 2017, 06:18:04 pm »
    Very cool,  where you located
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    Re: my new 74 w200 crew cab project
    « Reply #2 on: November 9, 2017, 06:24:43 pm »
    Thanks! I'm pretty happy with it so far, itching to put some miles on it. I'm in Phoenixville PA, about an hour outside of philly.
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    Re: my new 74 w200 crew cab project
    « Reply #3 on: November 11, 2017, 03:28:11 pm »
    Hey guys, I'm checking out new tires now. The truck has 235/85R16s on it, I'm thinking of going to a 285/75R16. The diameter difference should be just over an inch and the width difference just under 2". These should fit fine at stock ride height, right?
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    Re: 1974 w200 crew cab project - Getting it road worthy
    « Reply #4 on: December 4, 2017, 08:28:11 am »
    So I've made some progress. Didn't take any pictures along the way but they wouldn't have been much to look at anyway. So far- it's registered, insured and plated, new clutch is in so its actually driving now, I dropped the oil pan and replaced the dipstick tube that was broken off, new brake pads, cleaned and rebuilt the carb (probably should have just bought a new one though), removed the ridiculous rats nest of wiring from when it was lit up for the fire dept. and did a general tune up, plugs, wires, cap & rotor, air & fuel filters. 2 new headlights and new wiper blades. Next I've got to figure out my bed swap, remove the FD decals, replace the weather stripping on the windows and doors, patch the only 2 rust spots on the truck, plus I'm still going back and forth on size and type of tires. Although I'm leaning toward a set of A/T 285/75/16s or 315/75/16s, any input on tires would be appreciated.
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    Re: 1974 w200 crew cab project - Up next - bed swap and new shoes
    « Reply #5 on: December 4, 2017, 06:38:15 pm »
    After a bunch of measuring I'm going with 285/75/16s, probably Falken Wildpeak ATs. I really wanted to go with 315/75/16s but I think it is just too tight of a fit at stock ride height and would probably rub/hit at steering lock or full shock compression. I'll get some fresh pictures up soon.
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    Re: 1974 w200 crew cab project - Up next - bed swap and new shoes
    « Reply #6 on: December 7, 2017, 02:47:53 pm »
    Nice truck !
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    Re: 1974 w200 crew cab project - Up next - bed swap and new shoes
    « Reply #7 on: December 8, 2017, 06:52:57 pm »
    Thanks Wagoner! I got the utility box bed pulled off today and started stripping the fire department decals. It wasn't easy to pull the bed solo but with some cement blocks, the scissor jack from our minivan and fair amount of cursing I got it done. I've got the bed listed on CL and a couple people coming to look at it over the weekend, hopefully one of them is a buyer. When I started removing the decals I was using a heat gun, i don't know if its crappy paint or if I got it too hot with the heat gun but a big patch of paint came off with some of the lettering, DOH! I then switched to a decal eraser wheel i got from Napa, which works really well. Here are some new pictures for you guys. I'm kinda digging the stubby look with no bed haha.

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    Re: 1974 w200 crew cab project - Up next - bed swap and new shoes
    « Reply #8 on: December 14, 2017, 08:44:45 pm »
    Great job. What are your plans for it?
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    Re: 1974 w200 crew cab project - Up next - bed swap and new shoes
    « Reply #9 on: December 15, 2017, 03:55:31 pm »
     Nothing too crazy. I'd like to make it a good daily driver and occasional camping/adventure truck. I'm thinking BUD's much tamer cousin. I got new Tires put on yesterday, went from 235/65/16s to 285/75/16s. I'm picking up an M101 military trailer bed from a local surplus place Monday to use as the bed. I like the look and you can't beat the price, as far as beds go I think its my cheapest option. Other than that I'm just plugging away at little boring stuff to get it all up to snuff.... fresh power steering and alternator belts, temp sending unit, valve cover gaskets that kind of thing. I did get the old bed sold the other day, which is great gets it out of my yard and more than pays for the new bed. I'm also planning to do poly body mounts and maybe a front disc brake conversion coming up soon. But the new bed and tail lights will be the next big change. Here are some pictures of the new tires.
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    vs. old tires
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    Re: 1974 w200 crew cab project - Up next - bed swap and new shoes
    « Reply #10 on: December 19, 2017, 08:55:00 pm »
    Cool truck!! Is that a PTO winch up front or electric?
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    Re: 1974 w200 crew cab project - Up next - bed swap and new shoes
    « Reply #11 on: January 9, 2018, 07:14:07 am »
    Thanks! Yep that is an old Ramsey PTO driven winch up front and it works too haha. It is on my "list" though it needs to be freshened up, I'll probably replace the line with synthetic, replace the hook, fairlead and oil. I'm also looking to replace my body mounts... do any of you guys know if the body/cab mounts are the same for regular and crew cabs? Maybe my google-fu is weak but I could not find an answer online.
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    Re: 1974 w200 crew cab project - Up next - bed swap and new shoes
    « Reply #12 on: January 9, 2018, 08:57:01 am »

    ...I'm thinking BUD's much tamer cousin....


    kewl! {cool}.  With the M101 bed it aught to look real similar - going to be fun to see it come together {popcorn}

    Those tires should work real good with the factory lift.  If you ever want to go with something bigger I'd recommend the 36x15.5 Mickey Thompson MTZs - great tire for your weight and wheelbase, and with a small 2 to 4" lift they'll fit good.

    For the body mounts, I'm pretty sure this is the kit I've used in the past -

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    Re: 1974 w200 crew cab project - Possible donor truck for disc conversion?
    « Reply #13 on: February 11, 2018, 09:07:47 am »
    Thanks Sam! The truck doesn't have a name yet so I've been jokingly calling it "bud-lite" although my 2 dogs don't know about your truck so I think I'm the only one who gets the joke. ;D Progress has been kinda slow recently, I don't have a garage and the weather and work have been uncooperative. I did get the m101 bed cut to length and need to mount it. Also I have a buddy who is sending his 1999 1500w 4x4 to the scrap yard and asked if I wanted any parts off the truck before it goes. The more I drive the truck the more I'd like to do a disc brake conversion and gear the front and rear so its a bit more highway friendly. Is there anything I could grab that would work with my truck? Axles or T-case? Would the front axle/hub parts work for a disc brake swap? Any help would be appreciated... I hate to see free parts go to the scrap yard.
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    Re: 1974 w200 crew cab project - Possible donor truck for disc conversion?
    « Reply #14 on: February 11, 2018, 01:47:18 pm »
    What axle is up front, the D44 or the closed knuckle D70?  The D44 is an easy swap to discs, with all factory parts. 
    Nothing off the '99 will help you though, it's a completely different design and is 1/2 ton to boot.  The D70 is not going to be easy to swap to discs and will likely require a lot of custom machining.  Unless you are a machinist yourself, it would probably be cheaper just to swap to a kingpin D60 front axle with discs already on it.

    If I ever get another pickup, I want it to be a '74 model.  I've had two and they are pretty much the pinnacle of pickups for me.  The NP435 with the divorced NP205 is hard to beat.
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    Re: 1974 w200 crew cab project - Possible donor truck for disc conversion?
    « Reply #15 on: February 11, 2018, 03:18:54 pm »
    If I ever get another pickup, I want it to be a '74 model.  I've had two and they are pretty much the pinnacle of pickups for me.  The NP435 with the divorced NP205 is hard to beat.
    I agree.

    I hate the 74 grill though.

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    Re: 1974 w200 crew cab project - Possible donor truck for disc conversion?
    « Reply #16 on: February 11, 2018, 03:50:55 pm »

    Thanks Sam! The truck doesn't have a name yet so I've been jokingly calling it "bud-lite" although my 2 dogs don't know about your truck so I think I'm the only one who gets the joke. ;D


    {cool}   -  yah I often call our Dakota 'Bud Lite' too - seems to fit  ;D

    And I agree with Lanty too - doubt there'll be much from the 99 you can easily use...   :-\
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    Re: 1974 w200 crew cab project - Possible donor truck for disc conversion?
    « Reply #17 on: February 11, 2018, 05:43:21 pm »
    You get ready to move the grill , count me in .
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    Re: 1974 w200 crew cab project - Possible donor truck for disc conversion?
    « Reply #18 on: February 11, 2018, 07:07:58 pm »
    That is unfortunate, I was hoping for some freebies. Thanks for the advice guys, I'll tell him I'm gonna pass on scrounging any parts. I like the 74' grill, although I'm tempted to try a 73' grill on it. I'll try and get the bed mounted up and take some pictures, keep you guys posted.
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    Re: 1974 w200 crew cab project - Bed swap almost done w/ fresh pictures!
    « Reply #19 on: February 16, 2018, 08:21:26 am »
    Alright I got the bed cut, on the truck and leveled.  I have it back off to drill some holes and I plan to move the hitch up to the top of the frame rails cause it hangs really low right now. Moving it up would give me another 6-7" of clearance. Hopefully I can get it permanently installed this weekend. My plan is to use HDPE spacer blocks and run 1/2"-3/4" bolts down through the cross bars on the bed, through the middle of the blocks and to the frame of the truck.  I've never mounted a truck bed before so I'm improvising but does this sound safe/secure to you guys?
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    Re: 1974 w200 crew cab project - Bed swap almost done w/ fresh pictures!
    « Reply #20 on: February 16, 2018, 09:04:25 am »

    I've never mounted a truck bed before so I'm improvising but does this sound safe/secure to you guys?


    sounds fine to me.  So long as you have 4 good points where the bed is securely bolted to the frame you'll be golden.  I used angle brackets and such and re-used the old body mount rubber pucks to provide a bit of 'cushion' between the brackets so when the truck twisted it would give the mounts some room to 'move'

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    Re: 1974 w200 crew cab project - Bed swap almost done w/ fresh pictures!
    « Reply #21 on: February 16, 2018, 11:05:27 am »
    Oh, I like that bed. Looks real good on your rig.
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    Re: 1974 w200 crew cab project - Bed swap almost done w/ fresh pictures!
    « Reply #22 on: March 3, 2018, 07:47:17 pm »
    Thanks for the help and comments guys, the forum has been kind of a motivating factor for me with this project.... trying to keep the pictures and progress coming haha. I'm liking the way it is coming together so far, a bunch of work and some good changes since I bought it. I got the L.E.D. tail lights mounted, moved the hitch to the top of the frame rails and bolted the bed up with 1/2" stainless bolts and nylocks. I'm temporarily running oak block spacers on the bed :-X while I wait for my local machine shop to make up spacers blocks for me. We've had some strong winds the last couple days in my part of PA and while I was outside mounting the taillights up on the tailgate I heard a couple good cracks and a crash... my shed took a direct hit. I need to finish wiring the taillights tomorrow. I'm considering a switch to a 72-73 grille, do you guys know if those are a direct swap?

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