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« on: May 3, 2013, 07:56:34 pm »
Well I finally got me a crew cab  ;D 

Its an old Burlington Northern Railroad truck. In their Green. Cascade Green? Reminds me of Sassy Grass green. I think I will have to keep it this color. First time the paint was the first thing decided. LOL

Its gonna be a slow project but figured I would start a thread since Crew Cabs do have a following.

Any old time rail fans that know what the paint code would be or how to get it matched?

I will also ask my stupid questions here as well.  :-X

Plans, convert to 4x4 with plans on using a 88-98 Ford front end  for the driver side drop, to make romm for a way down the line of a cummins swap. Bed is kinda trashed so either find another or flat bed it. Not sure yet. Looking at about a 4" lift overall.

When is crossover steering needed? Over 4". Can it be used with under a 4" lift? Since the truck is already 2wd the steering box is properly located already. :) Would I have to goto a 5" to make the crossover steering work? Given the length of the truck, thinking a divorced xfer case if its worth it. Mainly to move it back to make both driveshafts the same length. Havent measured yet so not sure if my idea would make for a stupidly long front driveshaft? Non divorced xfer cases stronger? Strength an durability is more important. So looking at a 2nd gen diesel xfer case. nv241D iirc. I dont think those ever came divorced. hmmm might have answered my own question.

Looking at a 35" tire but given the size of the truck maybe 37". Size meaning length. Plan on copying "Judge" and lengthening the front fender opening. Keep the pics up Eric! Gonna need to refer to them.  ;D  Gotta research to see what the consesus is to fit 37" tires.

Its an original 4bbl truck. Might swap to Magnum with Megasquirt but no need yet. Seems to run fine. Was overheated but no odd engine noises. The back of the exhaust manifold has a hole in it. Should be where the air injection should go, maybe a plug blew out? I have a set of headers. She smokes bad from a valve cover leak. Guy said I can fix some of the things at his place. No fluids seem to be mixed either. So hopefully no blown head gasket.

What size gas tanks were available in Crews?

Looks to be a D60 under there. Didnt check the rear for a tag. Owner says its geared low too. Anything steeper then 4.10 available back then?

They wrecked the driver side door and the latches wont change over. I remember reading there was a latch change but can not remember when and what was changed?  :-X

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I like the Green!!





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    Re: 85 D350 Crew Cab Burlington Northern Truck
    « Reply #1 on: May 3, 2013, 08:31:52 pm »
    Not sure about the 80's but I know in the 70's 4:88 seemed to pop up. Glad you're keeping the color. nice truck
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    « Reply #2 on: May 4, 2013, 07:28:35 am »
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    « Reply #3 on: May 4, 2013, 08:36:52 am »
    Why not just put a dodge d60 under it and leave it passenger drop?  Find a W250/350 donor truck and it would be pretty straight forward

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    Re: 85 D350 Crew Cab Burlington Northern Truck
    « Reply #4 on: May 4, 2013, 06:27:08 pm »
    Why not just put a dodge d60 under it and leave it passenger drop?  Find a W250/350 donor truck and it would be pretty straight forward


    Exhaust clearance on a diesel. Thinking down the road. Also fords are more plentiful up here. Already found front and rear for 1200.  Can't get them yet.  Even found a 3/4 diesel ford for about 2200. Dodges, not so much.
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    Re: 85 D350 Crew Cab Burlington Northern Truck
    « Reply #5 on: May 5, 2013, 09:06:06 am »
    look at some of the builds that mad max has done, almost all diesel conversions, with factory axle and transfer case options, plenty of room to run your 4" diesel exhaust, he even makes a 4" down pipe that clears these rigs with no modifications. he would be the guy to talk to.
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    Re: 85 D350 Crew Cab Burlington Northern Truck
    « Reply #6 on: May 5, 2013, 03:32:31 pm »
    For the X over, Anything over 2" lift & it should fit. It will NOT work on a stock height!!
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    Re: 85 D350 Crew Cab Burlington Northern Truck
    « Reply #7 on: May 5, 2013, 11:28:00 pm »
    Did a little more research and no I see the spring pads are different. I swore the ford d60 was a bolt in basically. Looks like it stays all dodge :). After that I did skim through some builds and I believe it was with twins and 5" is where it got tight. However I might not go diesel after all.

    What xfer cases were the diesel/heavy duty ones? This Friday going to go see the truck again. Start fixing leaks.
    It does have a hole in the back of each exhaust manifold. Seems like the holes for an air aspirator tube. Anyone know if a pipe plug would screw in or do I have to pull the manifolds to see it up. If so thinking some washers and jb weld :( 

    Did the door latches switch some time in the mid 80's?  They wreck the driver front door and got another. Latch won't work and they haven't fixed it yet so the door has no latch.
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    Re: 85 D350 Crew Cab Burlington Northern Truck
    « Reply #8 on: May 6, 2013, 02:49:56 am »
    yes the striker and latch did change, I think in 85 when the thinner doors were introduced, the tubes in the back of the manifold are the AIR ports, and would work in conjunction with the rest of the smog equipment, on some there is a plug on the front side of the manifold, same plug should work, a block off plate could also be made (sometimes purchased if they are still on the shelf) below the rear hole is a bolt hole, that bolt hole can be used to hold a block off plate in place.

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    Re: 85 D350 Crew Cab Burlington Northern Truck
    « Reply #9 on: May 6, 2013, 04:29:13 am »
    Green..... Me likey!
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    Re: 85 D350 Crew Cab Burlington Northern Truck
    « Reply #10 on: May 6, 2013, 04:14:20 pm »
    That's strange about the gearing, I did see a cab/chassis truck that was being parted out with 4.88's it's hard to tell.
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    Re: 85 D350 Crew Cab Burlington Northern Truck
    « Reply #11 on: May 6, 2013, 06:39:09 pm »
    Dam. I forgot about the ports in the exh manifold. Will have to see when I pull them. I don't remember if it had provisions for the air pump.

    I like the color too. Need to see if I can find a paint code. If not maybe Sassy Grass Green?  Nothing like a high impact painted crew cab. :)
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    Re: 85 D350 Crew Cab Burlington Northern Truck
    « Reply #12 on: May 7, 2013, 02:10:55 am »
    For the X over, Anything over 2" lift & it should fit. It will NOT work on a stock height!!
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    Is that the Burlington Vt RR you got it from?


    No its from the Northwest. Washington, Oregon area. I just moved up here in 2010 so I dont know the history of the RR.

    I will probably PM you questions again, since I am converting to 4wd, and so far your pieces seem to make it the easiest way.

    So far so reading on the RR from Wikipedia Burlington RR
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    Re: 85 D350 Crew Cab Burlington Northern Truck
    « Reply #13 on: May 9, 2013, 05:48:24 pm »
    Ok I got a deal on a Cummins A518/np205.  Picking it up in July.

    Read a V10 shares the Cummins bellhousing pattern. If so and a V10 will bolt up to the tranny, what is needed for it to work behind a V10, Off hand all I can think of is the governor, a different torque converter and not sure if the flexplate will work or not.

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    « Reply #14 on: May 9, 2013, 06:41:24 pm »
    I'd say the V-10 probably needs it's computer at least. I'm not 100% on the interchangeability between the V-10 and Cummins. Btw, I plan on doing a Ford HP60 front in mine. Already have my T-case. It is a divorced unit. But then again, NOTHING in my build is gonna just bolt together either....  :P
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    « Reply #15 on: May 9, 2013, 06:57:36 pm »
    I'd say the V-10 probably needs it's computer at least. I'm not 100% on the interchangeability between the V-10 and Cummins. Btw, I plan on doing a Ford HP60 front in mine. Already have my T-case. It is a divorced unit. But then again, NOTHING in my build is gonna just bolt together either....  :P

    I have the computer thing already planned out Using a megasquirt efi.

    What Ford axle are you going to use? I was looking at them but the spring perches do line up. Kinda looking for more bolt in though. Interested in how you are gonna build yours. Do share when you do.
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    « Reply #16 on: May 9, 2013, 08:08:06 pm »
    Well, was first thinking about a 4 link with panhard, but won't be doing any wheeling that serious. Decided I will probably have a friend fab up some brackets that mount on the spring pads with ubolts just like the leafs originally did. Then, I will build a radius arm that has an adjustment on the top axle links for caster correction. The slight binding characteristics usually mean better road manners. Will go with barrel style bushings for a smooth ride. Dunno if I will choose coils or coilovers. Coils are cheaper, but require more room than coilovers. Coilovers are easy to mess with spring rate and get a cushier ride. Leafs are doable, I would just have to fab the spring mounts appropriately, but am kinda wanting to go radius arm. Reading lots of info on it right now. My head hurts  {sick}
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    « Reply #17 on: May 9, 2013, 09:09:03 pm »
    lol I know how you feel. I was planning on a 4wd conversion on my 01 cummins. 5 link like the factory setup. Big thing was the springs. Decided on coilovers as well. Spent days on pirate. ugh. I still might do the 01. However the 85 will be easier and if this one goes good I might take on the more involved 01 swap.

    Tomorrow I should get more pix of the truck as well as finish paying it off.  ;D Hopefully my 518/205 lineup then all that is left is a D60 front. I will probably find like 5 of them, of course only when I dont have money. I need to time it so that I find one and have the funds stashed. LOL
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    « Reply #18 on: May 10, 2013, 03:13:56 am »
    Yep. That is life. Been on pirate as well reading, reading, reading about coilovers.  :P
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    « Reply #19 on: May 10, 2013, 04:45:54 pm »
    Paid it off today. Brought fluids. Tranny low. Water low. Added water let it run like 15 min. No issues. Good oil pressure. Cooling system built pressure. He said it overheated while idling so I think the clutch fan is going out. Tried the power steering put fluid and started working however sprayed fluid out the front of the gear box.

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    Re: 85 D350 Crew Cab Burlington Northern Truck
    « Reply #20 on: May 10, 2013, 06:11:46 pm »
    Driver side exh manifold has a threaded hole in the back without a plug making a bad exhaust leak. Feels like it is the same size as the plug in the front. Wanted to pull the front plug out and see if it fits in the back. Only thing the plug is a square recess that my 3/8 and 1/4 drive rachets wont fit. I think its 5/16. Any one know where to get square bit drives?


    Anyone have a recommendation for a gear box? Ones to stay away from?
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    « Reply #21 on: May 10, 2013, 06:49:23 pm »
    Did some researching, the part that is leaking is the housing end plug. Can it be replaced? might be easier then swapping in a whole new box.
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    « Reply #22 on: May 10, 2013, 08:07:15 pm »
    That hole may be something to do with the emissions air pump.
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    « Reply #23 on: May 10, 2013, 09:50:44 pm »
    I am pretty sure it does but it doesn't have any air pump on it. Possible all exh manifolds had the provisions for it. Same plug on the front of the driver side. Well I can't see the hole but it feels like its the same size.




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    « Reply #24 on: May 11, 2013, 03:46:23 am »
    It probably had some form of emissions control hooked to that area on it at one time if the motor is original. My 85 350 with the rochester carb'd 360 did. I can't remember if it had an air pump or if it was just hooked to a charcoal canister.  {think}
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    « Reply #25 on: May 11, 2013, 09:51:09 am »
    Ya know it might have had an air aspirator valve. Iirc a one way valve that used the negative pulses it the exhaust to draw air into the exh stream through that valve that drew air from the air cleaner. The orig air cleaner is gone so I don't know. 
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    « Reply #26 on: May 11, 2013, 07:45:58 pm »
    the holes in the back of the exhaust manifold is part of the AIR system, hooked into the smog pump and egr circuit, you can make a block off plate for it if you really need to, below the hole you should find a bolt hole, make the plate to clog the AIR port and bolt it in place as the original system would have done.
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    « Reply #27 on: May 12, 2013, 08:30:34 am »
    I just cut the tube and pinched it shut then tacked the edge. been holding for 13 year now. It was easier than building a plate, but I didnt really care how it looked, as long as it didnt leak. After all it the back of the manifold against the fire wall.
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    « Reply #28 on: May 12, 2013, 09:36:42 am »
    Nothing there. Just a hole. Previous owner had it plugged but it came out.
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    « Reply #29 on: May 12, 2013, 10:02:48 am »
    Well I guess that changes things a bit. Its been quite a few years, but if I remember correctly, the tube is inserted slightly and it has 1 bolt that holds it in. So at least there's a way to bolt on a little plate to seal it without having to tap threads. Or you could check around some JY's and get a set of tubes to modify them to plug it up, if parts are available. But if its threaded like the drivers side, easy fix. I just cant remember right now... I need to start sleeping more than 4 hours a night.

    You might just have to give in and pull the manifold to be able to access it. Obviously you will need a new gasket. As for the flange, its easiest to cut the 2 bolts and just use new ones. So it should only cost about 12 bucks or so and some time to pull, plug and replace. But it may save a ton of time trying to dick with it in such a restricted place.

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    « Reply #30 on: May 12, 2013, 10:55:44 am »
    Sorry its been bugging and I cant just leave it alone, but if it is anything like this pic, then it should be fairly easy... Depending on working space.

    Just find anything that will thread over or in and be done.

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    « Reply #31 on: May 12, 2013, 01:07:09 pm »
    Only thing is its the back side of the manifold. Can't see it but feels like the same size as the plug on the front of the driver side manifold. I can't get the plug out as it has some odd square size. My 3/8 and 1/4 inch ratchets won't fit. Should be an easy fix just was hoping to find a plug that just screws in
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    « Reply #32 on: May 12, 2013, 01:27:20 pm »

    You might just have to give in and pull the manifold to be able to access it. Obviously you will need a new gasket. As for the flange, its easiest to cut the 2 bolts and just use new ones. So it should only cost about 12 bucks or so and some time to pull, plug and replace. But it may save a ton of time trying to dick with it in such a restricted place.

    Just my thoughts.

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    « Reply #33 on: May 18, 2013, 11:59:16 am »
    Sorry its been bugging and I cant just leave it alone, but if it is anything like this pic, then it should be fairly easy... Depending on working space.

    Just find anything that will thread over or in and be done.

    Ended up taking the manifold off. Was a threaded hole. In your pic the part that the brass plug is screwed into is not there. Threads are a straight but a fine thread for the size. Found something that looks like a jic plug. threads in but not quite right. Just cranked it down and hopefully it will work. Heads have the air holes as well.
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    « Reply #34 on: May 18, 2013, 12:35:50 pm »
    That's strange about the gearing, I did see a cab/chassis truck that was being parted out with 4.88's it's hard to tell.

    I've seen a few 70s W300s with 4.88s...
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    « Reply #35 on: May 18, 2013, 02:03:04 pm »
    New gear box in. Of course the steering shaft joint came apart, Got a Borgeson shaft on order. At least the steering box is already set for cross over steering already.  ;D

    You can see the weld someone did to try to fix the end cap





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    New box in, just waiting on the shaft now.

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    « Reply #36 on: May 18, 2013, 02:14:47 pm »
    So the engine cross member bolts in?



    I cant picture a 4x4 cross member. What is different between them? Could the 2wd one be used or do I need to swap them out?


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    Re: 85 D350 Crew Cab Burlington Northern Truck
    « Reply #37 on: May 18, 2013, 03:18:28 pm »








    How big is that tank? I can't fit a saddle tank in my crew cab because of the carrier bearing mount. I need to flip it upside down to get one in.  :-\

    The entire crossmember (what the jack is on) needs to come out and the lower arms will come with it.. Cut the rivets heads and punch them out and bolt the 4x4 one in.  :)
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    Re: 85 D350 Crew Cab Burlington Northern Truck
    « Reply #38 on: May 18, 2013, 03:59:19 pm »
    You can see the bolts in this pic, the one I mean to post. lol The one of the front of the tank was just to show how clean it is and how dam long.



    According to the FSM it says iirc 30 or 34gal. The RC is the biggest the fsm listed at 35gal. When I get back there I can get more pics of the tank if needed.
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    « Reply #39 on: May 21, 2013, 11:47:55 pm »




    Does everyone's truck but mine have A/C??? And mine's a Royal SE! Some people have all the luck!     I'm really diggin' your Cashmere interior!

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    Re: 85 D350 Crew Cab Burlington Northern Truck
    « Reply #40 on: May 22, 2013, 01:51:45 am »
    Cashmere is the color name? Hmmm took the wife to go see it. Initially we had the idea of 2nd gen seats in it but she is kinda digging the front bench. Was told it didn't have ac. Was surprised when I opened the hood. Was dreading trying to swap ac in. At least the equipment is there.

    Steering shaft and new rag joint should be here Thursday.
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    Re: 85 D350 Crew Cab Burlington Northern Truck
    « Reply #41 on: May 23, 2013, 07:17:00 pm »
    Awesome crew! Love seeing progress on these rigs!

    Cashmere was actually only used through '82, after '83 it was just called "Tan" and is a bit darker than Cashmere (have an '84 or '85 door panel here and it's much darker than Cashmere). In '86 they went to Almond, which, if memory serves is a bit lighter than Tan.  ::)
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    Re: 85 D350 Crew Cab Burlington Northern Truck
    « Reply #42 on: May 25, 2013, 03:54:55 am »
    Wow gotta see what the color is then. I like the green color just havent dug out the fender tag, or actually the cowl tag.  :)


    Some progress, it is insured and licensed. Got the pitman arm installed by brace my feet and pull tight.  ::) Gotta buy a socket to use my torque wrench. Also need to take the steering shaft back off to paint it and to drill a little hole for the set screw on the shaft.

    Took it for a spin, about 10 miles worth. Rides like my 01 CTD 2wd. Still gotta fix the driver door. Figure the police might frown an a bungie cord holding it shut. Good enough to get home however. Not to fond of the brakes. IT srops but pedal doesnt feel right. It could be normal for the truck. Just need to check the brakes before I accept the pedal feel. Tranny shifts fine, engine has typical 1985 power.  8) All in all it drives fine except still no power steering. Had it at first but it went away as I drove it. Fluid is full. Figure I need to raise the front off the ground and try to bleed the system. I am guessing the system is air locked somehow. Oh there is a squeak in the column. Also the steering doesnt return to center. I am going to hope it is due to the lack of power steering. The column not sure it will go on my parts list of things to swap out.

    Been talking to the wife and plans were a V10 swap. Well she likes the simplicity of the crew. Carb, basic electronic ignition, no power windows nor locks. So she said I should go 12V.  :o Who am I to argue. We did agree the 89 RC needs the V10. WAY down the road though. LOL

    On the 12V how much of an improvement is then within the 2nd gen trucks. Thinking of trying to get 97-98ish 12V basically a P-pump version. I know 24 valves, cause that is what my other truck is. 12 valves are another world to me. Or should I just stick with a 91-93 12V? (Intercooled version)
    Also a lot of conversions I see involve firewall work. Is it required for a swap? Or is that just to use the later style harness? I want the later style column so I will probably end up doing that. I ask because if I can get a 2nd gen 12V, I wont exactly be able to graft in a firewall, well maybe.  ??? Dont have a 2nd gen diesel to see what all is there. I would like the sensors so I can run a dash tach. If I got a 2nd gen I would more then likely swap in the cluster as well.

    I will post pix later, rocker panels are crunched. Good time for integrated sliders

    Someone tell me what to do. I like the big tire low lift look along with the stretched wheel weel look. Like "Judge" and Elwenil's white RC.
    However being a LWD crew, the rockers will get ground friendly quickly. Thinking of running 37's but would 6" be enough? Was originally thinking 4" but like I said being a long wheel base and some areas out here, they would hit quickly.

    Truck overall is for a roadtrip camping rig. Wife and I been wanting to do an alaska camping trip. Found out Hackster is building a crew for the same thing. haha. So kinda following his lead. However thinking a utility bed for the back of mine as well as keeping it a long bed.

    So would 4" be worth while or would 6" overall be better for slightly improved breakover clearance. Now that I think about it, 6" would look better on a truck that long. So now would 37" fit with no rubbing at 6"?

    Over thing I am trying to preplan is I want to keep the tension style rear shackles for their load carrying ability. Thinking chevy 56" rears 6" lift with dropped hangers. Might build a same frame section under the main frame to drop the hangers in order to keep the tension shackle style.

    Ugh, sorry I am rambling again.  ::)
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    Re: 85 D350 Crew Cab Burlington Northern Truck
    « Reply #43 on: May 25, 2013, 08:19:06 am »
    ...love the truck and the build status...but...what was the original question? - my head is startin' to hurt  ;)  ;D.

    For starters, a 89-93 12v is essentially a 'bolt-in' - no firewall mods.  I'd keep it early 12v with the VE44 rotary pump just for the simplicity.  Same power levels can be had.  2nd gen tranny (47rh or re) is not necessary - the 1st gen 518 is plenty strong.  Depending on how heavy of loads you plan on towing you will need an upgraded torque converter.  But if it's not planning to tow much and just get itself around, the stock converter will be fine.

    4 inch exhaust is plenty big even for heavily modified engines (500+ hp).

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    Re: 85 D350 Crew Cab Burlington Northern Truck
    « Reply #44 on: May 25, 2013, 10:02:10 am »
    load carrying capacity of tension hangers? I am not sure how that works out as they are stamped steel and do cause a bit of a harsher ride. I would look into jungles hanger set, he makes them to bolt on, with the chevy springs, and at least one guy on here does sled pulling with his rig, commented that it had better ride quality with the factory style springs, and had no troubles hauling heavy. would maybe consider an alcan spring set with military style eyes if you are looking for heavy load capacity.
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    Re: 85 D350 Crew Cab Burlington Northern Truck
    « Reply #45 on: May 25, 2013, 11:39:39 am »
    LOL Yea about the firewall, it was mainly about the wiring harness and the heater box. hmmm  ok here is one thread I saw with a firewall mods Hacksters Crew Cab

    I have a line on a 93 cummins A518/np205  ;D
    So at moderate power levels, no reason to goto a P-pump. Like I said this is gonna be a camping rig. figured around 300-350hp will be enough for towing and playing. I am illiterate when it comes to 12V's. My 2nd gen however is a little more modded. 150hp injectors, Smarty, 62/65/12 turbo, 5" exhaust 4" downpipe. The 01 is getting a S472, hence the 5"exh and "smallish" turbo. At the twin install will probably upgrade to 200-250 injectors.

    The other was debating on how much lift with the 4wd conversion. I am pretty sure I am going 6" and hoping to get 37"s to fit, with some wheel well stretching.
    The lift decision was based on the rocker panels becoming sliders a lot sooner then other trucks due to it being a really long wheelbase truck.  :D

    As for the shackles the 2 differnet version being these:
    http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/desert-racing/655903-leaf-shackle-tension-vs-compression.html

    My 01 has tension style. The shackle is under the spring. Research has said this style is better for weight carrying. Jungles kit does the flip, compression.
    Posted the link to make sure I was explaining it right as well. To get some lift without drastic arch rear springs, thinking of combining the 56" chevy's with tension hangers lowered on the frame.
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    Re: 85 D350 Crew Cab Burlington Northern Truck
    « Reply #46 on: May 27, 2013, 02:19:21 pm »
    For 37's and the purpose you are building for I would probably go 6" of lift. That's what I have on my crew with 35's and I had 4" with 35's on my rc before and you're going to have to trim a bunch to do anything but mallcrawl with 4".
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    Re: 85 D350 Crew Cab Burlington Northern Truck
    « Reply #47 on: May 27, 2013, 09:15:09 pm »
    Thanks. So 6" it is.

    Brought the crew home after we got in town. New gear box still no power steering. However during the drive home the power steering started working. Might be bleeding itself out. Yay.

    Crew isn't as long as it looks. Only about 3' longer than my 01 qcsb ram. Wife's. jeep in front of the crew and the original door another he had for it and a hitch for it as well.



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    Re: 85 D350 Crew Cab Burlington Northern Truck
    « Reply #48 on: May 30, 2013, 11:33:34 am »
    Just some pics of me rocking the crew. Planning my plan of attack on what to do first. Figured as well to just look for a donor truck. I can get the engine and axle separately however I want the newer steering column so a donor wod be the best way.

    Looks good shiny. Also a cameo appearance of my 01 and the rc is in the back ground. Can't see it but the rc is a bit dirty from this weekend.


    Doesn't fit in a parking spot at work. Lol


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    Re: 85 D350 Crew Cab Burlington Northern Truck
    « Reply #49 on: May 30, 2013, 06:36:20 pm »
     {cool}
    I'd rather push a DODGE than drive a chevy or a ford!!!!!!
    77 400/727 RC
    79 360/727 RC
    80 318/435 TD
    93 CTD W250 club cab
    73 Charger SE 400/727 
    02 883R HD
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    2000 CTD 5 speed ext cab short bed Wife's truck
    2002 Durango work beater
    2000 Durango blown head gaskets
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