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77 Trail Duster 440- On going project- AzTrailduster
« on: November 4, 2018, 02:37:37 pm »
In 2007, when gas prices were close to $5.00/gal. I stopped driving my 77 Trail Duster. It gets 6 MPG.  While it sat for 11 years, pack rats moved in, mostly on top of the gas tank, and transfercase. I left the hood open to discourage nesting, but that lead to other problems, like sun rotted plastics. 5 years ago, I started working on it, but the reverse band in the transmission broke while driving it around the yard. So the project went on hold.

A few months ago I decided to get to work on it again. I replaced all the brake hydraulics, replaced and belts and hoses,  got the transmission rebuilt, repaired wire damage caused by rats, and more.

Last week I drove it for the first time in years, and got it registered. The project is ongoing, with a lot to do. Some things in the near future are under hood heat control (header wrap, and other heat shielding). Carburetor modifications to help the Carter AFB perform better off road.  More wire repairs under the dash, rats got in there too. Interior improvements, carpet, seats.  4 inch lift and 35 inch tires.
There are a few small dents in the body I will have to repair if I want to paint. I like the Medium green sunfire metalis, with a white roof. Their will be more.
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    Re: 77 Trail Duster 440- On going project- AzTrailduster
    « Reply #1 on: November 4, 2018, 03:17:14 pm »
    Good looking TD!!!!!!
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    Re: 77 Trail Duster 440- On going project- AzTrailduster
    « Reply #2 on: November 4, 2018, 05:12:09 pm »
    Thank you.
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    Re: 77 Trail Duster 440- On going project- AzTrailduster
    « Reply #3 on: November 5, 2018, 03:54:13 pm »
    Today I changed the rear differential oil, replaced the door lock cylinders,and  replaced the horn.
    Steve
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    Re: 77 Trail Duster 440- On going project- AzTrailduster
    « Reply #4 on: November 6, 2018, 04:17:48 pm »
    Good deal I love stories like this!  ;D
    I'd rather push a DODGE than drive a chevy or a ford!!!!!!
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    Re: 77 Trail Duster Sport 440- On going project- AzTrailduster
    « Reply #5 on: November 18, 2018, 09:06:14 pm »
    Fixed the radio today. Rats had chewed through several wires. Power, speaker, and antenna wires all chewed up. Replaced the antenna. Will need to get some new speakers, but good enough for now.

    Also replaced my old fiberglass CB antenna with a stainless steel whip antenna. The gel coat on the old antenna had deteriorated, and glass fibers were exposed, and coming off.
    Will have to put the CB back in. I wish I would have kept the old 8 track AM/FM/CB that it had when I bought it. I replaced that 20 years ago with a CD player.

    Put a new K&N filter on it today. The old one was damaged by the sun, I had the hood open for years to keep the rats from nesting on the engine. I put a cheap paper filter, in the original housing, on it to get it running.

    Found an exhaust leak, on a header collector gasket. Ordered some Percy's aluminum header and collector gaskets. Will remove the headers, paint, wrap, and replace gaskets soon.

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    Re: 77 Trail Duster 440- On going project- AzTrailduster
    « Reply #6 on: November 21, 2018, 04:44:12 pm »
    Replaced drivers side window regulator, and door window seals, both sides.
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    Re: 77 Trail Duster 440- On going project- AzTrailduster
    « Reply #7 on: November 26, 2018, 08:38:03 pm »
    Was going to wrap the headers, but decided not to after reading about premature header failure due to wrap.  painted the passenger side header, gave up on the drivers side.
    Replaced the collector and header gaskets with aluminum gaskets. My collector leak is gone, but now I have leaks at the header gasket. To be fair to the gasket, I didn't follow the directions exactly. I did not flat file my headers. Ordered some new Headman gaskets, I never had a problem with the old gaskets.

    Replaced the starter with a mini starter. Had to run new wires to the starter, the terminals are a little farther away. I had the header out of the way, and the old started had a hard time turning when hot, so it seemed like a good time to upgrade.  The mini starter does spin fast.

    Replaced the motor mounts.  They were flattened, and I had them loose to get the header out.

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    Re: 77 Trail Duster 440- On going project- AzTrailduster
    « Reply #8 on: November 27, 2018, 02:39:33 pm »
    Have been having trouble starting. When cranking, it would not fire until I let go of the key, and then it was intermittent.  So, I needed to take a look at the starter ignition  circuit.  Disconnected battery ground. Measured the resistance from battery +, to the ballast resistor, the terminal with 2 wires. When the key was in the starter position, I got 50 ohms, in the run position, 1 ohm.
    Next moved the probe from the resistor to  pin 24 on the bulkhead feedthrough. Found that wire to be very loose. Seated it in better, and now get 1 ohm when starting. Now with the new mini starter, it starts instantly.

    My bulkhead feedthrough is in terrible shape, I need to replace all the insulators involved. It's too bad the going price on the bulkhead feedthrough, insulator only, is over $200.
    I have not yet found a source of the insulators that plug in to the bulkhead. I will eventually need to find a replacement.
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    Re: 77 Trail Duster 440- On going project- AzTrailduster
    « Reply #9 on: November 30, 2018, 10:22:39 am »
    Nice project! You're basically a neighbor (I'm in Mesa, Las Sendas/Red Mountain area) so I'll make sure to keep an eye out for your rig.

    When I did my 78 and 79, the wiring was terrible. On my 79, I ended up going with a full Painless Wiring harness and custom bulkhead connector and it added a great bit of reliability.
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    Re: 77 Trail Duster 440- On going project- AzTrailduster
    « Reply #10 on: December 4, 2018, 02:19:29 pm »
    pc1p
    Thanks. I'm in the Superstition foothills. May be I'll see you in the Bulldog canyon OHV area some day. I'm almost ready to take it for a drive in the desert.

    I'm  still thinking about my wiring options. It all works for now. I bought a mil spec 47 pin cannon connector I may use. Or I may just feed the wires through a grommet, feedthrough boot, like they do on new cars.  I was thinking of just making my own harness, using marine grade wire. It seems to be much better quality when compared to automotive wire.

    So, for now I will just clean and grease the connections, and may be bypass the amp meter. This will be a project for when I have more energy.

    I fixed my exhaust leaks, at the header gaskets. I no longer smell like exhaust after driving the truck.

     I am back to the Headman fiber gaskets, with some high temp copper rtv.  There seems to be a ridge on the upper edge of the cylinder head, that interferes with the seating of the header. I seem to have the leaks sealed. If I ever pull the heads, I will address the ridge if I reuse the heads.

    Also working on cargo storage. I was looking at wheel well tool boxes, to store my jack and other tools. All the affordable boxed seem to be made with thin aluminum.
    I settled on a Czech military surplus wood crate, that will fit behind the back seat.
    https://www.sportsmansguide.com/product/index/czech-military-surplus-gun-storage-box-used?a=2109226
    This has room for recovery gear, and spare parts.
    I will attach some "D" rings to the floor for ratchet straps. In the wheel well spaces, I will put some Jerry can holders.
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    Re: 77 Trail Duster Sport 440- On going project- AzTrailduster
    « Reply #11 on: December 5, 2018, 07:34:42 pm »

    Found an exhaust leak, on a header collector gasket. Ordered some Percy's aluminum header and collector gaskets. Will remove the headers, paint, wrap, and replace gaskets soon.

    Steve
    Good to see you get it back on the road!
    A cheaper and way better fix on the collectors is using Ultra Copper High Temp Silicone.
    Put a small bead of it on a clean flange surface.
    Let it semi dry for a few hours- bolt them up.
    I do this on my header copper gaskets. Except I let it dry overnight. No more exhaust leaks ever.
    I would suggest not wrap your headers. Paint them with VHT header paint. When they start looking a little rough... touch up the paint. Just mask a little around the area you need to redo. I've been doing this for quite awhile. Cheap and it works really good...

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    Re: 77 Trail Duster 440- On going project- AzTrailduster
    « Reply #12 on: December 5, 2018, 09:59:35 pm »
    Kurt,
    I decided not to wrap after I read a lot of bad reports of premature failure after wrapping. The aluminum collector gaskets sealed great. The aluminum header gaskets leaked. I went back to the fiber Headman gaskets, with some copper RTV. No more leaks.

    Next will be tuning the carburetor. I have a Edelbrock strip kit on the way here.  I need to lean the mixture a bit. My plugs are black, and the truck stinks.

    Steve
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    Re: 77 Trail Duster 440- On going project- AzTrailduster
    « Reply #13 on: December 6, 2018, 12:01:24 am »
    Kurt,
    I decided not to wrap after I read a lot of bad reports of premature failure after wrapping. The aluminum collector gaskets sealed great. The aluminum header gaskets leaked. I went back to the fiber Headman gaskets, with some copper RTV. No more leaks.

    Next will be tuning the carburetor. I have a Edelbrock strip kit on the way here.  I need to lean the mixture a bit. My plugs are black, and the truck stinks.

    Steve
    I don't think your truck stinks.  ;D
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    Re: 77 Trail Duster 440- On going project- AzTrailduster
    « Reply #14 on: December 7, 2018, 10:01:21 pm »
    It stinks. I don't know how we could breath back in the 1960s and 70s, when most cars stunk. I am tempted to install catalytic converters, just to make it smell better. But, I will start with carb tuning.  It just runs rich. Also, I'm not sure if my spark plug fowling is from running rich, or oil, probably both. There is no smoke in the exhaust.

    My tuning kit arrived today, so Sunday I will start with a larger metering rod. I have a Carter AFB 9636SA, 625 cfm. I got an Edelbrock 1405 (600cfm) strip kit. The jets and metering rods about the correct size, with the factory jet size in the middle of the assortment. The original Carter kits cost around 10x the price of the Edelbrock, if you can find one.
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    Re: 77 Trail Duster 440- On going project- AzTrailduster
    « Reply #15 on: December 7, 2018, 10:45:19 pm »
    Carb tuning is a good thing to learn.
    Be patient and just change one thing at a time.
    It is well worth the effort.
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    Re: 77 Trail Duster 440- On going project- AzTrailduster
    « Reply #16 on: December 8, 2018, 03:17:49 am »
    changes is gasoline and cat converters is when auto's really began to stink , an objectionable smell  , one that runs well stinks less no matter the type of fuel delivery system .
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    Re: 77 Trail Duster 440- On going project- AzTrailduster
    « Reply #17 on: December 8, 2018, 09:41:16 am »
    I hear ya @AzTrailduster - that "old car stink" was once something I loved, but now it's nauseating. Maybe that's the sign that I'm getting old (I even prefer quieter pipes on my Harley, so I know I'm getting older!).

    Even properly tuned on a dyno, my 66 Mustang had quite the smell. The same as my 78 RamCharger. Ironically, my 79 D200 didn't smell due to the fact that I was required to run a catalytic converter. Nowadays, I love fuel injection for its reliability and for keeping catalytic converters happy for a long time. When we run the Jeeps, I love seeing classic iron on the trails, particularly old flat fenders and CJ-5's, but there's a reason we keep them at the back :)
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    Re: 77 Trail Duster 440- On going project- AzTrailduster
    « Reply #18 on: December 8, 2018, 09:39:14 pm »
    Well my truck assaults all your senses... and I'm glad for that.  ;D
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    Re: 77 Trail Duster 440- On going project- AzTrailduster
    « Reply #19 on: December 9, 2018, 03:04:31 pm »
    The primary jets were larger than original, @ 101, replaced with 98.  Metering rods were original, 70/60, changed to 73/52.
    That seems to have worked.  ;D

    Hopefully that will give a leaner cruise, and a bit of enrichment on acceleration. My plugs were black. Now, after a short drive around the neighborhood, they look good, tan.

    I also lowered the floats, and added a restriction to the channel that connects the two bowls. This will hopefully help it run better at extreme angles. I need to rework that, I used silicon tubing, and apparently silicon is not good to use with gas.

    As for the stink, I think it has improved, time will tell.
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    Re: 77 Trail Duster 440- On going project- AzTrailduster
    « Reply #20 on: December 9, 2018, 04:36:48 pm »
    some folks can TUNE a carb by the smell of the exhaust , yeah black plugs .. that rich makes lots of stink :)
    78 to 93 parts trucks
    91 w250 318 518 44/60 single 9 foot driveway plow locked
    87w150 44/corp727 kandy w/ ghost bats/summer
    86-D/W100 44/corp/318mag/carb/4500/aka shit box/winter
    93w150short/44/corp/360/le/mag "caddie"
    93w250LB51844/60posi 318"New Truck"
    93w350 6 tire CC 60 c/a flat bed dump

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    Re: 77 Trail Duster 440- On going project- AzTrailduster
    « Reply #21 on: December 9, 2018, 11:57:37 pm »
    some folks can TUNE a carb by the smell of the exhaust , yeah black plugs .. that rich makes lots of stink :)
    What is referred to here in California... unburned hydrocarbons.
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    Re: 77 Trail Duster 440- On going project- AzTrailduster
    « Reply #22 on: December 10, 2018, 02:18:26 am »
    is that the same as folks do to fish ?
    78 to 93 parts trucks
    91 w250 318 518 44/60 single 9 foot driveway plow locked
    87w150 44/corp727 kandy w/ ghost bats/summer
    86-D/W100 44/corp/318mag/carb/4500/aka shit box/winter
    93w150short/44/corp/360/le/mag "caddie"
    93w250LB51844/60posi 318"New Truck"
    93w350 6 tire CC 60 c/a flat bed dump

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    Re: 77 Trail Duster 440- On going project- AzTrailduster
    « Reply #23 on: December 10, 2018, 11:04:55 am »
    is that the same as folks do to fish ?
    Kinda like fish.
    It's the smell that get's into your clothes.  ;D
    500 c.i.- Scat Crank, Scat Rods, Indy Aluminum heads, Comp XR280HR Cam, Six-Pack, Milodon 8 qt. Pan, 727  (reverse-manual, low band apply, 5 clutch disc, 3 qt. xtra. pan), N.P. 205, Ford 9" rear axle (4:11, 31 spline axles, Detroit Locker, converted/ disc brakes). Dana 44 front (converted/ disc, 4:10, Tru-Trac limited slip). Hydra Boost Brake Booster, Gear Vendors OD. 600+ ft. lbs. of torque

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    Re: 77 Trail Duster 440- On going project- AzTrailduster
    « Reply #24 on: December 11, 2018, 05:11:52 pm »
    Still working on carburetor tuning. Went to .101 jets on the primary and secondary. And to 75/47 metering rods. This should be 3% leaner on the cruise step  and 33% richer on the  power step relative to the factory jetting . So far seems good, spark plugs are grey and white, seems to have more power, and no black smoke on hard acceleration.
    I connected a vacuum gauge to determine when the power step kicks in, and I have to floor the pedal to increase manifold vacuum pressure above 5 in/Hg. So the power step won't be used very often.

    I found a Carter AFB 10-201 strip kit for a reasonable price. When I get it, I will have more of an assortment of jets and rods to try.

    Steve
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    Re: 77 Trail Duster 440- On going project- AzTrailduster
    « Reply #25 on: December 31, 2018, 10:44:40 am »
    Ordered my 4 inch Rough country lift, with rear springs, a few days ago, from Rocky mountain suspension. Waiting for it to ship.  Also ordered some 12 ton jack stands, that are 28 inches high, to help with the installation.

    Then I will be able to get 35 inch tires in the next year. My 33 inch Micky Thompsons are 10 years old. The rubber is still soft, no cracking, plenty of tread. But, I hear that 10 years is the safe life of a tire.

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    Re: 77 Trail Duster 440- On going project- AzTrailduster
    « Reply #26 on: January 1, 2019, 01:26:43 pm »
    Ordered my 4 inch Rough country lift, with rear springs, a few days ago, from Rocky mountain suspension. Waiting for it to ship.  Also ordered some 12 ton jack stands, that are 28 inches high, to help with the installation.

    Then I will be able to get 35 inch tires in the next year. My 33 inch Micky Thompsons are 10 years old. The rubber is still soft, no cracking, plenty of tread. But, I hear that 10 years is the safe life of a tire.

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    Re: 77 Trail Duster 440- On going project- AzTrailduster
    « Reply #27 on: January 1, 2019, 02:06:39 pm »
    PC1P,
    Thanks for the offer. I assume the new kits are made in China? They haven't shipped it yet, but it's probably too late to cancel the order. I don't know what the differences in the kits are, they have a lot of specific model and year kits.

    I took the Trailduster to the Bulldog canyon OHV area for a real quick ride in the mud.
    I wanted to get some pictures of the snow on the mountains, but the clouds kept covering it. The best picture I got, of the snow, was from my yard.







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    Re: 77 Trail Duster 440- On going project- AzTrailduster
    « Reply #28 on: January 1, 2019, 02:38:47 pm »
    Great pics & thank you for sharing!!!
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    « Reply #29 on: January 2, 2019, 09:36:30 am »
    PC1P,
    Thanks for the offer. I assume the new kits are made in China? They haven't shipped it yet, but it's probably too late to cancel the order. I don't know what the differences in the kits are, they have a lot of specific model and year kits.

    Nice pics!! 13 years and I can't get enough AZ scenery...

    If you can cancel, send me a PM. These are North American sourced steel and made in Canada (per Rough Country's most experienced rep that I could speak to on the phone). Current springs are Chinese/Indian sourced steel and China/India made.
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    Re: 77 Trail Duster 440- On going project- AzTrailduster
    « Reply #30 on: January 3, 2019, 12:03:25 am »
    Nice pictures indeed!
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    Re: 77 Trail Duster 440- On going project- AzTrailduster
    « Reply #31 on: January 3, 2019, 05:22:18 am »
    Thank you.
    The lift kit was shipped yesterday.  I will get 5 boxes Friday, and one Monday. Don't know when I will have time to install it.
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    Re: 77 Trail Duster 440- On going project- AzTrailduster
    « Reply #32 on: January 6, 2019, 04:45:16 pm »
    Thank you.
    The lift kit was shipped yesterday.  I will get 5 boxes Friday, and one Monday. Don't know when I will have time to install it.
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    Re: 77 Trail Duster 440- On going project- AzTrailduster
    « Reply #33 on: January 6, 2019, 07:02:18 pm »
    Ahh. The ol' got the money... no time.
    Or no money... lots of time syndrome.

    Ha Ha I have a lack of both............   :P
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    « Reply #34 on: January 6, 2019, 09:03:52 pm »
    The delivery of my kit was delayed until monday evening. That's 2 of my 4 days off wasted.  That may kill my chance if installing it this week. {hammer}

    Got my GIANT 12 ton jack stands. I will spray the hardware with penetrating oil tomorrow. I won't stat to remove the old parts until I'm sure that I have all the new parts.
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    « Reply #35 on: January 7, 2019, 01:53:33 pm »

    The GIANT Big Red 12 ton jack stands, next to 6 and 3 ton stands.


    The need for a lift.



    Looks like I had some tire rubbing last week on my very mild off road drive. This was the first off road drive, other than in my yard, since I put on the 33 inch Micky Thompson Baja MTZ tires . Before these I always had BFG AT, 33 inch tires and never had a problem.
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    Re: 77 Trail Duster 440- On going project- AzTrailduster
    « Reply #36 on: January 7, 2019, 04:29:45 pm »
    different rim offset? tire swings wider on their pivot points, the ball joints ?
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    « Reply #37 on: January 7, 2019, 05:13:40 pm »
    The backspace is the same as the stock wheels, if I remember correctly. I never measured the offset. 

     I got these tires and wheels from a friend who went to 35 inch tires on his Jeep, after the old BFG's dry rotted and collapsed, while the truck was sitting in long term storage.

    I will be lifting it soon, so that will give them some space.  In a year or so I will get 35 inch tires, and may new wheels, or I will go back to the stock chrome spoke 15x8  wheels.

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    Re: 77 Trail Duster 440- On going project- AzTrailduster
    « Reply #38 on: January 8, 2019, 01:20:03 am »
    backspacing/offset , yeah I get confused , not paying attention ... stock measured from the tire's mount of the rim , to the face that sets on the rotor/hub is 4.50 ( with a tape measure ) most wider rims make that 1/2 inch more while making the rim a few inches wider , so they shift the tire outward ... widening the "swing" so the same tires on different rims now hit stuff ...   
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    « Reply #39 on: January 8, 2019, 10:17:33 am »
    I will check it again when I have the wheels off to install the lift. That won't be done this week. I got most of the lift kit yesterday, but the steering block has not been shipped yet.
    Rough country is out of stock, so Rocky Mountain is sending a Super lift block.  The kit doesn't seem to come with the front frame shackle bushing, so I will order those. I will also order sway bar bushings, but that can wait.
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    Re: 77 Trail Duster 440- On going project- AzTrailduster
    « Reply #40 on: January 9, 2019, 02:28:15 pm »
    Started removing the rear leaf springs. Had to cut the U bolts off. Having trouble getting the front bolt out. It seems to be stuck to the bushing sleeve, and the sleeve has separated from the rubber. There is not much room to swing a hammer to push it out, and the head side of the bolt has to pass through a hole in the frame, that is above the crossmember.That's enough for today, I will get back to this later.
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    Re: 77 Trail Duster 440- On going project- AzTrailduster
    « Reply #41 on: January 9, 2019, 03:57:30 pm »
    ALWAYS cut the axle U-bolts off.  You can't reuse them, so there is no point in fighting with them.
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    Re: 77 Trail Duster 440- On going project- AzTrailduster
    « Reply #42 on: January 9, 2019, 08:05:30 pm »
    I modified a cheap HF ball joint puller with a grinder to remove the front bolt.




    The screw was a little short, so at first I used a 1/4 inch socket to extend it, then a bolt, with a counter sunk hole in the head to push it out the rest of the way.

    Got it out without too much struggle!  ;D

    I never had a use for that puller anyway.

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    Re: 77 Trail Duster 440- On going project- AzTrailduster
    « Reply #43 on: January 9, 2019, 08:14:47 pm »
    ALWAYS cut the axle U-bolts off.  You can't reuse them, so there is no point in fighting with them.

    It wasn't a big fight. My impact wrench got two of the eight nuts off. Then the grinder came out, and they were off in about a minute.
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    Re: 77 Trail Duster 440- On going project- AzTrailduster
    « Reply #44 on: January 10, 2019, 03:39:20 pm »
    The rear spring eye bolts were the hardest part of my lift. The front spring eye bolts came out easy.
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    « Reply #45 on: January 13, 2019, 04:41:20 pm »
    Removed the rear passenger  side spring, bolts came out with no problems. The shackle bushings need replacement.  Putting the lift on hold for a week, while I wait for parts.
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    Re: 77 Trail Duster 440- On going project- AzTrailduster
    « Reply #46 on: January 14, 2019, 11:47:57 am »
    I modified a cheap HF ball joint puller with a grinder to remove the front bolt.




    The screw was a little short, so at first I used a 1/4 inch socket to extend it, then a bolt, with a counter sunk hole in the head to push it out the rest of the way.

    Got it out without too much struggle!  ;D

    I never had a use for that puller anyway.

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    « Reply #47 on: January 14, 2019, 01:24:54 pm »
     at some point some youngster will LOOK at all that "junk" in your tool box and give you a "look" like oh you poor fella .... little does he know ..... had that happen a few times ....  LOL nice tool to keep !!!!
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    Re: 77 Trail Duster 440- On going project- AzTrailduster
    « Reply #48 on: January 17, 2019, 04:52:01 pm »
    Got one spring in. They are a bit more work than coil springs. That 160 ft/lb torque on the leaf spring bolts is a bit of work, especially since I hurt my shoulder back in October when I removed the transmission.  I will have to rework my home made dual exhaust. One of these days I will take it to a muffler shop and have them make me a nice exhaust system.



    The pack rats are starting to poke around under the truck, ran into some cholla in the frame, were there was none when I removed the spring. Time to put out the traps!
    I need to finish this as fast as I can.
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    Re: 77 Trail Duster 440- On going project- AzTrailduster
    « Reply #49 on: January 17, 2019, 10:12:48 pm »
    Four jack stands, a bottle jack, a floor jack, a transmission jack, and a stack of wood.  You, my friend, know how to roll when it comes to getting things done.   ;D ;D ;D
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