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« on: May 20, 2016, 11:27:15 pm »
I bought this truck about two years ago. It's always been a dream of mine to restore a bad ass old truck, so I started looking for one. Originally I was looking for a square body chevy, but they're too common. I found my power wagon and had to have it. 1978 macho, with the original 400. I picked it up, and enjoyed it. I could tell it needed some work, so I did what I needed to get it on the road. Mostly just exhaust, tires, starter, alternator, and some other odds and ends. I did some light wheeling with it, and daily drove it for a bit. Never beat on it too hard because I knew she was tired. The thing couldn't even attempt a brake stand without chugging out and stalling. I love it tho. It chugs along, and has served me well. Even in -40 Celsius, I've driven it. So fast forward to today. I've been working very hard to put myself somewhere good in life. I got a great job that I'm only advancing in, and I can finally afford to do some things to the truck. I picked up a cheap daily driver, and parked the truck. Fortunately my work gives me some huge resources for this build. I'm a corrosion specialist for RBX Protective Coatings International. Basically I spray bedliner, and other poly urea products. I also do body work there. I have a hoist, a sand blaster, and all the tools in the world. I want to document my restoration, so I've chosen to do it here. It seems to be a good dodge forum, and I need to be in contact with some people who know restos better than I do. I have big plans for this truck, and hope to get it into a big car show next year. So without further adeu, here's my build thread.

Here's my truck before I parked it. It's a 1978 macho power wagon. Regular cab short box. It's got a 400 big block with an edlebrock air cleaner, carb, and carb spacer on the intake side of things, and 3 inch dual exhaust with twin flowmaster super 40's. That seems to be the only engine mods right now. It's got a good condition 727 tranny with a b&m star shifter, front dana 44 with Detroit lockers, rear 9.25, running 4.10's. Rolling on 35" general grabbers.




I started tear down 2 weeks ago. Unfortunately I don't have a ton of time to devote to it, so I work on it when I can. My first goal was to get the box off. The rear mounts are gone, so the truck has a major case of floppy box.




Looks like I'll need to do some work to the box. New box sides, and a bit of metal welded in the underside should have it ready. I'll be soda blasting any rust off of it before welding in new pieces. Then it will be ready for prime.

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    Re: 1978 macho build. Mean green
    « Reply #1 on: May 20, 2016, 11:29:32 pm »
    Ripping apart the front end went well. Pretty much just surface rust. A fender needs to be replaced because some drunk smashed his mom's rendezvous into it. I need a fender, and the suv was written off lol.


    Pulled the rad cradle out last, and built a nice pile for the soda blaster. I'll get started on that soon enough.


    This is the end of day one. I got a good portion of the truck stripped down. Next the motor comes out.

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    « Reply #2 on: May 20, 2016, 11:30:58 pm »
    I pulled the motor out on Sunday. Came out nicely. I'm going to rebuild it myself I think. I haven't built a motor myself since high school, but if I was able to do it back then, I'm sure I can handle it now. Aside of any mill work it might need. I'm not looking for huge power out of this thing. I just want it running strong, and reliable. A factory rebuild. Sorry to disappoint[emoji14]


    Soon the frame will be stripped. I'll take the suspension and diffs off after that, and sand blast everything, throw some primer on, and paint. I have a buddy building me some trusses for the diffs. I don't understand why more people don't do it. The diff is one of the first things you see on a jacked up truck. Why not make it look absolutely filthy, and even more solid and durable?

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    Re: 1978 macho build. Mean green
    « Reply #3 on: May 20, 2016, 11:32:30 pm »
    I really haven't accomplished much, but I did stay up till 330am on a Tuesday to drive all around the province to be awarded with these. I can't wait to shred my diffs. Chromoly axles at some point in the future might be a wise investment.



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    Re: 1978 macho build. Mean green
    « Reply #4 on: May 21, 2016, 07:45:30 am »
     {popcorn} {popcorn}


    Welcome... oh wow I'm going to enjoy this!


    If you're in the south of the province close to the border, do what I did with getting a PO box down at the crossing. It will save you a ton on shipping and other charges when shipping parts up.

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    « Reply #5 on: May 21, 2016, 08:03:24 am »
    Welcome aboard. Should be fun. ;D

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    Re: 1978 macho build. Mean green
    « Reply #6 on: May 21, 2016, 08:56:00 am »
    That reminds me of my dads old 78. We called it the old green dodge.

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    « Reply #7 on: May 21, 2016, 03:16:59 pm »
     nice truck  love the 78 grille

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    « Reply #8 on: May 22, 2016, 09:54:37 am »
    Thanks guys. I'll update you on where I'm at now on it. I'm going to work on it today for a bit I think. Anyways, 2 weeks ago I stripped the inside of the cab and discovered something I didn't want to see. My cab is toast! I mean, I could fix it, but I don't have a very good welder, and it's alot of work. Just incase, I got a more experienced auto body guy to have a look at it, and he said I'm better off finding a new cab. So, I been looking. I finally came across a cab sitting on a truck frame out in the country. The price is right, and it only needs the floor on the driver side, which happens to be minty on my current cab. So I'm gonna pick that up as soon as I can. Here's a couple pics of my toasted cab.






    In other news, I finally found a grill. My grill sacrificed it's life to take a Buick rendezvous off the road last summer. Long story short, I watched a drunk idiot get into his rendezvous, and spin a couple donuts right into the corner of my truck. I lost my grill, bumper, and fender, but he wrote his mom's suv off. I found this new grill for only $70 just a half hour away!


    I'll hopefully get my old cab off today. That way I'll be that much closer to sand blasting the frame, suspension, and diffs. My sand blaster leaves a nice profile on the metal. Very good surface for paint. Do you guys recommend a specific chassis paint that is extremely durable, and rust proof?

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    Re: 1978 macho build. Mean green
    « Reply #9 on: May 22, 2016, 10:05:11 am »
    {popcorn} {popcorn}


    Welcome... oh wow I'm going to enjoy this!


    If you're in the south of the province close to the border, do what I did with getting a PO box down at the crossing. It will save you a ton on shipping and other charges when shipping parts up.

    Mark.
    I've kind of thought about that, but I have to get a passport first. I haven't ever left Canada :p

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    « Reply #10 on: May 22, 2016, 06:15:27 pm »
    I started ripping the motor apart today. I pulled the exhaust manifold off, and found coolant leaking out one of the studs. From what I've gathered it's fairly normal


    Got the valve covers off, and the intake manifold too. It looks fairly nice inside. 8 got my fingers crossed that it keeps looking that nice.






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    « Reply #11 on: May 22, 2016, 06:22:12 pm »
    Shoot! That's not bad.

    As for the passport, do it man. The first time you pay $80-100 extra for the privilege of a small part to come across the border, amd realize it only gets worse, you'll be happy to have one. No luxury of that in Nova Scotia anymore, as the closest one is 7 hours drive from here, but keeping tabs on expenses, I've found 25-30% of my money goes into extra shipping... because you know... Canada seems to be half a world away. Just some food for thought.

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    « Reply #12 on: May 29, 2016, 04:37:40 pm »
    Today I finally got the heads off her. I had no idea just how big those pistons were! The cylinder walls look to be in great condition. Next step, I'll break it down even more and get the Pistons out and get ready for crank removal.





    The heads look good too.




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    « Reply #13 on: May 29, 2016, 04:44:30 pm »
    You should find a good set of 906 heads. Do some light port work and run around 9.0-9.5 compression. Basically build a 69 spec 440.

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    « Reply #14 on: May 29, 2016, 04:47:34 pm »
    I just realized you have a 400. I would still build it around 9.0:1 and run a Mopar purple shaft cam in the .460-.480 lift range. A .484 lift with decent compression and some good port work will do amazing things.

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    « Reply #15 on: May 30, 2016, 08:12:53 am »
    Great start! Some considerations, one ton axles and stroker Kit?
    The "experts" are great at telling you what you can't do. Don't let someone else's opinion be your limiting factor.

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    « Reply #16 on: May 30, 2016, 08:16:31 am »
    Great start! Some considerations, one ton axles and stroker Kit?
    I was gonna do the 1 ton axles but I don't think I'll bother right now. Maybe down the road, but I'm not planning on abusing it too much. We'll see how nicely those tires treat my axles.

    I have a question about cams. My local speed shop told me that since it's an automatic and it relies so much on vacuum pressure, that a cam wouldn't be a good idea. They said I would want a standard transmission for a cam. I've never heard of that before. Do you guys have some ideas on that?

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    « Reply #17 on: May 30, 2016, 11:15:07 am »
    Is this a mainly GM speed shop? I am not aware of any engine vac needed or going to operate a dodge 727 transmission at all. Some gm auto trans us engine vac to operate the shift points. maybe a mopar 727 guru will expand on the vac ? a bit. Looks like you have a good build going on there. Good luck with it. ==sheriff==
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    « Reply #18 on: May 30, 2016, 05:47:56 pm »
     I think what they're saying is that if you run too much cam then you will need a high stall converter to get the engine making power faster. That and your power brakes rely on engine vacuum. That being said you can run a modern, aftermarket cam that will run better than stock, sound good and still have low rpm torque and run your power brakes. Hughes cams and the Lunati VooDoo series are some that take advantage of the Mopar big lifter diameter and will be a dual pattern cam. Getting the compression up on that 400 will make a world of difference as well.
    The "experts" are great at telling you what you can't do. Don't let someone else's opinion be your limiting factor.

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    « Reply #19 on: May 30, 2016, 08:42:25 pm »
    I think what they're saying is that if you run too much cam then you will need a high stall converter to get the engine making power faster. That and your power brakes rely on engine vacuum. That being said you can run a modern, aftermarket cam that will run better than stock, sound good and still have low rpm torque and run your power brakes. Hughes cams and the Lunati VooDoo series are some that take advantage of the Mopar big lifter diameter and will be a dual pattern cam. Getting the compression up on that 400 will make a world of difference as well.
    Which cam would you recommend for pretty much just sound? I'm not super interested in crazy horsepower, or turning it into even more of a beast on fuel. I'm looking more for dependability and strength. If I could get that lumpy rumble only, that would do the trick for me

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    « Reply #20 on: May 30, 2016, 08:46:31 pm »
    For what it's worth, if you call up Hughes, and talk to them about what you're planning on doing, they can give you some really honest recommendations that will help. When I was planning on stroking the 360 to a 408, Dave had no issues chatting over things for a good period of time until I had all the questions answered. No pressure, no rush, just some really great advice.
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    « Reply #21 on: May 30, 2016, 08:56:24 pm »
    Thank you. Will I need to do any valvetrain work to it, to run a cam? Or will the factory gear do the trick

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    « Reply #22 on: May 31, 2016, 01:25:09 am »
    I'm running a .509 lift Mopar purpleshaft cam with stock valve train. I do have heavier valve springs but stock rocker arms and shafts. You can run up to about .474 with stock springs etc. a cam in that lift range will give it a good sound, plenty of vacuum and a lot more pep.

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    « Reply #23 on: May 31, 2016, 10:38:00 am »
    I agree with the above. Call the manufacturer of the cam and ask for their recommendation. They will want to know gear ratio, vehicle weight, intended purpose, tire height, convert or stall, engine size, compression, etc.
    The "experts" are great at telling you what you can't do. Don't let someone else's opinion be your limiting factor.

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    « Reply #24 on: May 31, 2016, 03:15:22 pm »
    Talking with Dave at Hughes ended up saving me a lot of grief, and money. By the time the last parts arrived, it was nearly completely flawless going at things start to finish.
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    « Reply #25 on: June 11, 2016, 11:09:51 pm »
    I haven't accomplished much lately. Sand blaster has been down, and I needed to fix it. Also been working on getting my soda blaster going. In the meantime, I scraped up some cash, and found a decent cab not far from home. It will need floors, but everything else is pretty nice. I also got an original macho roll bar. Now that my sand blaster is fixed, I'll be getting the frame done. I'll hopefully be taking the junk cab off the frame tomorrow! Stay tuned




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    « Reply #26 on: July 18, 2018, 01:42:28 pm »
    Im back. Lots has happened and the build is slowly happening again. Im in the process of doing crossover steering on my truck and have a 2wd box. Do I need anything else aside of the kit? Do I need to brace the frame?

    Anyways here's an update. Since I lost posted I went to school and found a new career. I've finally started working on the truck again. I finished stripping it down then sand blasted it and coated it with kbs rust seal. I also decided to go with some one tons and got a Chevy d60 kingpin front, and a dodge d60 rear. The leaf springs have been rebuilt and are awaiting new shackles and hangers. I replaced the front crossmember on the frame, and am now figuring out crossover steering to handle the new tires. Military issue michelin xml's. They claim to be 38" but they're closer to 40". Ofcourse shoutout to kubota for helping me move all the heavy shit! Im looking forward to posting more. Wanna have this truck finished asap!

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    Re: 1978 macho build. Mean green
    « Reply #27 on: July 18, 2018, 07:38:53 pm »
    Looks like you are on your way. If it was me, I would want to return the truck back to it's former glory with the Macho Power Wagon paint scheme.
    Phoenix Graphix can help out with the appropriate decals for your model year.

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    « Reply #28 on: July 18, 2018, 07:43:39 pm »
    Looks like you are on your way. If it was me, I would want to return the truck back to it's former glory with the Macho Power Wagon paint scheme.
    Phoenix Graphix can help out with the appropriate decals for your model year.

    https://www.phoenixgraphix.com/p-d/7778mpw.php

    Mike
    Thanks Mike. I am going a very similar route. A bit of a twist tho. Im thinking gun metal main color, with the macho hood, roof, and rocker decals. And of course the power wagon letting behind the cab on the box. The new "retro decals" on the new power wagon might work perfect if they will fit the truck

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    « Reply #29 on: July 19, 2018, 06:36:04 am »
    I loved the OD green…Gives it that classic M880 look and I know you like the Macho scheme…. I happen to love the Macho scheme too which has the "Power Wagon" text graphic on the sides;
    https://www.phoenixgraphix.com/p-d/7980mpw.php

    Heres an idea if you like it;



    In the image above the truck is mostly orange. I would replace the orange with OD green and keep the black areas. As far as the text color, yellow is fine. I think it will have sort of a militarized Macho look to it.

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    « Reply #30 on: July 19, 2018, 05:27:15 pm »
    I loved the OD green…Gives it that classic M880 look and I know you like the Macho scheme…. I happen to love the Macho scheme too which has the "Power Wagon" text graphic on the sides;
    https://www.phoenixgraphix.com/p-d/7980mpw.php

    Heres an idea if you like it;



    In the image above the truck is mostly orange. I would replace the orange with OD green and keep the black areas. As far as the text color, yellow is fine. I think it will have sort of a militarized Macho look to it.

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    Yeah I basically want what's in the picture, but the orange and yellow is gunmetal instead. Its getting close!

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    « Reply #31 on: April 22, 2020, 12:12:02 pm »
    Any updates?  This looks like a cool build.
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    « Reply #32 on: April 22, 2020, 02:10:47 pm »
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    « Reply #33 on: April 22, 2020, 03:35:06 pm »
    I hope this hasn't stopped completely.
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    « Reply #34 on: July 26, 2020, 11:20:50 am »
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