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Offline tbrownsell

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Bell housing: Slant 6 to 413 Wedge?
« on: December 14, 2020, 09:57:05 pm »
Hi everyone, I have a 1965 W200 with a 225 slant 6 totally stock truck with an NP435 Trans and a hydraulic clutch. I have just acquired a 1963  413 Wedge and I already have the engine mounts and oil pan, etc. to change it over. Can I use the flywheel with the existing clutch, and will the 2235714-2 Bell housing I have work with this engine, as I see that it has multiple bolt patterns? Can the Bell housing be altered/drilled if the starter is placed in a different position?

I have been told that some parts will work and others won't. Can anyone answer this question? If I need a different Bell housing for the Big Block, will the existing flywheel/clutch, etc. work with that?

Ultimately, if the Bell housing that I have won't work what would be the casting/part number be that I'd need? And would anyone know where I could get said Bell housing?

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    Re: Bell housing: Slant 6 to 413 Wedge?
    « Reply #1 on: December 14, 2020, 11:27:33 pm »
    I don't think the slant six bell will work with a big block.

    Is the 413 from a car, or medium duty truck?

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    Re: Bell housing: Slant 6 to 413 Wedge?
    « Reply #2 on: December 14, 2020, 11:27:49 pm »
    Hi everyone, I have a 1965 W200 with a 225 slant 6 totally stock truck with an NP435 Trans and a hydraulic clutch. I have just acquired a 1963  413 Wedge and I already have the engine mounts and oil pan, etc. to change it over. Can I use the flywheel with the existing clutch, and will the 2235714-2 Bell housing I have work with this engine, as I see that it has multiple bolt patterns? Can the Bell housing be altered/drilled if the starter is placed in a different position?

    I have been told that some parts will work and others won't. Can anyone answer this question? If I need a different Bell housing for the Big Block, will the existing flywheel/clutch, etc. work with that?

    Ultimately, if the Bell housing that I have won't work what would be the casting/part number be that I'd need? And would anyone know where I could get said Bell housing?
    About the only thing I can help you with... the Big Block bell housing isn't the same as a small block. They are close, but not close enough. So, I would assume that the leaning Six will not "just bolt up" to the 413.
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    Re: Bell housing: Slant 6 to 413 Wedge?
    « Reply #3 on: December 15, 2020, 09:45:58 pm »
    The 413 I have is a Jasper reman that was never used, I believe it was a car engine because it has a center sump pan but otherwise a bare long block.
    I have acquired a front sump pan, oil pickup and truck engine mounts and damper, the next obstacle is the clutch bell housing end

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    Re: Bell housing: Slant 6 to 413 Wedge?
    « Reply #4 on: December 15, 2020, 10:08:51 pm »
    No, a big block will not bolt up to a slant 6 bell housing. The flywheel might. I'm not sure of the bolt pattern. Big block and small block flywheels and flex plates are inter changeable. Lakewood sells a big block bell housing that will work with the NP435 but they cost a lot, but are available, OEM cast iron bell housing that work with the NP435 and big block if you can find one also cost a lot. I'll find the Lakewood bell housing part number and report back.

    The Lakewood part number is 15335
    « Last Edit: December 15, 2020, 10:18:21 pm by 1778ppr »
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    Re: Bell housing: Slant 6 to 413 Wedge?
    « Reply #5 on: December 15, 2020, 11:04:33 pm »
    Thanks 1778ppr, I will look into that and let you know how it turns out

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    Re: Bell housing: Slant 6 to 413 Wedge?
    « Reply #6 on: December 16, 2020, 03:17:01 pm »
    Will a Lakewood bellhousing work with a hydraulic clutch set up?
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    Re: Bell housing: Slant 6 to 413 Wedge?
    « Reply #7 on: December 16, 2020, 05:26:35 pm »
    I'm not so sure small block & big block flywheels interchange pertaining to the 61-68 truck hydraulic bellhousing era. 1969-87 passenger cars & light duty trucks, yes they swap as long as balance is same.

    I assume your 413 is 6 bolt crank. You need either a bellhousing/flywheel that came behind a 1968 383 435 equiped light duty truck, or one from a medium duty 361/413 435 equiped truck. Those bellhousings were offered til 77, but went mechanical in 74. The 74-77 bell is  dual window & can easily be modified for slave cylinder.

    NP540 bellhousings also will work if modified, but you got to get the flywheel/PP/disk too.

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    Re: Bell housing: Slant 6 to 413 Wedge?
    « Reply #8 on: December 17, 2020, 10:54:03 pm »
    Better check to see if your 413 crank is machined to the correct size pilot hole for the stick shift.  A lot of cranks are auto's & do not have the pilot hole drilled.

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    Re: Bell housing: Slant 6 to 413 Wedge?
    « Reply #9 on: December 19, 2020, 11:11:27 am »
    is the tranny FREE hanging with the "tranny" mounts on the side of the bellhousing , if so that will be the ONLY bellhousing you can use [ unless you custom make a tranny cross member and mount ]
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    Re: Bell housing: Slant 6 to 413 Wedge?
    « Reply #10 on: December 19, 2020, 04:46:29 pm »
    agreed ... that would be a much older dodge bell I had a '65  l6 with the starter mounted low and a 318 bolted right to it but that was a small  block as well  .. so I kept quiet .
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