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Land Closure Warnings and Environmental notice
« on: November 27, 2005, 11:57:52 pm »
This Topic is for any member who has an important announcment for any land closures or activities that threaten our hunting, fishing, 4 wheeling or outdoor activities.

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feel free to post any activities and preventions that you know of. also ensure to include your chapter so they know to help.

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    Re: Land Closure Warnings and Environmental notice
    « Reply #1 on: March 4, 2006, 09:52:36 pm »
    Judge To Greens:
    Show Me The Green

    From High Country News comes news that we should have read a long time ago. How welcome it is!

    A federal judge is forcing environmentalists to back their challenge of a logging project with cold hard cash.

    In November, U.S. District Judge Donald Molloy ordered a halt to logging on the Beaverhead-Deerlodge National Forest, outside of Butte, after three environmental groups appealed the judge's earlier decision to allow the 2,600-acre timber harvest. Then, on December 20, Molloy ordered the groups to post a $100,000 bond. Should the groups lose their appeal before the 9th Circuit Court, the money would help compensate the Forest Service and a private contractor for losses due to the delay, such as decaying timber. The agency had requested a $400,000 bond.

    "We have asked for this kind of accountability for years," says Ellen Engstedt, executive vice president of the Montana Wood Products Association. "Ninety-eight percent of these cases are not legitimate. These groups have nothing to lose."

    While bonds up to $10,000 aren't unusual, one this size "certainly make(s) you gulp, and think twice about the strength of your case," says Andy Stahl, executive director of Forest Service Employees for Environmental Ethics.

    Another of the environmentalist plaintiffs whined that such a large bond could bankrupt them, should they lose the case. Fine. They have set out on a deliberate strategy of bankrupting and ruining family and corporate timber operations through their attack litigation, so fair is fair.

    If it gets a bit too hot in the kitchen, dear plaintiffs, you are always free to leave.

    http://eco.freedom.org/el/20060202/showgreen.shtml
    What good does it do to protect the forests from tire prints if you are just going to replace them with septic tanks?

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    Re: Land Closure Warnings and Environmental notice
    « Reply #2 on: March 13, 2006, 04:03:45 am »
    Another message from Del,
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    Del Albright <[email protected]> wrote:
    Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 16:51:28 -0800
    To: "Del (Home)" <[email protected]>
    From: Del Albright <[email protected]>
    Subject: Spring 06 Updates from Del Albright (Land Use and Access), ct,
    ia

    Several important land use and access updates warrant this short email to you.
    A lot is happening in our recreation world, and Spring is here!¬  ¬ Please follow these links and visit those pages that apply to you or your club/group.¬  Spread the word.

    1.¬  Easter Jeep Safari, Moab, Utah, NEW RULES!!¬  BLM and the Red Rock 4Wheelers are changing the game a bit this year for Moab Easter wheeling.¬  These changes affect camping and wheeling, so please read this action alert if you're planning to do Moab in April during Easter:¬  http://www.delalbright.com/Access/alert%20moab%2006.htm

    2.¬  Allegiance, our flag and Teddy Roosevelt -- my latest column, available for your use/web site/newsletter.¬  Teddy Said It Best -- we have room in this country for but one flag.¬  Read more and download this article here:¬  http://www.delalbright.com/Articles/allegiance.htm

    3.¬  Businesses are supporting the rebuild of my wounded Jeep like never before.¬  I am awed by the sponsorship I am getting as an old land use and access guy.¬  ¬ Advance Adapters and Warn Industries are the latest to help out with my rebuild.¬  It's time for us to really show businesses how we appreciate their support to our clubs, raffles, and events.¬  It's also time to show those who don't support us how we're not going to do business with them.¬  See all that is happening with my Jeep and how important this is to all of us who want trails kept open:¬  http://www.delalbright.com/Articles/red_rebuild.htm

    4.¬  Rubicon Trail Winter Use and the Rubicon Trail Master Plan:¬  for the third year in a row, local four-wheelers are voluntarily granting winter time sole access via Loon Lake road to non-motorized users (cross-country skiers).¬  ¬ This is good PR and a great gesture on our part in order to accommodate many variety of uses on the Eldorado National Forest.¬  FOTR is exemplary in making this voluntary release of motorized use to other recreationists.¬  Subscribe to the FOTR email network, or go here to read what El Dorado County posts about the Plan:¬  http://www.co.el-dorado.ca.us/Rubicon/index.html

    5. The Top 10 Survey of Land Use and Access Issues form has been extended through mid-March if you would still like to participate in this survey to help us figure out where future money might be best spent in our trails and riding areas.¬  Go here to fill out the form: http://www.delalbright.com/Articles/top_ten_art.htm

    6.¬  Roadless Area lawsuit heating up and BlueRibbon Coalition and other groups are intervening on our behalf.¬  Roadless stuff, road inventory and route designation are probably the biggest things going on nationwide right now and we all need to get tuned up on the latest if you want to help.¬  ¬  Our national groups (such as BlueRibbon, United FWDA, NOHVCC, NAMRC, AMA and others) are working on these issues as top priorities.¬  Please read more here:¬  http://www.sharetrails.org

    Let me know if you have any questions or if I can help in some way.¬ 
    Thanks, Del
    ¬ 

    Del Albright
    BlueRibbon Ambassador, BlueRibbon Coalition Life Member
    State Environmental Affairs Coordinator, CA4WDC
    Trail Boss, Friends of the Rubicon (FOTR)
    PO BOX 127, Mokelumne Hill, CA¬  95245-0127
    Del's Web Site: http://www.delalbright.com/
    Sponsored by: the BlueRibbon Coalition; the Off-Road Business Association (ORBA); Rubicon Express; Roundeyes .Com; and J&W Auto Wreckers.

    What good does it do to protect the forests from tire prints if you are just going to replace them with septic tanks?

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    Re: Land Closure Warnings and Environmental notice
    « Reply #3 on: March 20, 2006, 08:08:47 pm »
    Judge To Greens:
    Show Me The Green

    From High Country News comes news that we should have read a long time ago. How welcome it is!

    A federal judge is forcing environmentalists to back their challenge of a logging project with cold hard cash.

    In November, U.S. District Judge Donald Molloy ordered a halt to logging on the Beaverhead-Deerlodge National Forest, outside of Butte, after three environmental groups appealed the judge's earlier decision to allow the 2,600-acre timber harvest. Then, on December 20, Molloy ordered the groups to post a $100,000 bond. Should the groups lose their appeal before the 9th Circuit Court, the money would help compensate the Forest Service and a private contractor for losses due to the delay, such as decaying timber. The agency had requested a $400,000 bond.

    "We have asked for this kind of accountability for years," says Ellen Engstedt, executive vice president of the Montana Wood Products Association. "Ninety-eight percent of these cases are not legitimate. These groups have nothing to lose."

    While bonds up to $10,000 aren't unusual, one this size "certainly make(s) you gulp, and think twice about the strength of your case," says Andy Stahl, executive director of Forest Service Employees for Environmental Ethics.

    Another of the environmentalist plaintiffs whined that such a large bond could bankrupt them, should they lose the case. Fine. They have set out on a deliberate strategy of bankrupting and ruining family and corporate timber operations through their attack litigation, so fair is fair.

    If it gets a bit too hot in the kitchen, dear plaintiffs, you are always free to leave.

    http://eco.freedom.org/el/20060202/showgreen.shtml


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    Re: Land Closure Warnings and Environmental notice
    « Reply #4 on: March 20, 2006, 08:37:53 pm »
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    What's At Stake?
    Forest Service Budget Cuts
    ARRA along with representatives from some of our member organizations have been walking the halls of Congress to tell Members that we are very unhappy with the Administration’s FY 2007 proposed cuts to the USFS trails and recreation program budgets.  The President’s proposed budget would reduce Trails funding by 19.4% for a total decrease of $14.5 million, while Recreation funding would be cut by 4% for a decrease of $10 million from the amount appropriated in FY 2006. 

    With the Forest Service beginning the process of going to a designated route system for OHV recreation, and with more and more Americans visiting our National Forests for hiking, horseback riding, and OHV recreation, now is NOT the time to cut funding for general recreation and trail maintenance.

    This is the message that we have been telling members of the House and the Senate.  Now, it’s your turn to lend your voice to this important effort.  If the Forest Service has inadequate financial resources for trail maintenance or to implement the OHV rule, the only operational option remaining for Forest supervisors is to CLOSE trails.  This is not something we want to see happen.

    ARRA has been targeting visits with Members of the House and the Senate Appropriations Committees since these members will be making the initial decisions on these funding issues and we have limited time to get the job done.  We think, however, that it is important for all members of the House and the Senate to hear about your concerns about the Forest Service budget.  We hope you will contact your two Senators and House member today and urge them to support full funding of the Forest Service’s trails and recreation programs.

    This chart provides a look at how the proposed budget for the Trails and Recreation programs compare with funding approved by the Congress in FY 2006.  We are asking Members to fund these programs in FY 2007 at the very same level they funded them in FY 2006.  We are not seeking an increase in funding, though we believe there is merit for one.  With the federal budget being tight, we will settle for maintaining the status quo.

    Your action is needed NOW.  Let your House and Senate members know that you want funding for the Recreation and Trails programs restored to last year’s funding levels.


    Cmon People!! This is gonna close trails/areas just like when CT cut the parks budget!
    http://www.arra-access.com/campaign/ForestServiceBudgetCuts
    What good does it do to protect the forests from tire prints if you are just going to replace them with septic tanks?

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    Re: Land Closure Warnings and Environmental notice
    « Reply #5 on: May 16, 2006, 06:59:49 pm »
    Gotta love it!!! ;D
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    Fox News did a story on the Glamis Dunes.¬  Part of
    that story was that
    the famous Daniel Patterson from the Center for
    Biological Diversity did
    not/would not buy a vehicle pass to access the dunes,
    etc.¬  BLM even
    wrote tickets. Ck. out the story at:

    http://sandsports.off-road.com/dunes/article/articleDetail.jsp?id=321633
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    What good does it do to protect the forests from tire prints if you are just going to replace them with septic tanks?

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    Re: Land Closure Warnings and Environmental notice
    « Reply #6 on: May 22, 2006, 05:37:55 pm »
    Subject: Here Nessie! Nessie the woodpecker

    http://www.eco.freedom.org/el/20060502/beers.shtml

     By Jim Beers

    May 15, 2006

    It has been three years since the famous kayaker
    "spotted" an elusive
    and, heretofore, extinct Ivory-billed Woodpecker in a
    flooded Arkansas
    woodland. No evidence of the existence of this extinct
    bird has been
    presented since that time, despite the combined
    efforts of the U.S. Fish
    and Wildlife Service, Cornell University, The Nature
    Conservancy, and a
    bevy of birdwatchers and volunteers.

    For nearly two years, the reported sighting was kept
    secret from the
    general public, while the federal agency (U.S. Fish
    and Wildlife
    Service) obtained millions of dollars from Congress
    that it then spent
    to secretly "recover" the bird, while sharing the
    funds with Cornell and
    The Nature Conservancy. The past year has seen a
    continual stream of
    publicity articles, calling for more funding, more
    land closure and land
    purchase, and land easements. Indeed, during both the
    "secret" two-years
    and the "public" year, The nature Conservancy has
    purchased land-control
    easements from landowners, some of whom knew about the
    sighting, and
    others who did not know about the sighting. The U.S.
    Fish and Wildlife
    Service has closed some federal land, and restricted
    use and access on
    other federal land. Environmentalists are calling for
    5.5 million acres
    of Southern bottomland woodlands to be purchased, or
    otherwise
    controlled, by federal bureaucracies. But still, after
    three years there
    is no proof of the existence of a single ivory-billed
    woodpecker.

    Congress has appropriated millions of dollars. A
    federal agency has
    closed and restricted access and use on, a large
    National Wildlife
    Refuge that was not made a refuge, to be closed, but
    to be used. Cornell
    University and The Nature Conservancy have shared in
    the millions of
    appropriated money, and the Wildlife Federation has
    been skirting the
    edges of this little group, to try and get some
    "scraps" for themselves,
    as the acquisition and control of 5.5 million acres
    looms on the
    horizon, and the ruination caused by the spotted owl
    out West, is to be
    but a pale prelude of the havoc all these players plan
    to wreak in the
    South, with our money and a bad law. All based on a
    bird that no one can
    find, no one can prove exists (despite battalions of
    "volunteers" and
    technology that rivals that found in Iraq and
    Afghanistan). All for a
    bird that is claimed to be shown in a "grainy" video,
    that most likely
    is the common and widespread pileated woodpecker, a
    long way away from
    the photographer.

    "Grainy" photo, controversial interpretation, extinct
    animal discovery,
    believers and skeptics; where have we heard this
    before? The Loch Ness
    Monster in Scotland, Sasquatch in the Northwest, and
    the Yeti in Nepal -
    all have the same scenario. There have been scams
    associated with nearly
    all of these "sightings" - all three of these
    classical myths. I leave
    it to you as to your notions about all these critters,
    but let us focus
    on what makes this Ivory-billed Woodpecker affair a
    scandal of major
    proportions.

    The Ivory-billed Woodpecker is a scandal, not because
    there is
    controversy about its existence (I have never believed
    that any survived
    for 60 years, undetected, in Southern forests). The
    Ivory-billed
    Woodpecker is a scandal of major proportions because:

    1.   Congress appropriated millions of our tax dollars
    in secrecy,
    that was unlawful and unethical.
    2.   A federal agency secretly schemed with groups that
    it selected
    for two years, while denying the public information
    (hunters, loggers,
    and others that might have unintentionally harmed a
    bird).
    3.   A selected and favored private university, a
    favored private
    land-buying organization, and a few others, used and
    shared in the
    "insider" information, and took easements on and
    (purchased?) private
    property with public fund support.
    4.   Public access and forest use have been restricted,
    and closed on
    public lands.
    5.   The public and Congress are being led to believe
    that more land
    must be eased and purchased by the federal government
    and their
    surrogate, The Nature Conservancy, to insure recovery
    of a bird that
    none can prove exist!
    6.   The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, with public
    funds, grinds
    out news releases and articles about the bird, as if
    it exists, to
    justify more money and more authority to "recover" a
    non-existent (per
    the proof) bird.
    7.   No audit of the actions of the private land buyers,
    easement
    purchases, or government spending is, or will be,
    available, and records
    of the whole sordid affair are not granted, even under
    the Freedom of
    Information Act.

    How stupid would it have been if Scotland had closed
    boating and fishing
    on Loch Ness, to "recover" Nessie? How dumb would it
    seem if Nepal had
    closed all access to their portion of the Himalayas,
    to mountain
    climbers and grazers, and travel between villages, to
    "recover" the
    Yeti? How absurd would it be to close down all access
    into and travel
    through, and use of Northwestern woodlands for
    Sasquatch? (This last one
    has probably got some Cornell professor, a Nature
    Conservancy
    "biologist," and a Forest Service "Native Species"
    Coordinator thinking
    bad thoughts!)

    Not only would these things have been thought improper
    and dumb, in
    these other countries, but how long would the Scots,
    the Nepalese, or
    the Washington State folks - Seattleites would
    probably love it -
    tolerate a government that would do those things? How
    would they react
    to being kept in the dark for two years? What would be
    their reaction to
    three years' worth of looking high and low, and no
    bird? What do you
    think would happen to the people who would spend
    public funds to
    restrict public lands, and make plans to buy up
    private lands, secretly,
    for a bird no one can find or substantiate the
    existence of? Here in the
    USA, we meekly accept this treatment by government as
    our lot in life.
    We are turning into the nation of sheep, that the
    Founding Fathers
    cautioned against.

    The thing here isn't that we should argue about the
    bird, we should
    argue about government and elites run amok, and
    politicians throwing our
    money at them. Let Cornell and Audubon and every Tom,
    Dick, and Harry
    birdwatcher sleep in the woods for the next decade
    (that would keep them
    out of the rest of our hair), and whistle and hoot to
    their hearts
    content, at their own expense. If a bird or birds are
    found, then let
    the wheels of government begin their "exceedingly
    fine" grinding. Until
    such time, those bureaucrats have plenty to keep them
    busy, and Congress
    should keep a cork in the money bucket.

    The fact that this even has to be said, says much more
    about the state
    of the nation than it does about birds, or Arkansas
    woodlands.

    ________________________________

    Jim Beers is a retired Refuge Manager, Special Agent,
    & Wildlife
    Biologist U.S. Fish & Wildlife Service.
    What good does it do to protect the forests from tire prints if you are just going to replace them with septic tanks?

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    Re: Land Closure Warnings and Environmental notice
    « Reply #7 on: June 3, 2006, 12:40:18 pm »
    Cleaned up the thread a bit.
    Also, this is from ARRA, yea it's a couple days late. ::)

    Washington Newsletter


    June, 2006


    Kempthorne is Confirmed

    Dirk Kempthorne was confirmed by the U. S. Senate on May 28th just before Senators left Washington for the Memorial Day holiday.  As ARRA previously reported, Senator Mary Landrieu, D-La., had been holding up consideration of the Kempthorne nomination over a dispute with the Bush Administration over revenue sharing issues from off-shore drilling in the Gulf of Mexico.  Citing ‚Äúsignificant progress‚ÄĚ in talks with the Administration and Senate leaders, Senator Landrieu agreed to allow the Kempthorne nomination to move forward.  Senator Bill Nelson, D.-Florida, who had earlier said he would stop the Senate from proceeding with the nomination, lifted his objections a couple of weeks ago.

    We were told Governor Kempthorne had already packed his bags from the Governor‚Äôs office, so it looks as though he is ready to get to work as the new Secretary of the Interior.  He clearly has his work cut out for him and we wish him the very best.

    The National Park Service is Corporate Free, sort of

    Since 1967, corporate America has been supporting our National Parks.  Through the National Park Foundation, corporations have donated financial aid that has been used for a variety of improvements to our National Parks system.  A proposal that would have allowed corporate donors to be recognized for such donations such as having benches or rooms designated in their name was finally killed when Fran Mainella, Director of the National Park Service, issued new guidelines governing our Parks. Opponents to the idea were fearful that our National Parks would become commercialized.  Well, the new regulations make clear that corporate advertising and marketing will not be allowed in our National Parks.

    Although corporate donations are still welcome, recognition for the donations is another story.  Madison Avenue will have to try something else to raise public awareness of corporate generosity.

    Budget Pressures Force the National Park Service to Look for Savings

    Last month we wrote about Congressional concerns that fewer and fewer Americans are visiting their National Parks.  With a declining number of visitors, Park officials are also faced with another sticky issue:  a declining operating budget.  In recent years, funding for our National Parks has been relatively flat and when one adds in the cost of inflation, actual funding is less.  To address this shortfall, two years ago the Park Service established a new management program called ‚ÄúCore Operations Analysis.‚ÄĚ  In short, this was a program to help Park administrators identify cost savings without threatening the overall mission of the agency.  The overall goal is to have this analysis completed for all Park operations by 2011. 

    Some units have already completed this work and cost savings are being implemented throughout the system.  In some cases, underutilized campgrounds are being closed, trash service reduced, and fees increased.  These are not easy decisions for any Park administrator.  Given budget pressures, the need for donations is increasing and the use of volunteers in place of retiring park employees is growing.

    In short, this is not a pretty picture in terms of the future for our National Parks.  ARRA is interested in hearing from our members of instances where they feel that Park operations are being inhibited and access affected by budget constraints.  This problem has been in the making for many, many years and can‚Äôt be solved overnight.  However, we feel we need to remain vigilant in terms of access issues and this is something on which we need to focus more of our attention.

    Public Lands Access Forum

    In mid-June, a new Public Lands Access Forum is being organized here in Washington by a number of groups interested and concerned about maintaining access to public lands for recreational activities.  We are encouraged that other organizations share our concern about access and ARRA intends to participate in this forum.  We will let you know whether anything productive comes from this effort.  We certainly hope so ...

    Memorial Day, 2006

    This past weekend our nation observed Memorial Day.  When I was growing up, this holiday meant the beginning of the summer season and it was always our goal to get the boat cleaned up and in the water before that weekend.

    But beyond the recreational interest of the weekend, Memorial Day also meant remembering family members who were no longer with us.  In fact, my parents always had a practice of visiting the family cemeteries prior to Memorial Day to tend the graves of family members and to plant flowers.

    Two weeks ago, I continued that practice with my 85 year-old mother.  We went to three family cemeteries, planted flowers and remembered those who have passed on before us. My father, grandparents, great-grandparents were all remembered.  I mention this not to focus on my family but to actually make another point about this holiday.

    Since the start of the War in Iraq and Afghanistan, more than 1600 American children have lost a parent in armed conflict.  I suspect that Memorial Day will always be a different kind of holiday for these children.  It won‚Äôt be about getting the boat in the water, but it will be about remembering a parent who paid the ultimate sacrifice of serving our country.  If you know someone who has lost a loved one in the service of our country, please take a moment and let them know that you appreciate the service their loved one gave to our nation.  Yes, Memorial Day is observed on one specific day of the year.  That being said, nothing should stop us from remembering on a daily basis those who serve in our military and particularly those who have given their lives in fulfilling that service to our nation.

    Sincerely,

    Larry E. Smith
    Executive Director
    ARRA

    What good does it do to protect the forests from tire prints if you are just going to replace them with septic tanks?

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    Re: Land Closure Warnings and Environmental notice
    « Reply #8 on: November 3, 2006, 10:41:35 pm »
    Big trail closure threat in AZ:
    http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/showthread.php?t=17567

    If this happens you can forget Ram Jam in AZ.
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    Re: Land Closure Warnings and Environmental notice
    « Reply #9 on: November 4, 2006, 04:33:22 am »
    Big trail closure threat in AZ:
    http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/showthread.php?t=17567

    If this happens you can forget Ram Jam in AZ.

    Thanx Gp!!  Loos like you guys have a fight on your hands, but you got some good solid leadership going there. Best things I can say is a show of numbers @ the meetings will help a LOT!! I know CT noticed when we flooded one "trail use" meeting with more 4x4ers then all other uses combined. ;D The "Anti's" have $$ and numbers behind them, we all need the same to fight themon a level playing field.
    What good does it do to protect the forests from tire prints if you are just going to replace them with septic tanks?

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    Re: Land Closure Warnings and Environmental notice
    « Reply #10 on: December 28, 2006, 12:26:59 pm »
    The new Off Road Facility that was proposed 11 miles north of Bakersfield California has been killed by the Courts. 5 years of study and lots of tax payer's money wasted. Back to the drawing board again!! puttputt56!!! :'( :)
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    Re: Land Closure Warnings and Environmental notice
    « Reply #11 on: December 30, 2006, 08:44:33 am »
    The new Off Road Facility that was proposed 11 miles north of Bakersfield California has been killed by the Courts. 5 years of study and lots of tax payer's money wasted. Back to the drawing board again!! puttputt56!!! :'( :)
    Any more info? This is the first I heard of this. (I think)
    What good does it do to protect the forests from tire prints if you are just going to replace them with septic tanks?

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    Re: Land Closure Warnings and Environmental notice
    « Reply #12 on: December 30, 2006, 11:50:25 am »
    All I can tell you is they have been trying to get this 11,000 acres ranch to become an off road facility for five years.  We thought it was going to make it as the local planning board had just given approval. But a court order was issued to stop it and it did. The reasons given were limited access, inside ownership within the proposed facility and the main reason was the Valley Fewer Spore is in the soil.  But all this was known at the beginning. puttputt56!! :'( ??? :) ;)
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