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1987 4x4 d50, clean bone stock daily driver . Deciding on mods
« on: December 19, 2020, 09:16:44 am »
Looking for a little daily driver and came across an 87 d50 4x4 with 93k miles and extremely clean stock condition... what's it worth and what should I be looking for when I go look at it? Thanks
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    Re: 1987 4x4 d50 any good and what to look for
    « Reply #1 on: December 19, 2020, 09:18:21 am »
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    Re: 1987 4x4 d50 any good and what to look for
    « Reply #2 on: December 19, 2020, 09:56:05 am »
    look at the frame mainly by the spring hangers , the frame breaks in half just behind the Cab

    boy if its an Auto it would be a great 318 transplant , built dozens of them back in the 80's or even a 3.9 MPFI
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    Re: 1987 4x4 d50 any good and what to look for
    « Reply #3 on: December 19, 2020, 10:42:39 am »
    It's auto
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    Re: 1987 4x4 d50 any good and what to look for
    « Reply #4 on: December 19, 2020, 10:33:16 pm »
    Ended up snagging it.  It's pretty clean,  has a little spot of rust on the passenger front fender right behind the bumper but not bad.  Frame is clean, interior is clean,  bed doesn't look like it ever got used.  I'm guessing the topper was on it it's whole life.  Radiator is seeping a little bit,  I'll probably look for a replacement.  Other than that,  go through the fluids and maintenance and enjoy it for a while.  May see what kind of mild lift options there are and run a size or two bigger tire.  2.6 is pretty gutless so I don't want to overdo it.
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    Re: 1987 4x4 d50 any good and what to look for
    « Reply #5 on: December 19, 2020, 11:04:33 pm »
    The timing chain is the common issue with the 2.6L.
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    Re: 1987 4x4 d50 any good and what to look for
    « Reply #6 on: December 20, 2020, 11:55:44 pm »
    After a wrestling match to get the old oil filter off,  I got the oil changed and checked things out under the hood.  It really looks completely unmolested. I want to find a hub cap and beauty ring for the rear.  I have 3 out of 4. I may even put the topper back on.  I'm wondering if someone could take side windows from another topper and install them in this one.  Just to change the style up a little. It is handy to have it on, especially this time of year
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    Re: 1987 4x4 d50 any good and what to look for
    « Reply #7 on: December 20, 2020, 11:58:28 pm »
    Since I bought it,  one of the moderators can probably move this into the truck section.
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    Re: 1987 4x4 d50 any good and what to look for
    « Reply #8 on: December 21, 2020, 10:26:28 am »
    The timing chain is the common issue with the 2.6L.

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    Re: 1987 4x4 d50, new daily driver
    « Reply #9 on: December 21, 2020, 05:10:56 pm »
    Any way of finding the color the wheels would be? I'd like to clean them up and paint them before I get beauty rings etc back on them.
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    Re: 1987 4x4 d50 any good and what to look for
    « Reply #10 on: December 22, 2020, 11:04:17 am »
    Couldn't find any 1987 brochures but here's a 1989
    https://www.xr793.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/1989-Dodge-Ram-50.pdf

    May be something here
    https://www.auto-brochures.com/dodge.html

    Also found a D50 specific forum
    http://www.mightyram50.net/
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    Re: 1987 4x4 d50 any good and what to look for
    « Reply #11 on: December 24, 2020, 10:30:15 am »
    Any way of finding the color the wheels would be? I'd like to clean them up and paint them before I get beauty rings etc back on them.
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    Re: 1987 4x4 d50, clean bone stock daily driver . Deciding on mods
    « Reply #12 on: December 25, 2020, 10:51:29 pm »
    I took the topper off and after running without it for a couple days, ended up deciding to throw it back on. I like the looks without it but man is it nice having that bed covered to keep stuff dry and secure. I'd love to see if i could find side windows out of another one that I could replace the large and two oval windows on each side. I would think it would be as easy as cut and place the gasket to install. More I read about these things, a couple inches of lift and 31 or 32 inch tires is where I might end up.
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    Re: 1987 4x4 d50, clean bone stock daily driver . Deciding on mods
    « Reply #13 on: December 26, 2020, 10:35:14 pm »
    Installed a new radiator today.  The old one was probably the original and was damp in several places.  Didn't want to risk any trouble.  Replacement was not plastic which was a pleasant surprise. I hate the wire hose clamps they use on this truck as they work well but are a pain to keep together until you can get tension on them.
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    Re: 1987 4x4 d50, clean bone stock daily driver . Deciding on mods
    « Reply #14 on: January 6, 2021, 04:28:54 pm »
    Maybe I got a project,  we'll see what you guys think.  Truck ran pretty good for a while but the other day,  when I started it up it sounded like a hit and miss tractor, running very rough.  Once it warmed up a few minutes, it seemed to run fine. The next day I decided to check the radiator fluid since I put a new one in, it was a half gallon low and curiously enough it was under pressure when I opened it.  Figured it was just air working out. Topped it off and tried to start it,  it would only run as long as I was holding the key in start position and even then it was just chugging. Finally got it to run and after a few minutes seemed to run fine again.  No overheating,  coolant is clean,  oil is clean.  White smoke from tail pipe and looks like it may blow a little oil out the tail pipe on startup. Got any advice? New radiator and hoses.  I didn't change the thermostat although I have a new one but it isn't overheating.  What should I be checking?
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    Re: 1987 4x4 d50, clean bone stock daily driver . Deciding on mods
    « Reply #15 on: January 7, 2021, 02:26:54 pm »
    Id start with a compression test, I suspect a headgasket is going bad and seeping coolant into the cylinder after it cools down, when you fire it up the rough running is the coolant burning off.  The mitsubitchy 2.6 isnt known for being a terribly reliable engine.  They were known for cracked heads and warped heads....They also use an electronic carb that is next to impossible to tune.
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    Re: 1987 4x4 d50, clean bone stock daily driver . Deciding on mods
    « Reply #16 on: January 8, 2021, 02:16:15 am »
    two ways to approach it . bone stock that clean , I might attempt to keep it stock , even though right now its not worth a whole lot , its a conversation piece , like a wall hanger 1881 shot gun I have .

     the other way , the mpfi v6 and ax 15 overdrive or 518 had a coupla them in daks will smoke the tires .....

     the flat laminated glass used on the topper , you can buy the rubber by the foot , glass shop will cut the glass any size/shape you cut the hole ,a cardboard template minus the rubber thickness , comes clear or tinted .. same as the heavy equipment I used to do .... many different styles of "stock" rubbers available too .
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    Re: 1987 4x4 d50, clean bone stock daily driver . Deciding on mods
    « Reply #17 on: January 11, 2021, 06:32:53 pm »
    Dry 155, 100, 100, 150
    So I ran 2 and 3 wet and got 100 again on both.
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    Re: 1987 4x4 d50, clean bone stock daily driver . Deciding on mods
    « Reply #18 on: January 11, 2021, 06:33:49 pm »
    Plugs are 1 to 4, left to right
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    Re: 1987 4x4 d50, clean bone stock daily driver . Deciding on mods
    « Reply #19 on: January 12, 2021, 01:24:16 am »
    there is a tool to detect exhaust gases in the coolent .... or just watch it ,and the oil . see if it pushes past a good pressure radiator cap ....
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    Re: 1987 4x4 d50, clean bone stock daily driver . Deciding on mods
    « Reply #20 on: January 12, 2021, 02:44:26 pm »
    Dry 155, 100, 100, 150
    So I ran 2 and 3 wet and got 100 again on both.

    A little concerning that the two lower ones are companion cylinders....could be a bad head or gasket between the two....As dodge said see if youre getting compression in the cooling system....maybe pressure tester on the rad and see if it drops over time...
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    Re: 1987 4x4 d50, clean bone stock daily driver . Deciding on mods
    « Reply #21 on: January 12, 2021, 05:15:18 pm »
    on an older unit , the cooling system can loose pressure for any number of reasons , and it seems when ever someone fears a head gasket/crack etc , it can panic them , try it but its NOT definitive , exhaust gases in cooling would be tho .. 
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    Re: 1987 4x4 d50, clean bone stock daily driver . Deciding on mods
    « Reply #22 on: January 12, 2021, 08:00:12 pm »
    if it does turn out to be the head [ l,ve literally done dozens of them heads 30 years ago ] its a fairly easy job , if its a gasket or warped head  , have it machined , they use to make a shim depending on how much machining was done , for a slight power boost leave the shim out , if its a cracked head then you gotta make the hard decisions - to buy a head or 318 it



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    Re: 1987 4x4 d50, clean bone stock daily driver . Deciding on mods
    « Reply #23 on: January 12, 2021, 08:14:54 pm »
    I haven't seen any oil in coolant or vice versa. But I just noticed the issue and made the 25 minute trip home from work. Just wanting to catch it early so I don't cause damage if possible.
    It would be really tempting to 318 it.  Anybody know any good places I can go to see somebody that has done it?
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    « Reply #25 on: January 14, 2021, 12:52:52 pm »
    on an older unit , the cooling system can loose pressure for any number of reasons , and it seems when ever someone fears a head gasket/crack etc , it can panic them , try it but its NOT definitive , exhaust gases in cooling would be tho ..

    If it looses pressure there is a leak somewhere, may as well fix any you find...
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    « Reply #26 on: January 14, 2021, 01:40:34 pm »
    yes , I've seen hoses that have a seep , the upper part of the radiator where there is air have a seep , heater cores get a seep after the pump is used , sometimes that upper radiator one fools ya into thinking its the head gasket for sure , I like to find out about that first is all , before I go fixing the rest ... ;)
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    So...I decided to throw the plugs in it and try to do some troubleshooting. I noticed the middle two plugs looked rough, the outside two looked clean, and I remember the previous owner saying he changed the plugs so I'd expect them to all look similar. When i looked at the plugs, the crush washers on the middle two appeared like they weren't "snuggled up" when installed.  You could tell where it looked like exhaust had blown past them,  similar to how you'd see black deposits around an exhaust leak.  Also you could see similar evidence on the motor.  I reinstalled them,  snugged them up and buttoned up everything under the hood and the thing started up and purred like a kitten... hopefully that is all it needed for a while.
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