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Re: 02 Dakota 4x4 Quad Cab (...hi-steerage...)
« Reply #800 on: September 24, 2020, 11:04:46 am »
I agree a 440 will be great for low down torque. I think this engine build is pretty interesting:
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    Re: 02 Dakota 4x4 Quad Cab (...hi-steerage...)
    « Reply #801 on: September 24, 2020, 11:32:31 am »
    I agree a 440 will be great for low down torque. I think this engine build is pretty interesting:
     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsUY-lZ9Cjc
    6600 rpm to get to that horsepower?
    Over .600" lift on the cam? A single plane intake?
    Very cool for a stock bottom end 360. Not real cool in a heavy truck.
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    Re: 02 Dakota 4x4 Quad Cab (...hi-steerage...)
    « Reply #802 on: September 24, 2020, 11:42:41 am »
    ...yah, my basic goal was to get as close to Cummins low end torque as possible in an un-boosted gas engine and I figured a fresh 440 rebuilt to "RV" specs aught to be pretty close...and I painted it Cummins beige to help too ;D ...



    « Last Edit: September 24, 2020, 11:45:03 am by Mad Max »
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    Re: 02 Dakota 4x4 Quad Cab (...hi-steerage...)
    « Reply #803 on: September 24, 2020, 11:48:30 am »
    6600 rpm to get to that horsepower?
    Over .600" lift on the cam? A single plane intake?
    Very cool for a stock bottom end 360. Not real cool in a heavy truck.

    Yeah, that intake will definitely not be the one for a truck. An Edelbrock Air Gap would be a better choice and a less aggressive cam. I imagine the Edelbrock will not give up much on the top end.
    Just an example that a stock stroke 360 can make power too.
    The Cummins tan should be good for 20 ft pounds of torque easy! 
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    Re: 02 Dakota 4x4 Quad Cab (...hi-steerage...)
    « Reply #804 on: September 24, 2020, 12:09:26 pm »
    I went with an Edelbrock Performer RPM dual plane intake for mine - best of both worlds, and with the Holley EFI it aught to be perfect {cool}
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    Re: 02 Dakota 4x4 Quad Cab (...hi-steerage...)
    « Reply #805 on: September 25, 2020, 04:05:31 pm »
    Just an example that a stock stroke 360 can make power too.
    The Cummins tan should be good for 20 ft pounds of torque easy!

    At the time, I did have the opportunity to offer advice. Based on our conversations, Sam's parameters for this truck,was maximum torquability but also perfect dependability! The only means to make lots of twist is go with as much displacement as possible or forced induction, (or both) or go diesel. The diesel options was nixed immediately. However, the 440 naturally offers big displacement with no further mods to the engine (and I think he already had it.) Yes, the 360 can make power, in terms of horsepower. But to make big torque with a 360 you either need to stroke it or supercharge it. Both of which are doable, but at a higher cost. If I had to make a guess, I'd say that a healthy 440 should pump out somewhere in the neighborhood of 500+ft-lbs (including the Cummins tan) A healthy 360 should be in the 400ft-lb torque range. So it's obvious that the additional 80 cu.in of displacement alone helps.

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    Re: 02 Dakota 4x4 Quad Cab (...hi-steerage...)
    « Reply #806 on: September 25, 2020, 04:36:21 pm »
    yup, if the 440 runs as good as the 440's I've had in the past...and if the adapter kit and everything hold up like they're supposed to...well the truck aught to TACAMO just fine ;D
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    Re: 02 Dakota 4x4 Quad Cab (...hi-steerage...)
    « Reply #807 on: October 3, 2020, 09:36:20 am »
    ...exhaust is finally - finally - done...

    too tired to explain everything, but the short version is I added a second muffler, relocated the cutout, and decided not to use header wrap on anything and instead fab'd up two aluminum bolt-on heat shields and am using both muffler wrap and form-a-blanket from DEI.  Even got the O2 sensor in place :)





























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    Re: 02 Dakota 4x4 Quad Cab (...exhausted...)
    « Reply #808 on: October 3, 2020, 04:29:36 pm »
    Oh boy snakes!
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    Lots of time consuming fabbing there for sure. Love your heat shields... looks factory!
    Why the cutout? Need the noise like the Cummins?  ;D

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    Re: 02 Dakota 4x4 Quad Cab (...exhausted...)
    « Reply #809 on: October 3, 2020, 06:06:06 pm »
    attention to detail , nice workman ship . pat pat .....   I assume your fuel lines will receive the same, and you'll be checking the temps for a while . 
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    Re: 02 Dakota 4x4 Quad Cab (...exhausted...)
    « Reply #810 on: October 14, 2020, 04:22:54 pm »
    thanks guys {cool}

    I assume your fuel lines will receive the same, and you'll be checking the temps for a while

    yup for sure - that's really the big 'unknown', but it looks okay on paper.

    ...copied a mod that worked really well on Bud - modified the rear overload to serve as an 'anti-wrap bar': drilled holes, countersunk 45* flat head cap screws, broke the 1" x 3/16" steel strap, cut the excess bolt thread/welded/smoothed the bottom nut so rocks won't rip them off, and viola - anti-wrap bars, especially at max drop (on either side), and the suspension can articulate 'naturally'.  The overload itself spreads out the typical wrap inherent with short axle perches, and max drop is just after contact with the bolt sleeves.  Plus the straps keep the overloads from 'kicking out'.  Plus, as heavy duty as the overload is I'll probably never 'need' bump stops.  Anyway it worked great on the last truck which had a ton of low end torque and axle gearing and bigger tires, so I figure it should be just as effective on this truck.

    Also, filled the Atlas with 2.5 quarts of Redline MT-90, and started running the gas tank plumbing.

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    Re: 02 Dakota 4x4 Quad Cab (...overloaded...)
    « Reply #811 on: October 15, 2020, 01:30:27 am »
    you applied logic !  and used shelf hardware . nice . 
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    Re: 02 Dakota 4x4 Quad Cab (...overloaded...)
    « Reply #812 on: October 19, 2020, 11:37:20 am »
    WOW! I've got some reading to do!  :o
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    Re: 02 Dakota 4x4 Quad Cab (...overloaded...)
    « Reply #813 on: October 21, 2020, 10:51:46 pm »
    WOW! I've got some reading to do!  :o
    And tooling up for some aluminum.  ;D
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    Re: 02 Dakota 4x4 Quad Cab (...overloaded...)
    « Reply #814 on: October 23, 2020, 04:36:58 pm »
    so this was cool - from the beginning I've wanted to use the OE Dakota 360 air intake hat and air cleaner assembly, and after a careful bit of 'plastic surgery' the id of the hat fit the Holley throttle body perfectly.  Looks like it's supposed to be there, and matches nicely no?  ;D  ...and I can use the OE port on the back to intake the charcoal canister fumes, just like factory {cool}





    here's where I started trimming off the bottom edge, and just went all the way around and it fits like a glove -



    I had also thought about using this hi-zoot intake from Extreme Velocity...I think from Nacho?, but it just isn't necessary, especially considering this engine is a 800-4500 rpm torque engine and the inlet is the same size on both - 3-inch







    Gonna work good {cool}

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    Re: 02 Dakota 4x4 Quad Cab (...factory 'air'...)
    « Reply #815 on: October 23, 2020, 06:16:05 pm »
    I vote for the OE Dakota one also.  {cool}
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    Re: 02 Dakota 4x4 Quad Cab (...factory 'air'...)
    « Reply #816 on: October 24, 2020, 04:01:16 am »
    Looks "factree" to me. Roll with it!  {cool}
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    Re: 02 Dakota 4x4 Quad Cab (...factory 'air'...)
    « Reply #817 on: October 24, 2020, 09:49:00 am »
    Looks like I'm making a trip to the JY!  Did you just cut off a part of the "ears"?
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    Re: 02 Dakota 4x4 Quad Cab (...factory 'air'...)
    « Reply #818 on: October 24, 2020, 10:21:02 am »
    yep I'm gonna use the OE Dakota hat - just wanted to show y'all how it lined up etc {cool}

    Looks like I'm making a trip to the JY!  Did you just cut off a part of the "ears"?

    yah I just trimmed off the plastic molded sections that I think were designed to line up with the factory kegger - either way I removed those bosses and it fit perfectly {cool}  :)



    here's how it looks on the inside.  Not sure if it'd fit on a carbureted setup - the choke horn and such would likely interfere with the metal supports internal to the air hat, but on a setup without any 'above deck' choke etc it should fit and function great.

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    Re: 02 Dakota 4x4 Quad Cab (...factory 'air'...)
    « Reply #819 on: October 24, 2020, 02:41:26 pm »
    Looks like that intake hat has shrunk!!

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    « Reply #820 on: October 24, 2020, 05:59:07 pm »
    I actually think it may be angled to match the contour of the sloped Dakota hood - no data to back that up but it's right in 'that' area...
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    « Reply #821 on: October 24, 2020, 11:33:20 pm »
    You wouldn't be interested in selling that Extreme Velocity 90 would you?
    It would make a nice Christmas present for my son's '41.
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    « Reply #822 on: October 25, 2020, 08:23:16 am »
    as a matter of fact I am - sending ya a PM ;)
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    « Reply #823 on: October 26, 2020, 09:44:56 am »
    Man Kurt I wish I was your kid. 

    Or had your ride.

    Or had your kid's ride.

    Or had any of Sam's rides.

    Going to go into the corner now and pout. 
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    « Reply #824 on: October 26, 2020, 10:39:00 am »
     {lol} {cool} ;D
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    « Reply #825 on: October 26, 2020, 10:15:33 pm »
    Man Kurt I wish I was your kid. 

    Or had your ride.

    Or had your kid's ride.

    Or had any of Sam's rides.

    Going to go into the corner now and pout.
    Patience and old age is the answer.  ;D
    Hang in there. Make some common sense decisions. Stay away from mind altering infusions. And some day you to can have the same issues I have.   ;)
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    « Reply #826 on: October 27, 2020, 07:48:29 am »
    ...and I can't ever seem to actually keep any of my rides so there's a sickness there too...although I think I might be getting over it...  :P ;D
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    Re: 02 Dakota 4x4 Quad Cab (...factory 'air'...)
    « Reply #827 on: October 27, 2020, 01:53:18 pm »
    Patience and old age is the answer.  ;D
    Hang in there. Make some common sense decisions. Stay away from mind altering infusions. And some day you to can have the same issues I have.   ;)

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    Re: 02 Dakota 4x4 Quad Cab (...under-armor...)
    « Reply #828 on: October 30, 2020, 08:43:21 am »
    cool - between some $ from some recent fab work and selling the wheels/tires I already had, I was able to get the beadlocks I wanted.  Just picked up a set of five Hutchinson military-grade Rock Monster 17x8.5 2-piece DOT-approved double beadlock wheels, made in USA.  The quality looks to be very high.  These aught to be the perfect combination of off-road and highway capable wheels, which is ultimately what I really wanted.  I will be replacing the 'standard' valve stems with Colby units, which should make everything about as bulletproof as possible.





    ...this big honkin' rubber 'ring' gets placed in the tire first, then set the tire over the inner half of the wheel, then lay the o-ring in the groove, line everything up, then the outer rim gets bolted down 'compressing' the tire beads against the rubber ring and both wheel lips...and no chance of blowing the tire off the wheel...from either side {cool}









     These beadlocks look great and look to be what I am looking for. What is the Back Spacing on the wheels? And did you order these straight from Hutchinson or from a dealer? I haven't found them yet online with a list price.
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    Re: 02 Dakota 4x4 Quad Cab (...factory 'air'...)
    « Reply #829 on: October 30, 2020, 10:14:08 am »
    they have a 4.5" back spacing, and I ordered mine through Rock Monkey 4x4 - my good friend Alex owns the business and he's only 5 miles away. 

    The prices will be about the same if you can go through 4WP - the prices went up a lot when COVID hit and I was fortunate to have ordered mine before they raised the prices.

    Here's a link on 4WP - https://www.4wheelparts.com/p/rock-monster-d-o-t-beadlock-17x8-5-wheel-with-8-on-6-5-bolt-pattern-argent-60669-023-01/_/R-CMMQ-60669-023-01
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    Re: 02 Dakota 4x4 Quad Cab (...factory 'air'...)
    « Reply #830 on: October 30, 2020, 10:27:57 am »
    they have a 4.5" back spacing, and I ordered mine through Rock Monkey 4x4 - my good friend Alex owns the business and he's only 5 miles away. 

    The prices will be about the same if you can go through 4WP - the prices went up a lot when COVID hit and I was fortunate to have ordered mine before they raised the prices.

    Here's a link on 4WP - https://www.4wheelparts.com/p/rock-monster-d-o-t-beadlock-17x8-5-wheel-with-8-on-6-5-bolt-pattern-argent-60669-023-01/_/R-CMMQ-60669-023-01

    Thanks for the information! You weren't joking about the price, but those look like the wheels Ive been looking for.
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    « Reply #831 on: October 30, 2020, 10:43:51 am »
    In my case I wanted a very 'true' wheel - these are cast and machined, and when on the axle I cannot detect any 'out of roundness', which was very important to me because my truck will be doing a LOT of street/highway driving, plus, of course, they're going to be perfect for hard-core off-roading I'll also be doing because I can air down to...well I could go to 0psi if I wanted to and the tire would never come off the wheel.  I'll likely be down to about 8 psi or so when crawlin' over the rocks.  So while spendy they're literally the best of both worlds, and while not 'critical', AFAIK they're the only beadlock wheel that is also DOT approved.
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    Re: 02 Dakota 4x4 Quad Cab (...factory 'air'...)
    « Reply #832 on: November 2, 2020, 04:21:03 pm »
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    Re: 02 Dakota 4x4 Quad Cab (...factory 'air'...)
    « Reply #833 on: November 2, 2020, 05:32:40 pm »
    thanks Jim - yah I saw you're doing some serious 'framing' ;D
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    Re: 02 Dakota 4x4 Quad Cab (...factory 'air'...)
    « Reply #834 on: November 12, 2020, 12:09:28 pm »
    so...I'm OCD on how my shifters 'throw' - I like all of the low range options to be the same direction (forward) and hi range rearward - just how I like it, and because of that I had to modify the Atlas doubler bracket to operate on the other side of how it comes.  Now, when I'm "all in" all 3 shifters will be pushed forward, and vise versa when in hi range.  Here's the result -

    Here's how the bracket bolts up normally with the shift lever aiming to the d-side and low range being 'back' (disregard my hand-written marks - I had it backwards...) -



    I flipped the shift lever 180* and made brackets to shift it from the opposite side, reversing the throw, and marked it appropriately -





    used half of the original bracket and fabbed my own new extended half, and flipped the lever 180 - worked perfect -





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    Re: 02 Dakota 4x4 Quad Cab (...throw it forward...)
    « Reply #835 on: November 12, 2020, 09:39:12 pm »
    That's really nice!
    My son has yet to fabricate a shifter setup for his 205.
    I did a "twin stick" conversion on it a few years back. I really like your setup.
    That's cable operated? Where did you find that system?
    I'm sure his system will be just rods. Being a real frugal (cheap) guy that he is.  ;D
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    Re: 02 Dakota 4x4 Quad Cab (...throw it forward...)
    « Reply #836 on: November 13, 2020, 09:57:32 am »
    I twin sticked my 203 a few years ago, best thing you can do to a 203 aside from a double IMO.  No more sticky lever and you know exactly what position everything is in.
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    Re: 02 Dakota 4x4 Quad Cab (...throw it forward...)
    « Reply #837 on: November 13, 2020, 11:21:04 am »

    That's cable operated? Where did you find that system?


    yup - it's all from Advanced Adapters, made for their t-case(s) - lots of options to choose from and cables look to fit the application the best.
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    Re: 02 Dakota 4x4 Quad Cab (...throw it forward...)
    « Reply #838 on: November 13, 2020, 02:22:00 pm »
    Make your own sticks, and you can design there how the cables work, and keep them short.  I'm not one for long U shaped shift cables, but at least you are not driving in Pa's salt slush covered highways.
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    Re: 02 Dakota 4x4 Quad Cab (...throw it forward...)
    « Reply #839 on: November 14, 2020, 12:10:27 am »
    yup - it's all from Advanced Adapters, made for their t-case(s) - lots of options to choose from and cables look to fit the application the best.
    Thanks for the info.
    I'm sure my son will fab up his own... unless I pay for it.  ;D
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    Re: 02 Dakota 4x4 Quad Cab (...throw it forward...)
    « Reply #840 on: November 14, 2020, 09:57:01 am »
    Make your own sticks, and you can design there how the cables work, and keep them short.  I'm not one for long U shaped shift cables, but at least you are not driving in Pa's salt slush covered highways.

    my issue is 'space' and 'alignment'.  I tried their mechanical linkage first but it would have come up through the floor right under the drivers seat, so I had to do cables.
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    Re: 02 Dakota 4x4 Quad Cab (...throw it forward...)
    « Reply #841 on: November 14, 2020, 04:47:46 pm »
    those cables , are "sealed " pretty good , and they are an "industrial shelf item " can be ordered by size, lenght, and "stroke"  they were what controlled many things on the trucks I had to work on before they switched every thing to air shift controls . keep the u turns wide , away from TOO much heat , and they'll be fine . nice workmanship 
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    Re: 02 Dakota 4x4 Quad Cab (...throw it forward...)
    « Reply #842 on: November 14, 2020, 05:18:06 pm »
    Commonly called Morse cables.
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    Re: 02 Dakota 4x4 Quad Cab (...throw it forward...)
    « Reply #843 on: November 15, 2020, 09:42:41 am »
    yup these cables are very nice quality.  The two main case cables have to make a complete 360 and they're both 5' long, but the doubler only has to make a 180 so it's just 4'.  It's all taking lots of bits of time...which is adding up to a lot of time...but it's time well spent considering the plans for the truck, and reliability is very high on the priority list.
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    « Reply #844 on: November 15, 2020, 10:09:57 am »
    yup these cables are very nice quality.  The two main case cables have to make a complete 360 and they're both 5' long, but the doubler only has to make a 180 so it's just 4'.  It's all taking lots of bits of time...which is adding up to a lot of time...but it's time well spent considering the plans for the truck, and reliability is very high on the priority list.
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    « Reply #845 on: November 15, 2020, 12:29:58 pm »
    Yep.
    Custom stuff takes lots of time.
    That's why it cost a fortune when you don't do it yourself... because we work for free.  ;D

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    « Reply #846 on: November 18, 2020, 06:03:20 pm »
    ...and speaking of shenanigans...I've got about as much chassis work done as I can with the cab off, and with 'cab on' in mind I've officially kicked off 'electrical voodoo ops'.  Main aspects include how to surgically delete all unnecessary wiring from the main harness (PCM, EFI, sensors, etc), how to re-purpose now unused fuse panels/relays to power new equipment (Sniper EFI and Ignition, fuel pumps, gauges, Premier Power Welder alternator, extra power to bed, second battery, compressor, etc.), trans OD/LU switches, in-dash sub-station(?), etc. 

    No small undertaking, and Ben is again helping me do it right so the truck doesn't explode when I hit the key for the first time.  The new harness will be a lot simpler than the original harness, and I'll draw up a fresh schematic when it's all done including the repurposed hardware.
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    « Reply #847 on: November 19, 2020, 05:11:12 pm »
    ...it's funny, and a bit disappointing...how difficult it is to find a simple 3-speed shifter automatic transmission, which is the main reason why I really like the older Mopar A/D100 dash shifters.  I'm going to use one in the Dakota, and I have one more, tho it was my spare for the nice one that went in Bud.  Anyway, I'm looking for another good quality shifter, but I'm not sure I need the cable itself - it looks to be a simple Morse style cable and I'm pretty sure I can replicate it with something new - just need to edu-ma-cate myself on cable terminology and look for something from B&M or Lokar or such.  Here's some pics of the shifter I'm looking to use, and the cable ends -





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