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Re: Second Cummins.. still have questions
« Reply #100 on: April 26, 2020, 11:25:19 pm »
ok. i have only seen them on the 1 tons. i figure they were there to help support the extra weight that they were rated to haul
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    Re: Second Cummins.. still have questions
    « Reply #101 on: April 27, 2020, 01:06:09 am »
    yes overloads came as a mono leaf on some of the lighter units , if you LOOK you'll see 3 small holes at the front and rear where the perches attach , even on trucks with out them the holes are usually there , the thickness of the spacer between the 2 sets of springs can help with a soft ride unless loaded . the perches can be bought at a spring shop .... or fabricated .
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    Re: Second Cummins.. still have questions
    « Reply #102 on: April 27, 2020, 09:50:52 pm »
    Ya, still lots of tweaking to go.

    I get what you mean about the front end being higher.. been there before haha.
    Well the rear may need something done about the springs as well. Even just an added leaf or 2. Right now, with a very heavy load and the air bags full the tires come very close to bottoming out. It slightly rubs on bumps. An extra inch would be good.

    Just googling the tires, I think they're 3087 lb. I suppose that should be enough, but when I replace the tires I'll see what's available in a higher weight rating just to be safe.

    So if the overloads and frame size doesn't make a 1 ton a 1 ton, what does?
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    Re: Second Cummins.. still have questions
    « Reply #103 on: April 27, 2020, 11:42:22 pm »
    if you look at the fsms they list the gvw of "1 tons" from x to xx amount , the reason is differences in the options that were installed new . think about it , your squashing your tires , how many does your truck use ? 4 ? 6 ? did it have a 12 foot flatbed or dump body ? or did it have an 8 foot tin pick up box ? either was called a 1 ton .. the vin will have the "as built" gvw designation .  adding a dana 60 front axle to a 3/4 ton is not the only difference to change one into a 1 ton ... lots of little things went with it ... even the dualie pick up and the drw c/c trucks were different in their gvw  and both have 6 wheels .....

     heck buy a new one ton and you can haul 35,000 pounds ............ yeah right , YOU can , I'm not ..... years ago the big 3 made trucks like a 40 series , a 450 series ... a pick up cab on a heavier chassis , LOOKED like a pick up some one changed the rear body on ... wasn't , they are back to doing that now .... so the guy sees the 550 and "knows" he can haul the same load safely with a 350...and buys one ... yeah ... no...... a sales gimmic ..
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    93w250LB51844/60posi 318"New Truck"
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    Re: Second Cummins.. still have questions
    « Reply #104 on: April 28, 2020, 01:00:07 pm »
    My 77 W200, has a 9000 LB GVW. My 85 W300 has an 8540 GVW. Do not try to make sense out of it.

    You basically have to look at each years offering, and compare what each model has. My sisters 2018 F150, has a smaller engine then my Pacifica, and can haul more then any of my trucks.
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    Re: Second Cummins.. still have questions
    « Reply #105 on: April 28, 2020, 01:29:46 pm »
    So if the overloads and frame size doesn't make a 1 ton a 1 ton, what does?

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    Re: Second Cummins.. still have questions
    « Reply #106 on: April 28, 2020, 08:46:51 pm »
    Interesting stuff. I just thought there was a pretty set difference in the 1/2, 3/4 and 1 tons.

    What I find interesting is that insurance uses the vin to price the coverage of the vehicle. I wanted a 3/4 ton because it's cheaper and I don't need yearly safeties done. Seems that maybe a little spring upgrade (guess I got air bags) and some tires that can hold up and I'm about good as it'll get for a little pick up.
    I don't think I can get any bigger brakes, right?
    The badge is an easy fix ;)

    Little update. I decided I don't have time right now to deal with the oil pan on this truck. I did an oil and filter change today since it was time.

    Yesterday I was following the truck and it was acting up again. Was fine, then slowed down to 70 km on the highway, smoked and had no power.
    Can't tell if it's transmission or engine or injection pump.. But it's going to have to get me by as the 91 just quit as well.
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    Re: Second Cummins.. still have questions
    « Reply #107 on: April 28, 2020, 09:16:46 pm »
    Interesting stuff. I just thought there was a pretty set difference in the 1/2, 3/4 and 1 tons.

    What I find interesting is that insurance uses the vin to price the coverage of the vehicle. I wanted a 3/4 ton because it's cheaper and I don't need yearly safeties done. Seems that maybe a little spring upgrade (guess I got air bags) and some tires that can hold up and I'm about good as it'll get for a little pick up.
    I don't think I can get any bigger brakes, right?
    The badge is an easy fix ;)
    Thats something I do not understand. I got my 85 from a govt auction in Salt lake city, so except for a few pics, it was sight unseen. Thats how I first learned that they make 1 tons with a D44 front axle. Except for the full time, and part time front axles, all my trucks are pretty much the same setup. Same here, the registration, and insurance is more for my 85 W350, then for any of the rest of my trucks.  Crazy
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    Re: Second Cummins.. still have questions
    « Reply #108 on: April 28, 2020, 10:21:13 pm »
    you can do 3" brake shoes in the back if it doesn't have them already but hopefully you don't need back brakes yet. they looked brand new when you had the truck safetied and still seem to work good last time i checked.
    https://www.dieseltruckresource.com/forums/1st-gen-ram-all-topics-93/1st-gen-3-brakes-63137/

    if we could find a add a leaf kit like the factory 1 i posted a pic of that would work pretty good for you. would give you the extra support when loaded but ride a bit nicer when unload kind of like the air bags allow.

    i know next couple days look crappy out but if you need a hand troubleshooting let me know. have you tried draining the water out of the fuel filter? i know it probably isn't the issue but something you are probably suppose to check at the oil change interval anyways.
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    Re: Second Cummins.. still have questions
    « Reply #109 on: April 29, 2020, 12:05:20 am »
    a steel spacer "block" 1 hole in the center , 2-3 inches thick,( "road" plate)  and a mono taper leaf , fab the saddles , ( 4" heavy wall pipe cut in half , and some 3/8ths plate ) so they do not touch untill a load is applied . .
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    87w150 44/corp727 kandy w/ ghost bats/summer
    86-D/W100 44/corp/318mag/carb/4500/aka shit box/winter
    93w150short/44/corp/360/le/mag "caddie"
    93w250LB51844/60posi 318"New Truck"
    93w350 6 tire CC 60 c/a flat bed dump

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    Re: Second Cummins.. still have questions
    « Reply #110 on: April 29, 2020, 05:27:23 pm »
    1 ton with D44.. I'm more confused then I was before..

    If insurance is happy and mto is happy I guess it works for me. I really like the over load spring idea. Pulling the old leafs would be a pain and they're not that bad.

    Suppose I'm not positive, but I believe they we're the 2.5" brakes like the 91. But we did only peek as the mechanic did his thing. It's stopping better with the new proportioning valve. Guess it needed a little more stop in the back end.

    Today I drove the truck and it's feeling like an OD issue. Above 70-80 km it acts up once the trucks at operating temp. It can be fine for a while, then out of nowhere it looses power. Drove a little while with OD off and it felt fine (for city driving) I can't give much more info since I didn't get on the highway or drive very long between jobs.

    I'm a fan of the OD switch on the shift lever, and would like to do it on this truck, but half the time I'm not driving it, so I worry anyone else may forget to use it properly.
    I've got a brand new TPS, but for the cost of them, I'd rather not use it if I don't have to.

    Also I've been wanting to install the B&M trans pan, but figured I'd wait for the trans rebuild. With that the sensor for the trans temp.

    Kind of considering swapping the pan, fluid and filter change and a band adjustment to see if it's any better.
    Just worried it may make it worse and I can't use the truck at all.
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    Re: Second Cummins.. still have questions
    « Reply #111 on: April 29, 2020, 05:55:11 pm »
    Just reading that 3" brake page. It's crazy even the drum is the same for both 2.5" and 3".
    May just go that route one day if there not 3" already.
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    Re: Second Cummins.. still have questions
    « Reply #112 on: April 29, 2020, 06:33:37 pm »
    but i am pretty sure the mechanic was even impressed when he pulled the drum off and found new brakes shoes and new drums. i am pretty sure i remember you saying something about the previous owner having it at the shop to fix the brakes or something even tho we had to replace the booster to make them work properly.

    ya it is a simple upgrade. i think i read some people running bit larger bore wheel cylinders but probably are not really needed. not like it is that hard to lock up the rear brakes on these things.

    i really don't know what to say about the running issue. i almost wonder if there is something funny in the injections pump or maybe we didn't do something right when we installed it since it ran better with the old pump jumping all over the place than it does with that pump.

    wouldn't hurt to try changing out the trans fluid and install the new pan. maybe check things out and adjust them. how does the fluid smell lately? i had to flush the elcamino's transmission last summer which sucked but i found a ton of crap in the pan when i dropped it. there was actually small mountains of debris. i have a feeling it is a ticking time bomb but fluid has been staying clean since the flush. just suck atf+4 like you need is so expensive.
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    Re: Second Cummins.. still have questions
    « Reply #113 on: April 30, 2020, 06:40:34 pm »
    I'm forgetting now, but I believe the PO said they had done brake work. I'll likely wait until they need changing to think about the 3" pads. Ya I read the wheel cylinder thing too. Wonder if I'd be ok with just the adjustable proportioning valve and the bigger pads.

    When I'm able to afford it, I want to get another ve pump and see what swapping it does. Never hurts to have a spare or 2 anyway.

    I know it's not going to change anything but I just got some vacuum system plugs off amazon. Used one 2 plug that cut off return line that dribbled, hooked up the T fitting on the other open end and see no leaks. Hope that helps a bit with fuel mileage now that any return fuel will be going back to the tank not the ground  {cool}

    Maybe in the next few weeks you can give me a hand with some tinkering. We've got work booked until nearly the end of next month but I'm making sure to take off at least 1-2 days each week for fixing shit  ::)
    I THINK I've got enough aft in the shed to do the job.
    It's been smelling OK, it's a little dark, but still very red and not overly burned smelling. The previous transmissions I could see the fluid get dark and smell it before even pulling the stick.

    Damn, you found that much junk in there?! It feels good getting a job like that done and seeing how much crap can come out of something that's suppose to be clean. Doing the oil pan the other day I expected SOMETHING in there, but it was mint.

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    Re: Second Cummins.. still have questions
    « Reply #114 on: April 30, 2020, 09:52:56 pm »
    will most likely be fine with old wheel cylinders.

    maybe we can take the top off the 1 injection pump and drop it onto the other one. the other pump seemed fine other than the 1 piece that broke or maybe just throw more boost at it and hope it start working like it should.

    sounds good. weather is starting to look like really good wrenching weather. hopefully that is atf and not power steering fluid that you are thinking of lol. i know they look the same

    ya. i am hoping it may have just been from it being rebuilt and then never being serviced after the rebuild. still shifts firm. just sucked to pump about 12 liters through it to clean out the system but it likely needed it. fluid has been staying clean since. i think i remember your 91 requiring a lot more than that when we filled it so flushing your trans would suck for the wallet even more
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    81 d150 long box 318 670CFM Holley Carb
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