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Who's got Lokar's kickdown/throttle cable setup?
« on: February 14, 2005, 11:24:05 AM »
    I am very interested in buying Lokar's throttle cable/trans kickdown cables and cable mount. I really only have one reservation about it, Is there a way accommodate the factory cruise control? By looking at the pictures, I can't really come up with my own method, but if I had it in my hands, I might. However I might have to keep the factory mount in place which almost defeats the purpose.
    Also, what are your opinions about the setup? Is it the cats meow? Or is it just kinda nice?
Please share your thoughts and ideas (then send me the cash so I can buy it now instead of later! ;D).
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RE: Who's got Lokar's kickdown/throttle cable setup?
« Reply #1 on: February 14, 2005, 12:05:45 PM »
I never drove the truck with the old set up so when I rebuilt everything I bought both shifter cable and kick down cable. Super easy and it is pretty slick! As far as cruise stuff I ditch all that too. I am not a big cruise control person.
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RE: Who's got Lokar's kickdown/throttle cable setup?
« Reply #2 on: February 14, 2005, 12:10:31 PM »
I have been through three seperate carb setups with my Lokar K/D cable (original 1 bbl, 2 bbl, and 4 bbl) And was able to easily adapt the cable to all three setups, even though the 2 bbl carb rotated all the linkages 90* from the 1 and 4 bbl carbs.

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RE: Who's got Lokar's kickdown/throttle cable setup?
« Reply #3 on: February 14, 2005, 01:38:03 PM »
I went low-buck and fabbed a taller repositioned bracket, and lengthened the K/D rod with threaded couplings after my 2bbl Holley to 4bbl TQ conversion. A year later, my trans needed rebuilt. I think my line pressure was just barely low enough for long enough.
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RE: Who's got Lokar's kickdown/throttle cable setup?
« Reply #4 on: February 14, 2005, 07:12:58 PM »
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RE: Who's got Lokar's kickdown/throttle cable setup?
« Reply #5 on: February 14, 2005, 09:36:28 PM »
I currently have it on my RC and also had it on my '69 Coronet with a transplanted 383.  
It works great and is infinately adjustable.  You will have to custom cut the cable for your application but then just fine tweaks to get the kickdown perfect.  My RC shifts and drives like a new truck after I installed it and tweaked it in.  
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« Reply #6 on: February 17, 2005, 08:50:49 PM »
I agree! Once you get tired of messing with jury-rigged linkages that you find at the JY, get the Lokar. My RC with the 727 never ran sweeter. No more headaches.

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Re:Who's got Lokar's kickdown/throttle cable setup?
« Reply #7 on: February 17, 2005, 11:00:28 PM »
Thanks for the input lads. I ordered the kickdown, throttle cables and mounting bracket yesterday.
I'll just figure out a way to hook up the cruise control later. 8)
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Re:Who's got Lokar's kickdown/throttle cable setup?
« Reply #8 on: February 19, 2005, 08:59:17 PM »
Ok, job done. I'll post before and after pics tomorrow.
Now a couple of questions for those who are using the kickdown cable:

I am not able to use the full stroke of the kickdown lever (at the trans) with this setup (i.e. if I set the cable to have the kickdown lever full forward at idle, it doesn't go full rear when the carb is at WOT.
-Is yours the same way, if not what did you do to fix it?
-Am I correct in assuming that I should be able to use the full travel of the kickdown lever?

Also, with the engine off, the shift lever doesn't return to the full forward postion. With the engine on, it does return almost all of the way. My 2000 (which comes from the factory with a kd cable) has a return spring at the lever.

-Did you find a need to put a return spring on the lever?
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RE: Who's got Lokar's kickdown/throttle cable setup?
« Reply #9 on: February 19, 2005, 09:06:14 PM »
My truck doesn't have cruise, but I would really like it.  Are there any kits, or would it be hard to take it out of an RC or ram and put in mine?  How does the cruise system work?

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RE: Who's got Lokar's kickdown/throttle cable setup?
« Reply #10 on: February 20, 2005, 06:57:34 PM »
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I did add a return spring for the trans lever to help pull it all the way forward.  It does increase throttle pedal effort, but it was nothing I wasn't used to in a couple days.

In regards to getting full travel of the trans lever, two options:

1) Drill a hole in the trans lever inside the existing one, so less cable pulls the lever further.

2) Use a hole further out on the carb linkage (if one exists), so it pulls more cable.  If one does not exist, you could fab a new linkage with a longer arm, but drilling a new hole in the trans lever is much easier IMO.

I had a similar problem with my 2 bbl carb not pulling the linkage far enough.  I drilled a new hole in the trans lever.  The 4 bbl carb linkage (Holley 4160) had enough travel for me to use the factory trans lever hole. :-\

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Re:Who's got Lokar's kickdown/throttle cable setup?
« Reply #11 on: February 20, 2005, 11:24:38 PM »
Thanks for the ideas SM. I also thought of those two options, but I just wanted to make sure I just wasn't missing something since this issue wasn't brought up in this thread or in the instructions. I think I'll go with drilling the lever at the trans.
Now for kicks and giggles, here's a before picture:


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Re:Who's got Lokar's kickdown/throttle cable setup?
« Reply #12 on: February 20, 2005, 11:26:04 PM »
...and an after:

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Re:Who's got Lokar's kickdown/throttle cable setup?
« Reply #13 on: February 20, 2005, 11:29:48 PM »
It sure simplified the setup and cleaned it up nice. My gas pedal is so easy to push now I feel like I have 50 more HP. :P ;D
And since I'm picture-posting-happy right now, here's a close up.

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« Reply #14 on: February 21, 2005, 09:37:06 AM »
Thanks for the pictures.  

It sure does clean up that area.
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RE: Who's got Lokar's kickdown/throttle cable setup?
« Reply #15 on: February 21, 2005, 02:36:12 PM »
do you have any pics of the bottom end at the trans ??
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Re:Who's got Lokar's kickdown/throttle cable setup?
« Reply #16 on: February 21, 2005, 08:42:14 PM »
     Just in case somebody else does this mod with an Edelbrock carb, here are some pictures showing where I drilled the shift lever to allow full travel.
     The shape of the lever (from the side), starts out level (parallel to the trans pan), then has a slight angle upwords, then level again where the stock pivot point was. I drilled and mounted the pivot point smack dab in the middle of the "angled" part, and it turned out perfectly.
     Also, what you can't see in the photo is where I mounted the opposite end of the return spring. On lower side of the bellhousing, the is a small, flat cast "hump" that's in the perfect spot for the spring to mount.
    After removing the kickdown lever and the shift lever, I was able to get my drill up there and drill a small hole in the "hump". I then just used the stock return spring that was originally mounted up on the kickdown linkage at the carb (from the factory), between the "hump" and the hole where the original pivot point was on the lever.
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« Reply #17 on: February 21, 2005, 08:45:25 PM »
Here's another shot from above. It's not very clear though, sorry! :(
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Re: Who's got Lokar's kickdown/throttle cable setup?
« Reply #18 on: November 3, 2005, 07:09:01 PM »
I hooked up my Lokar throttle cable tonight, got it cut and tweaked and it works good.  I haven't gotten to the kickdown yet, hopefully tomorrow or the weekend.  Will hooking up the kickdown stuff make the pedal any harder to push?  Its SO easy compared to my Ramcharger. 

Also do you have any tips to adjusting the Edelbrock carb?  I have a 1406 I put on my 318, a I do not know how to set up how the secondaries work.  I also need to get an electric choke because the other owner of the carb took it off.
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Re: Who's got Lokar's kickdown/throttle cable setup?
« Reply #19 on: January 8, 2006, 01:02:02 AM »
so this is better for a 2bbl to 4bbl swap then using the factory linkage.

still not too clear on the trans linkage.
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« Reply #20 on: January 8, 2006, 11:27:43 PM »
so this is better for a 2bbl to 4bbl swap then using the factory linkage.

I think so, only down side is it costs a bit more. I should have done it years ago.

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still not too clear on the trans linkage.

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« Reply #21 on: January 9, 2006, 01:16:23 AM »
which parts you had too drill? the ones down on the transmission right?

also is the spring you were referring too down there also? im having difficulty pictureing it (one of those touchy feely learning kind of people)
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« Reply #22 on: January 9, 2006, 09:25:56 AM »
The best thing I can do is refer you to replies # 16 and 17 of this thread.
If you need another photo angle let me know. It's too bad I didn't know this yesterday morning, I was installing a shift kit and I had the lever removed, I could have taken a much better photo of it then. :(
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« Reply #23 on: January 20, 2006, 04:59:08 PM »
I have the same setup on my 71 charger with a 383. It only took about 30minutes to hook up both and you shouldnt have to drill any holes.
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« Reply #24 on: January 20, 2006, 05:51:26 PM »
So what does this setup run $$ whys?  And did you find that one place offered better princing then others? I'm just in the process of rounding up all the pieces for my throtle/cruise control/kickdown and this looks way cleaner, if the price  isn't to high I think I'd rather go this route. Thanks for any info.
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« Reply #25 on: January 20, 2006, 09:31:13 PM »
and you shouldnt have to drill any holes.

At least with an Eddy carb, if you don't drill a hole in the shift lever, you won't get the full stroke from it.

So what does this setup run $$ whys? And did you find that one place offered better princing then others? I'm just in the process of rounding up all the pieces for my throtle/cruise control/kickdown and this looks way cleaner, if the price isn't to high I think I'd rather go this route. Thanks for any info.

I think I paid about $120.00, for the KD cable, T-cable and bracket. You can just get the KD cable (around $50 I think), but you have to fab a little. Also note, if you want to use cruise control, you'll have to fab that part yourself. I haven't done this yet.

I only compared prices at Jegs and Summit. Summit was slightly cheaper.
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« Reply #26 on: January 22, 2006, 10:11:53 PM »
That's not bad, Thnaks for the info.
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« Reply #27 on: February 9, 2006, 10:46:09 AM »
I have the kickdown cable and bracket but haven't got a throttle cable yet, has anyone done it this way or should I wait and get the throttle cable before installing it?
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« Reply #28 on: February 9, 2006, 11:16:33 AM »
By referencing the photos above, I believe the stock bracket would interfere with the Lokar bracket.
You could rig it like ChrisLib did but that is without using Lokar's bracket.
I would wait and get the throttle cable if it were me.
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« Reply #29 on: February 9, 2006, 05:24:45 PM »
I would wait to get the throttle cable too.  I had the kickdown cable at one point, and went to install it and what a pain it was going to be to try to rig it up so that it would work half ways like it was supposed to.  I gave up and sold the kickdown cable.   The throttle cable makes the installation so much easier.
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« Reply #30 on: February 13, 2006, 07:30:41 PM »
What bolt does the bracket on the kickdown bolt to the trans? could u take a picture of that? and also, i cant seem the get the throttle cable through the fac hole in the firewall..did u have to drill it out some?
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« Reply #31 on: February 13, 2006, 08:01:22 PM »
Mine came with a clevis on the pedal end of the throttle cable that would not fit through the firewall, but after a few minutes of trying to figure out how to modify the petal to accept the clevis I figured out that once the clevis was removed it had a ball on the end of the cable, which hooked to my pedal just like the factory cable.
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« Reply #32 on: February 13, 2006, 08:06:17 PM »
Yes, I drilled a bigger hole in the firewall so the large end of the cable sleeve would fit.

As far as the bracket, I don't have a d-camera right now. Doesn't your instructions show you which bolt? Mine do.
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« Reply #33 on: March 5, 2006, 08:22:17 PM »
I got it all hooked up..drilled the level and got it cut and tweeked, installed a spring for the level and it is VERY hard to push the gas pedel. I mean... Its crazy how much effort i have to push. I took off the spring and its good..but then the level doesnt go all the way back and im shifting at  2800 rpm at wot. Dont think that is normal...

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Re: Who's got Lokar's kickdown/throttle cable setup?
« Reply #34 on: March 6, 2006, 12:29:57 AM »
Try a lighter spring. Intially, I just used the light spring that was mounted up on the factory kickdown (at the carb) and it worked well.
I ended up finding another spring that worked better, but the other one was just fine.
Mine is still much easier to push than the factory setup.
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« Reply #35 on: March 6, 2006, 08:18:05 PM »
alright..got 'cha! Kinda making me want to resort to just getting the factory 4 barrel linkage... ehh.
Hopefully it will be drivable in a couple of days..
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« Reply #36 on: March 6, 2006, 10:40:50 PM »
You guys have some part numbers for these things from Summit?  I'm doing a 518 swap on my 89 and think this might simplify some stuff.  I see Summit has a specific 518 kit, but is there one kit with the K/D and throttle cables together, or are they separate?  What about the carb and trans brackets, do they come with the kits?
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Re: Who's got Lokar's kickdown/throttle cable setup?
« Reply #37 on: March 7, 2006, 11:41:48 PM »
I don't remember the part numbers but the can easily be found at www.lokar.com.

The K/D cable, throttle cable and bracket were all sold seperately, however, I just found on Lokar's site that the throttle cable and bracket can now be bought as a kit, probably a bit cheaper. I think they are called duo-kits.
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Re: Who's got Lokar's kickdown/throttle cable setup?
« Reply #38 on: October 5, 2006, 09:30:20 AM »
I just remembered something that I wanted to add to this...After having installed a shift kit and having my valve body apart, I can see that the return spring on the lever is not needed.

The first little bit of travel of the kickdown lever does absolutely nothing in the VB, it is just free play. When the lever does actually contact the kickdown valve, the vavle will spring back on its own once the lever/throttle is released.
Does this make sense?

I will say that a spring, even if temporary, would help in getting the initial setup correct though.
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Re: Who's got Lokar's kickdown/throttle cable setup?
« Reply #39 on: October 7, 2006, 05:09:34 PM »
Thanks for the update, I'm still planning on getting the kit. and the more info the better.
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Re: Who's got Lokar's kickdown/throttle cable setup?
« Reply #40 on: October 8, 2006, 05:46:56 AM »
I just remembered something that I wanted to add to this...After having installed a shift kit and having my valve body apart, I can see that the return spring on the lever is not needed.

The first little bit of travel of the kickdown lever does absolutely nothing in the VB, it is just free play. When the lever does actually contact the kickdown valve, the vavle will spring back on its own once the lever/throttle is released.
Does this make sense?

I will say that a spring, even if temporary, would help in getting the initial setup correct though.

My  727 kickdown lever does the same thing, first bit just free play and then it contact the valve.
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Re: Who's got Lokar's kickdown/throttle cable setup?
« Reply #41 on: March 24, 2007, 05:10:01 PM »
ok this was way more useful now i understand what i need ot do to use this loakr set up like i want too ..just al ittle different using a holley will snap some pics oncei  get the throttle cable ordered ...might go backto the factory set up if i can find the kick down rod from somebody who might have one .... i got the friggin bracket from lokar but u are right it \]'s not gonna work like that with out the lokar throttle cable ...i sen the them an e mail and bitched about it ....  >:(

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Re: Who's got Lokar's kickdown/throttle cable setup?
« Reply #42 on: July 21, 2007, 10:20:46 AM »
I recently replaced the original 318/2 in my 86 D250 with a rebuilt 87 360/Edelbrock 1405 and the correct Mopar part number for the kickdown rod is 4287963 and can still be ordered at the dealer.

Thanks for the pictures KThaxton :)

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Re: Who's got Lokar's kickdown/throttle cable setup?
« Reply #43 on: September 27, 2007, 06:44:13 PM »
Hey Kendall, finally got mine done with pics. Mine really did add an 50-100hp because the old system was binding up,not allowing the secondaries to open up. Thanks again for the help. Here's the before and afters.

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« Reply #44 on: September 27, 2007, 06:47:01 PM »
And underneath. Just used existing holes, no drilling.
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Re: Who's got Lokar's kickdown/throttle cable setup?
« Reply #45 on: September 30, 2007, 06:02:04 PM »
Looks great! I have the same setup. Anybody add the cruise cable to their lokar setup?
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Re: Who's got Lokar's kickdown/throttle cable setup?
« Reply #46 on: September 30, 2007, 09:32:00 PM »
Looks great! I have the same setup. Anybody add the cruise cable to their lokar setup?
Still working on that.

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Re: Who's got Lokar's kickdown/throttle cable setup?
« Reply #47 on: September 30, 2007, 09:54:33 PM »
I'm working on it too, I just havnt found a way to attach the flex cable to the lokar brackets, band clamps seem kind of cheesy, and a stack of washers and a bolt holding the cable end to the throttle bracket seems kind of sketchy too. If anybody has a picture of their cruise setup they would like to post that would be greatly appreciated!
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Re: Who's got Lokar's kickdown/throttle cable setup?
« Reply #48 on: October 3, 2007, 06:32:34 AM »
if you are gonna buy this, and I highly recommend it, go to mancini racing.

they sell it under their name for a few bucks less, and it is Lokar stuff....

and the spring on the kickdown is mainly for initial setup, but it is supposed to be there.  without it, it is hard to setup the kd correctly
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« Reply #49 on: October 3, 2007, 10:29:18 PM »
There Kendall a little Karma, I thanked you the proper way. Like you haven't got enough already. But that meant a lot to me to have you call me back like that.

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