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Jungle's (Jim) Shackle Flip Kit Install and Review
« on: July 4, 2009, 04:47:00 PM »
Many of you have seen that Jim (Jungle) is making another type of shackle flip kit.

I will be installing one of these kits on one of my RC's for testing.

It will be installed on a 1978 Ramcharger poptop.  360 cid/np435/203 factory axles.  The body of this truck has been removed and is being replaced with a different one at a later date. 

Jim has also designed a replacement front spring rear bushing/housing that is bigger and more heavy duty.  This will also be replaced on this truck. 

Other mods happening at the same time but not all at once are 6" lift springs in the front and 2" lift springs in the rear (These came off a previous project) and installing a dana 60 in the rear.  I will get measurements to the frame sitting factory, installing the shackle flip kit and getting measurements.  Then removing the blocks and getting measurements.  Then finally instlling the D60 rear, measuring.
I am going to try get take as many pics as I can of the install and in as much detail as possible.  If you have questions during the install feel free to ask and I will answer your questions as I can.

Just to give you an idea of were I am starting





Factory springs and hangers





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Re: Jungle's (Jim) Shackle Flip Kit Install and Review
« Reply #1 on: July 4, 2009, 05:06:02 PM »
nice .... sounds like exactly what i am doing but i think mines gonna have a body on it at the time of install

and i am running 4 inch rear springs 
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Re: Jungle's (Jim) Shackle Flip Kit Install and Review
« Reply #2 on: July 4, 2009, 07:18:52 PM »
Decide to get started on the springs

Here are the front springs and as you can see the bushings came right out.  But they had been changed before, they were poly bushing already.





These are the rear springs, they have a little over 2" of lift



I got lucky the bolts came right out and the factory hangers came right off.



These are for sale if you need them $40 shipped!

Wasn't so lucky with the rear bushings.  They had to be pressed out.  



Now keep in mind that so far I am doing this in my shop/garage.  I don't have all those high dollar tools other people have at there disposal.  I have a 20 ton press from Harbor Freight (which has been good to me) and a compressor and some air tools.  So don't think this can't be done by anyone.



I have a cheap set of metric impact sockets that get used with the press when needed and the 21mm fits the bushings and sleeve just right.



Few minutes later they were all out.





Now a quick check to make sure the bushing that were INCLUDED in the kit were going to fit.





And then to do the installing, a little slick'um makes this alot easier, well that and a soft mallet







I do have one problem



The bushings Jim set in the kit are black, the ones I have are red.  This is unacceptable

Jim if you read this I NEED ANOTHER SET OF FRONT BUSHINGS!   ;D
Guess I need to buy a set of black ones
« Last Edit: July 4, 2009, 07:34:06 PM by warlock4x4 »
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Re: Jungle's (Jim) Shackle Flip Kit Install and Review
« Reply #3 on: July 4, 2009, 07:57:50 PM »
I told Jim when I got these that the pictures he sent did not do them justice.  So I am going to play salesman and show you how great this kit is

First - rear springs front hanger







You can see the quality built into these hangers

Check out the greaseable bolts and lock nuts





Now for the rear spring rear hanger and replacement shackle







Same greaseable bolts and lock nuts



Now for the front spring rear bushing and housing.

This thing is huge compared to the factory one



Same greaseable bolts and lock nuts



One thing I asked Jim about when he told me this thing was bigger than the factory one was how to cut the hole bigger without the fancy equipment, he had the solution already.



This thing bolts to the frame and you can use a 2" hole sawto enlarge the hole



The bushing is larger than factory and is poly.  If you look at the bolt sizes you can see factory size and the left and heavy duty on the right



Everything being installed is greaseable so it will last a long time.

Can't wait to get this thing installed!
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Re: Jungle's (Jim) Shackle Flip Kit Install and Review
« Reply #4 on: July 4, 2009, 08:39:52 PM »
Looks great.  Another tip for putting in polyurethane bushings is to freeze them for about an hour.  That shrinks them up nice and they can be pressed in with your fingers in most cases.
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Re: Jungle's (Jim) Shackle Flip Kit Install and Review
« Reply #5 on: July 4, 2009, 09:59:25 PM »
COOL!!!! I have some Jungle Jim part on the way too!!! Can't wait to take a look at them...then stuff them in the "saggy-baggy" red pickup...My W-250....

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Re: Jungle's (Jim) Shackle Flip Kit Install and Review
« Reply #6 on: July 5, 2009, 03:24:07 AM »
Thanks guys!!!
I did try to get the red bushings but as you know the dodge stuff is HARD to find & the minimum order for the red was out of reach. One of the reasons for the grease fittings is so the bolts don't rust to the sleeves making disassemble almost impossible without cutting them out. Secondly is the greased parts will last a lot longer. Rockey Mountain suspension does a small inexpensive grease gun for the poly stuff if you feel you need the special grease. I'm still on the fence on this one, but will probably get one when I get closer on mine. Chris this is a super nice write up!!!!! Thank you!!!
Chris PM me if you need the Black greaseable bushing setup. Also where they are used so we get the size right. I should have stock on hand.
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Re: Jungle's (Jim) Shackle Flip Kit Install and Review
« Reply #7 on: July 5, 2009, 11:14:36 AM »
looks like i might have fun getting bushings out of springs .... i dont have a press  ???
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Re: Jungle's (Jim) Shackle Flip Kit Install and Review
« Reply #8 on: July 5, 2009, 11:23:06 AM »
I would like to do this to my 1 ton 4dr but im not sure that it would be able to handling a big load on a trailer. Can any one tell me if they would work. Are these for sale yet.
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Re: Jungle's (Jim) Shackle Flip Kit Install and Review
« Reply #9 on: July 5, 2009, 01:37:22 PM »
I'd say Jim's brackets are much stronger than the factory stamped pieces and should handle a trailer just fine.  Remember, only the tongue weight of the trailer rides on the truck's suspension if the trailer is loaded correctly.

One other thing that I really like about Jim's brackets, they don't have a pocket that will hold years of dirt and mud in them.  I still can't understand why Dodge and GM both made brackets like that but I have seen many rust all the way through.  The set of factory brackets I cut off a frame ended up being too thin due to rust so if I do decide to do a shackle flip, if funds are available, I'll definitely be using Jim's brackets.
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Re: Jungle's (Jim) Shackle Flip Kit Install and Review
« Reply #10 on: July 7, 2009, 07:44:35 PM »
Started on removing the factory hangers today. 

Since all the measurements will be done without the springs being bolted down to the axle I decided to remove the u-bolts and cycle the springs a little prior to taking any measurements. 



Now I am planning on doing the u-bolt flip as well so I was not worried about saving the u-bolts, makes for easy removal just used the grinder and POW!



Also I removed the the top bolt in the shocks, which will not be used either.



I measured from the ground up to the bottom of the frame and got 26 1/2", this is my starting numbers.  I will also be measuring another RC to check measurements.

Started removing the bolts on the springs which started out easy enough



Ofcoarse there is always one bolt that does not want to cooperate and you have to get a little creative



After getting the springs off I started removing the rivets on the hangers.  Nothing fancy here just used a grinder with a cut-off wheel.  If you have access to an air chisel then it is much easier and faster, but I don't have a compressor where the RC is stored YET!  Once the rivets have been cut off some carefully placed hits with a rather large hammer or BHF if you prefer the hanger will pop off.  If it still wants to be stubborn then driving a cold chisel in between the frame and the hanger will help.  Still having problems you might have to do a little more grinding on the area of the rivets and some muscle.  Most of the time after the hanger has been removed a couple real good swings with a maul will drive the rivets out.  If they still don't come out it is back to the grinder, you may need a punch also.  When you get the out it will look like this






Tomarrow I will remove the hangers on the other side and get everything ready for the installation.

 
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Re: Jungle's (Jim) Shackle Flip Kit Install and Review
« Reply #11 on: July 7, 2009, 08:00:01 PM »
I must have missed something. How much does the entire kit cost? Jungle is taking it to production level?

I am a DIY'er through and through, although the quality of the product appears beyond my scope, within a reasonable amount of time.
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Re: Jungle's (Jim) Shackle Flip Kit Install and Review
« Reply #12 on: July 7, 2009, 08:24:34 PM »
A note on axle U-bolts.  Never worry about cutting them as you should never reuse them anyway.  They bend and stretch to fit and shouldn't be used twice.
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Re: Jungle's (Jim) Shackle Flip Kit Install and Review
« Reply #13 on: July 7, 2009, 11:47:12 PM »
any idea when this is going to ready for the rest of us to buy , and how much.
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Re: Jungle's (Jim) Shackle Flip Kit Install and Review
« Reply #14 on: July 8, 2009, 03:54:12 AM »
OK guys after Chris ( warlock4x4 ) & Tim (Mopar_tim) get theirs installed & hopefully don't run into any curves we will be offering them for sale. Also, with the help of Chris & Tim, I want to make up a drill template so the install will go easier. The front HD frame bushings are available for sale right now. I have them listed in the parts for sale section. I plan on making up kits ahead of time so there is not a long lead time in getting the product out to a customer.


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Without the body, how are you going to keep the axle in correct location in the wheel well opening? It looks a lot easier to remove the spring hangers without the body on!!
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Re: Jungle's (Jim) Shackle Flip Kit Install and Review
« Reply #15 on: July 8, 2009, 06:43:58 AM »
I am not using the longer Chebby springs like some people (Jim) so the locating of the hangers in relation to the factory ones is were I am planning on going.  The axle should end up in the same location as stock.
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Re: Jungle's (Jim) Shackle Flip Kit Install and Review
« Reply #16 on: July 8, 2009, 09:24:14 AM »
Nobody else mentioned it, but you do have frame rot showing on the one pic after you took the hanger off, make sure you fit it before you put anything else n there!
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« Reply #17 on: July 8, 2009, 09:55:46 AM »
There is some surface rust but so far nothing I would consider rot.
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« Reply #18 on: July 8, 2009, 12:17:16 PM »
There is some surface rust but so far nothing I would consider rot.

http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2384223970086843884ZUcfqA
Sure looks like a hole in this picture, inbetween the left two bolt holes....
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Re: Jungle's (Jim) Shackle Flip Kit Install and Review
« Reply #19 on: July 8, 2009, 12:45:37 PM »
 Its ok... Chris just bring them across the water to me and we can put them on my truck since im getting ready to do mine anyways.  ;D Just have to watch the traffic on the way back with that screwed up tunnel lately
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« Reply #20 on: July 8, 2009, 04:23:10 PM »
that looks like a spot he hit with the grinder and the light it making it look like a hole
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« Reply #21 on: July 8, 2009, 07:33:15 PM »
Actually, on the left is the area where the hanger was making real good contact withthe frame and it is not rusted at all in that particular place.  The surrounding area has the surface rust and that area is still black.


Anyway, I did manage to get the hangers off on the other side today.  Went ahead and took a wire brush to the frame area and shot it with some rust converting paint.  Tomarrow we start mocking up the hangers and springs.
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« Reply #22 on: July 8, 2009, 08:47:54 PM »
Actually, on the left is the area where the hanger was making real good contact withthe frame and it is not rusted at all in that particular place.  The surrounding area has the surface rust and that area is still black.


Anyway, I did manage to get the hangers off on the other side today.  Went ahead and took a wire brush to the frame area and shot it with some rust converting paint.  Tomarrow we start mocking up the hangers and springs.
Good to hear, mine is rotted through in that exact same spot, just haven't gotten that far yet and that is the only reason I brought it up.  I'm not looking forward to fixing that...
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« Reply #23 on: July 9, 2009, 10:00:15 AM »
This is the greatest thing since... well since the piss on chevy stickers. I actually have been hunting for a good rear shackle flip kit for my 79 power wagon. I stumbled upon Shaggy's website and he's out of business. I contacted him and he MIGHT have a few sets laying around. We'll see... but this kit by Jim is gorgeous. Put me on that list of when they go up for sale.

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Jim, you put bowtie springs on your truck? Yuck.. could be worse though.. a guy in my town has a 78 Macho Man edition power wagon and he put a 454 in it. I honestly want to walk up to that guy and just smack him upside his head.

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Re: Jungle's (Jim) Shackle Flip Kit Install and Review
« Reply #24 on: July 9, 2009, 11:42:10 AM »


Jim, you put bowtie springs on your truck? Yuck.. could be worse though.. a guy in my town has a 78 Macho Man edition power wagon and he put a 454 in it. I honestly want to walk up to that guy and just smack him upside his head.
Lot of guys run the chevy springs, better articulation.
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« Reply #25 on: July 9, 2009, 04:21:15 PM »
i have got a bone to pick with jim ......


he did not take any pictures with any kind of scale next to the brackets ....... these things are freaking huge

when i got home and saw the 67 pound box sitting on the porch i new the day had just gotten better


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« Reply #26 on: July 9, 2009, 07:28:47 PM »
.... jim likes to call them HD
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« Reply #27 on: July 9, 2009, 11:08:27 PM »
any idea on the cost yet.
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« Reply #28 on: July 9, 2009, 11:21:05 PM »
any idea on the cost yet.
He said not for sale until both testing parties have completed the install. The bushing mounts are currently selling for $218.
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Re: Jungle's (Jim) Shackle Flip Kit Install and Review
« Reply #29 on: July 10, 2009, 04:43:52 PM »
i have got a bone to pick with jim ......


he did not take any pictures with any kind of scale next to the brackets ....... these things are freaking huge

when i got home and saw the 67 pound box sitting on the porch i new the day had just gotten better




Tim,
Sorry on the no reference scale in the pics. I could have even thrown in a stock one next to my units to show the comparison in size. There not much larger than stock but they are a lot BEEFIER or as I say HD!!
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Re: Jungle's (Jim) Shackle Flip Kit Install and Review
« Reply #30 on: July 11, 2009, 05:35:35 PM »
Lot of guys run the chevy springs, better articulation.

I selected the chevy springs because the center pin is 1.5" further back then in the stock dodge springs. When you flip the shackle the axle will move forward 1-2 inches.
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« Reply #31 on: July 11, 2009, 08:03:38 PM »
He said not for sale until both testing parties have completed the install. The bushing mounts are currently selling for $218.
I are ready know that from reading the other postings.  What does the bushing mounts have to do with the shackle flip. I asked how much the shackle flip was goining to cost !!!!!!
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« Reply #32 on: July 11, 2009, 08:14:56 PM »
I are ready know that from reading the other postings.  What does the bushing mounts have to do with the shackle flip. I asked how much the shackle flip was goining to cost !!!!!!
If they are not for sale, I bet they do not have a price. A smart move on his part if they must be modified. Doesn't wanna say "oh $300" and then find out oops, change of plan.

We all wanna know, we're all interested, just gotta have patience.
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Re: Jungle's (Jim) Shackle Flip Kit Install and Review
« Reply #33 on: July 11, 2009, 09:36:55 PM »
OK guys after Chris ( warlock4x4 ) & Tim (Mopar_tim) get theirs installed & hopefully don't run into any curves we will be offering them for sale. Also, with the help of Chris & Tim, I want to make up a drill template so the install will go easier. The front HD frame bushings are available for sale right now. I have them listed in the parts for sale section. I plan on making up kits ahead of time so there is not a long lead time in getting the product out to a customer.

Gotta read the whole thing

We all wanna know, we're all interested, just gotta have patience.

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« Reply #34 on: July 11, 2009, 09:54:01 PM »
That's right

As for you, hurry up, beat the crap out of them, and get them tested.  {gloating}  :P People are gettin impatient.  ;D

Nah, I'm just a lil excited. The parts look similar to some high quality parts available for chevys, from another site. I had considered going that route, until I found Jim is doing this specifically for dodges.
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Re: Jungle's (Jim) Shackle Flip Kit Install and Review
« Reply #35 on: July 12, 2009, 08:11:42 PM »
Well joe S if you go back into jungles first posting on these in april he said he would have a price back then. So asking over 4 months later after they were first posted and talked about isnt patient, then excuss me. There were people asking back then how much and he said it would be a week , before he got a price. I guess this site is like the rest of them there are the clicks and the rest of us are supposed to be seen and not heard.
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« Reply #36 on: July 12, 2009, 08:22:41 PM »
thats not it at all ..... jim is not doing this full time has got a job ..... and he has been spending a bunch of time re building and waiting on vendors himself .... he has been in contact with me at least once a week with up dates and asking for measurements and questions ....... custom made parts just dont happen over night

and he does not want to start selling the stuff before he knows it will actually fit ..... the frame i am putting my hangers on is 10 years older then the one he measured off of


and he is not done with the kit yet it still needs a drill template for the location of the holes ..... and we are going to work on some directions for people who just dont get it




so basically just wait some more time it will happen
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Re: Jungle's (Jim) Shackle Flip Kit Install and Review
« Reply #37 on: July 12, 2009, 10:01:09 PM »
As you can see these are in testing mode right now.  I had a conversation with Jim today about a couple of minor issues that need attention, nothing to get excited about but still needed some discussion.  He is trying to make sure they are going to work on pre and post 80's trucks/RC's.  That is one reason I am writing this review and basiclly a "how to" on the installation.  He's just getting the bugs worked out.

There is no special group you have to be part of here on RCC.  Just keep watching and you will see them for sale.
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Re: Jungle's (Jim) Shackle Flip Kit Install and Review
« Reply #38 on: July 13, 2009, 07:11:22 AM »
Well joe S if you go back into jungles first posting on these in april he said he would have a price back then. So asking over 4 months later after they were first posted and talked about isnt patient, then excuss me. There were people asking back then how much and he said it would be a week , before he got a price. I guess this site is like the rest of them there are the clicks and the rest of us are supposed to be seen and not heard.


It did take a lot longer than I thought to get to were we are now. I had to find a supplier & I had to wait forever to get the DOM tubes made. Now I know I have to get my order in 2 to 3 weeks ahead of time so I get them when I need them. It always takes a week to a week & a half to get the steel parts cut out for me. Now I have the next group on order & then in to the weld stage. It also takes a lot of cash to get all this setup & running & yes I want to get it returning to me. BUT I won't offer them for sale until we get the bugs worked out. I also want to have a template for the new hole location to supply with the kits to make the install easier. So please be patient & I will offer up a quality product for sale but not before it's ready ;).

Ps I also hold down a day job & this is a side job to help out this Dodge family on RCC.
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Re: Jungle's (Jim) Shackle Flip Kit Install and Review
« Reply #39 on: July 13, 2009, 08:56:43 PM »
New update,



got cross member lower rivets cut off and the hanger set, but





I had to remove the cross member lower brace completely since the rivets were mushroomed in between the it and the frame.  This is one of the items I have been talking to Jim about.

Also the emergency brake cable bracket will have to be addressed at a later time.  But as you can see it is verry close to the hanger.  There are a couple of ways I am thinking of to solve this dilema, from a spacer or redrilling the holes.  This will be addressed later on. 



Tomarrow we start drilling new holes, so far they all seem to clear the factory ones

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Re: Jungle's (Jim) Shackle Flip Kit Install and Review
« Reply #40 on: July 13, 2009, 09:08:13 PM »
anyway of drilling out the factory x-member lower piece so that the new mounting holes in the hangers will hold it in place ? or vs verse drill out the new hanger so it bolts in place of where the rivets used to be ?

i crawled under mine today and it looks like i am going to have the same issues
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Re: Jungle's (Jim) Shackle Flip Kit Install and Review
« Reply #41 on: July 14, 2009, 06:42:42 AM »
It looks like on the pre 80s you have to change out both rivets & on the post 80s you have to change one rivet. Some of the rivets I've ground the heads off & drove out with a punch & hammer. Some I had
 to drill out or drill a relief hole & drive out with a punch & hammer.

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The hole location on the per 80s is one of the items we need to record & adjust for future hangers. The post 80s emg brake bracket will need to be re drilled & lowered. It looks like the pre 80s because it mounts under the frame will need some kind of spacer to lower it a little to clear the front hanger.
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Re: Jungle's (Jim) Shackle Flip Kit Install and Review
« Reply #42 on: July 14, 2009, 06:50:31 AM »
My thought is to cut off the rivets on the lower part of the frame and bolt staight thru.  The holes in the hanger would have to be reloated some to clear the rivets.  As far as moving the holes to the location of the rivets, I think you would run into problems of them being in the exact location on every truck.  From what I can tell the lower supports are identical and would line up on either side, but they are offset to the center line of the spring in opposite directions.  If the holes in the hanger were moved to clear the rivets then problem solved but you would be moving one 1/4" and the other 1/2" toward the center.

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I have sent this to Jim for him to look at also.  

Today I start drilling
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Re: Jungle's (Jim) Shackle Flip Kit Install and Review
« Reply #43 on: July 14, 2009, 06:56:12 AM »
It looks like on the pre 80s you have to change out both rivets & on the post 80s you have to change one rivet. Some of the rivets I've ground the heads off & drove out with a punch & hammer. Some I had
 to drill out or drill a relief hole & drive out with a punch & hammer.

Tim
The hole location on the per 80s is one of the items we need to record & adjust for future hangers. The post 80s emg brake bracket will need to be re drilled & lowered. It looks like the pre 80s because it mounts under the frame will need some kind of spacer to lower it a little to clear the front hanger.

How do you want the measurements to be taken.  I would assume center line for left and right (facing).  What about front to back (facing)?
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Re: Jungle's (Jim) Shackle Flip Kit Install and Review
« Reply #44 on: July 14, 2009, 07:10:55 AM »
Yes & Yes
From the out side of the frame to the C/L of the holes look good but the C/L of the bracket to each hole I need to adjust for the pre 80s trucks.
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« Reply #45 on: July 14, 2009, 05:12:56 PM »
how exactly did you locate the hangers ? did you just allign them so that the factory spring eye bolt hole  is in the factory "location" front to back  ..... basically just move the hanger down so it sits on the frame the right way ?


its hard to write out what i am trying to say  ???

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« Reply #46 on: July 14, 2009, 08:15:19 PM »
I used the centerline of the factory spring bolt and the centerline of the new bolt cause my installation is on Dodge springs so it is in the factory location.
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Re: Jungle's (Jim) Shackle Flip Kit Install and Review
« Reply #47 on: July 14, 2009, 08:36:14 PM »
Chris can you post pics on how you layed out the vert C/L of the spring bolt?
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« Reply #48 on: July 15, 2009, 04:20:04 AM »
thats how i was going to do it also .... but then last night when trying to sleep i was thinking i might be able to do it by just measuring wheel base on both sides center of the hub to center of the hub .... just to make sure everything is square you could possibly even do diagonals, pending other stuff on the frame getting in the way
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Re: Jungle's (Jim) Shackle Flip Kit Install and Review
« Reply #49 on: July 15, 2009, 06:14:29 AM »
thats how i was going to do it also .... but then last night when trying to sleep i was thinking i might be able to do it by just measuring wheel base on both sides center of the hub to center of the hub .... just to make sure everything is square you could possibly even do diagonals, pending other stuff on the frame getting in the way


That would be a great way to inspect the location of the axle. Does the pre 80s frame have the hole for the spring bolt or socket to go through? With the RC on jack stands You could mark a level line on C/L of that hole onto the frame. Then locate the C/L of the spring eye bolt of the new bracket on this line.
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