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Offline 93Powerram

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Braden Lu-2 winch
« on: June 21, 2012, 09:16:18 PM »
Hey, i was wondering the rating on my winch, info that i have searched is limited and conflicting. Its a pto driven braden lu-2 that is on my 66 w200 powerwagon.Its also my first pto driven winch on anything less than a 5 ton truck. Is this winch heavy enough for this truck? It will be getting a d60/14bolt swap, 38 inch tsl's for now with the plan to go to 42's in the near future. The drivetrain will remain stock so no added weight from doublers but it will be getting a cage in cab and an additional fuel tank and some axle trussing. Thats about it for additional weight. Thanks
1979 Power Wagon crew d60/d60 4.10 np435/203 warn 12000lb winch
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Re: Braden Lu-2 winch
« Reply #1 on: June 21, 2012, 10:15:05 PM »
Dodge literature rated the Braden Lu-2 at 8,000lbs
It was offered on W200's through about 74.
Should handle your truck.

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Re: Braden Lu-2 winch
« Reply #2 on: June 21, 2012, 11:14:29 PM »
8000 rated but more like 12,000 capable.
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Re: Braden Lu-2 winch
« Reply #3 on: June 22, 2012, 06:33:07 AM »
Yeah, winches were rated very conservatively in the old days.  My 8k lb Braden electric will out pull most modern winches that are rated much higher.

Here's a decent page with the info on decoding the numbers:

http://www.townwagon.com/pgpws/winch/winchnumbers.htm
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Re: Braden Lu-2 winch
« Reply #4 on: June 22, 2012, 09:47:18 AM »
Figure out what cable you have on it (Have to count the number of groups, and wires in each group), you can safely use that as your rating (assuming the hook is installed properly), up to 12000 lbs. As you know form the duces, the designed weak link is the shear pin. Take it out, and get a machinist to make you several spares. I've had both my Ramseys (same basic design) apart, and everything inside is so much more beefier then my 12 K electric.
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Re: Braden Lu-2 winch
« Reply #5 on: June 22, 2012, 10:22:15 AM »
And whatever you do, don't just replace the shear pin with a bolt and if a previous owner did that, put a shear pin back in.  If you do ever overload the winch, it will bust the housing and make it a nice, heavy boat anchor.  ;D
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Re: Braden Lu-2 winch
« Reply #6 on: June 22, 2012, 11:35:20 AM »
Thanks for the info, sounds like it should be heavy enough for my application. Ill go ahead and rebuild/reseal it and pick up some new cable.

One other thing, would u guys run the chain whip (about 3' of chain on the end of the cable) or just a hook on the end like modern winches?
1979 Power Wagon crew d60/d60 4.10 np435/203 warn 12000lb winch
1966 Powerwagon w200 (Hillbilly Express)wide block, np 435 np 201, braden lu2
1965 Power Wagon w 200 soon to have Cummins (Big Red Express)
1993 Powerram  slowly donating it parts to the others
2004 3500 ctd 4x4 nv5600 all stock
1973 challenger 340 rallye restored
1974 challenger resto project 

 I DONT UPGRADE IT TILL I BREAK IT

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Re: Braden Lu-2 winch
« Reply #7 on: June 22, 2012, 12:16:47 PM »
I have a swivel hook on my wire rope but generally use a length of chain like the military winches do but I can take it off if needed.  It's just a lot more versatile that way.

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Re: Braden Lu-2 winch
« Reply #8 on: June 22, 2012, 12:37:11 PM »
Ok, thanks for the pic, just one more question, about the size and rating on your swivel hook. In my mind it looks a bit small, thats alot of force to be pulling on the little swivel pin. Also what size wire rope are you using?
1979 Power Wagon crew d60/d60 4.10 np435/203 warn 12000lb winch
1966 Powerwagon w200 (Hillbilly Express)wide block, np 435 np 201, braden lu2
1965 Power Wagon w 200 soon to have Cummins (Big Red Express)
1993 Powerram  slowly donating it parts to the others
2004 3500 ctd 4x4 nv5600 all stock
1973 challenger 340 rallye restored
1974 challenger resto project 

 I DONT UPGRADE IT TILL I BREAK IT

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Re: Braden Lu-2 winch
« Reply #9 on: June 22, 2012, 01:00:11 PM »
It's actually pretty large for just a winch hook.  It's a 5/8" hook and it's WLL is 5 tons.  The wire rope is 3/8" with a WLL of about 2.4 tons but the minimum break is just over 12k lbs.  Keep in mind that all the 8k lb commercial winches available today run 5/16" wire rope that has a WLL of only 1,700 lbs.  For a better size reference of the winch and hook, here's a pic of the whole truck:



As you can see, it's a BIG winch for only an 8k lb rating, but it's 50 years old also.  If you need wire rope, I recommend AWdirect.com.
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Re: Braden Lu-2 winch
« Reply #10 on: June 22, 2012, 01:21:21 PM »
For hooks, and chains, and such do not just go by physical size, they come in different grades just like bolts do. There is many places on the web that list the specs.
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Re: Braden Lu-2 winch
« Reply #11 on: June 22, 2012, 01:23:38 PM »
I didnt realize the swivel was 5/8". Also thanks for the ref.  My winch has 7/16 cable on it right now but its probably as old as the truck. Ill probably be replacing it with the same dia.

For grade, I dont go with anything less than transport grade for any hooks or chain i have (g70)
1979 Power Wagon crew d60/d60 4.10 np435/203 warn 12000lb winch
1966 Powerwagon w200 (Hillbilly Express)wide block, np 435 np 201, braden lu2
1965 Power Wagon w 200 soon to have Cummins (Big Red Express)
1993 Powerram  slowly donating it parts to the others
2004 3500 ctd 4x4 nv5600 all stock
1973 challenger 340 rallye restored
1974 challenger resto project 

 I DONT UPGRADE IT TILL I BREAK IT

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Re: Braden Lu-2 winch
« Reply #12 on: June 22, 2012, 08:30:18 PM »
Thanks for the info, sounds like it should be heavy enough for my application. Ill go ahead and rebuild/reseal it and pick up some new cable.

One other thing, would u guys run the chain whip (about 3' of chain on the end of the cable) or just a hook on the end like modern winches?
The ones that came on the W200's had the chain.

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Re: Braden Lu-2 winch
« Reply #13 on: June 22, 2012, 08:46:18 PM »
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I would love to see pics of your PTO setup, especially how the drive shaft snakes past the front axle.
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Re: Braden Lu-2 winch
« Reply #14 on: June 22, 2012, 08:48:28 PM »
If I remember right they run right by the driver side engine mount.
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Re: Braden Lu-2 winch
« Reply #15 on: June 22, 2012, 08:53:30 PM »
If I remember right they run right by the driver side engine mount.
I'm thinking of mounting a set of bearings in the drivers side engine mount, then making a short shaft to mount in it. from there, it would have a short shaft going to the winch, and another going back to the PTO. Lot of it will depend on how things line up once I get the winch mounted.
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Re: Braden Lu-2 winch
« Reply #16 on: June 22, 2012, 09:30:21 PM »
Here's the page out of the '74 parts manual for the PTO shaft:


http://i580.photobucket.com/albums/ss247/Elwenil/Misc%20Mopar/Untitled.jpg
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Re: Braden Lu-2 winch
« Reply #17 on: June 22, 2012, 09:47:56 PM »
Thanks


Thats kinda how I thought it went. I would have to make a plate to block off the CAD.
My PTO mounts on the drivers side of the tranny, not the trannsfercase, so the angles would be too tight.
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