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"industrial" 413
« on: May 4, 2009, 08:36:19 PM »
what all is there that is unique to the industrial 413 block. i just picked mine up today. it came out of a 73 chrysler dump truck supposedly(have no proof). this thing has a massive water pump on it. and the guy i bought it off of was telling me how some aircraft mechanic that was good with chryslers was telling them it might have been punched out to be a 540...? never heard of that. if that was even possible, how is that determined? just looking for some info on this motor. it is complete and was interested on any tips to do to it before i put it in my rc project. thanks

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Re: "industrial" 413
« Reply #1 on: May 4, 2009, 08:40:17 PM »
There is no way that engine was punched out to equal 540ci.  The general rule of thumb is (If i remember correctly) for every .060 Overbore you gain 10 Cubic Inches.

The most i've ever heard of a Chrysler Engine being bored out is .090 to .100 (.090 for some Marine Smallblocks, .100 for some very far and few beefy 340 T/A Engines like i have in my Duster)
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Re: "industrial" 413
« Reply #2 on: May 4, 2009, 08:46:11 PM »
I had a 413 from a motorhome with the same huge water pump as you are describing. Instead of a timing chain, it was direct gear to gear, no idlers or cheater gears. So, the cam turned backwards. That can be remedied though, if wanted. Also had super low compression dished pistons. Did have a good crank and rods though...
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Re: "industrial" 413
« Reply #3 on: May 4, 2009, 08:47:04 PM »
i wouldn't even mess with that motor, but if you already bought it, oh well. IIRC the cylinder heads are also different?

Also the compression is extremely low, something in the 7s, I think.
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« Reply #4 on: May 4, 2009, 08:51:42 PM »
Also the compression is extremely low, something in the 7s, I think.

Which would be good for turbo charging...  Think big ;)
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Re: "industrial" 413
« Reply #5 on: May 4, 2009, 08:55:15 PM »
yeah i pretty much let the number 540 go in one ear and out the other. i will be using this motor for the time being. is their anything that can be done to step this motor up a notch?
Which would be good for turbo charging...  Think big ;)
thats something i was hoping to hear... ;D
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Re: "industrial" 413
« Reply #6 on: May 4, 2009, 09:04:52 PM »
Which would be good for turbo charging...  Think big ;)
Several years ago, I was thinking big. Then I realized low compression or not, factory cast pistons are a no-no.  {dont} So aftermarket pistons would be required. Almost non-existent in the 413 camp.

Overall, that motor would be great for turbo-ing, especially since they did it in the 70s. Then again, with turbo, still only made about high 200s-300hp.

Think you need a body lift to clear the water pump, can't remember?
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Re: "industrial" 413
« Reply #7 on: May 4, 2009, 09:59:48 PM »
I have the 413's baby brother, aka. the 361. It is in a D600 truck dad bought, was an old army truck. Anyway it does really well in that truck, we have hauled some massive loads with it and it does so without a wimper. As for what different, I know the exhaust ports are different, so normal BB headers are out. Industrial ones are around $350, and their aren't to many choices. The cam is also different, not sure if you can swap out the front gears and use the standard BB cam. Didn't look into that. As for the heads they are also different from the standard ones. The coolant passages are different, and the heads are a lot thicker. The intake manifolds are special and are very heavy. I wanted to swap on a 4bbl intake so it could breathe a little better, but I couldn't find a used one. And new they were very expensive. I may need to anyways though, if you really get into it yu can hear it trying to suck the aircleaner into the engine, and by the way it sounds it just might do that :o If you have any more questions ask,
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Re: "industrial" 413
« Reply #8 on: May 4, 2009, 10:04:16 PM »
I agree with cast pistons and high boost, but low boost, less than 6 psi with a slightly rich mix could be doable.  Although for the prices of new pistons (if he breaks them), he could do a 440.
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Re: "industrial" 413
« Reply #9 on: May 4, 2009, 10:09:01 PM »
I agree with cast pistons and high boost, but low boost, less than 6 psi with a slightly rich mix could be doable.  Although for the prices of new pistons (if he breaks them), he could do a 440.
Right, I do agree with low boost part. Then again, it'll still be a 300hp RB engine, just with a lot more $$$ and time than a nearly stock 440 truck engine, or detuned car engine.

None the less, a GREAT engine to learn on, especially in the rebuild/tear down, ect ect department.
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Re: "industrial" 413
« Reply #10 on: May 5, 2009, 12:31:49 AM »
I had a 72 Winnebago with the  I413. The block, crank, rods and pistons are like any others. The heads look like a crossbred small block/ big block head. They have extra water jackets that match the unique intake manifold for water to flow through them. The engine with the heads, exhaust manifolds and water pump system wont fit in your RC.   .
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Re: "industrial" 413
« Reply #11 on: May 5, 2009, 08:24:12 AM »
the guy i bought it off of had it in an 80's dodge pickup. don't know the year since he cut it up. so i'm going to have to say it will fit. all he told me in that department is that a very small notch is needed for clearance on the frame. from what i'm reading, i take it you can pretty much swap the top half of a BB RB engine onto this motor? just looking at options. i want to freshen this motor up a lot before dropping it in. and i go deep with it, i want to do it once and be done.

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Re: "industrial" 413
« Reply #12 on: May 5, 2009, 10:16:05 AM »
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Re: "industrial" 413
« Reply #13 on: May 5, 2009, 10:28:26 AM »
It doesn't look like it sticks up anymore than the carb.  It might fit, but then again I don't have it here in front of me to say for sure.  Interesting engine to say the least.
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Re: "industrial" 413
« Reply #14 on: May 5, 2009, 10:34:18 AM »
Will a normal water pump house mount to the engine?
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Re: "industrial" 413
« Reply #15 on: May 5, 2009, 10:38:41 AM »
thats what i would like to know. i'm interested if i can put on some regular heads and intake maybe. or i may run with it like it is. i'm just trying to gather some knowledge on this motor since there's not a lot of info out there on these motors.
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Re: "industrial" 413
« Reply #16 on: May 5, 2009, 10:50:25 AM »
I would spend as little money on it as possible.  Just clean it and run it.  If you gotta buy regular heads etc you may as well buy a different (ie 440) engine.
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Re: "industrial" 413
« Reply #17 on: May 5, 2009, 10:52:20 AM »
Is that a Temperature Sending Unit for a Mechanical Water Temperature Gauge threaded into the Exhaust Manifold in the 3rd Picture  ???
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Re: "industrial" 413
« Reply #18 on: May 5, 2009, 11:36:47 AM »
yeah i don't want a lot of money into it. just want that seat of the pants torque.

Is that a Temperature Sending Unit for a Mechanical Water Temperature Gauge threaded into the Exhaust Manifold in the 3rd Picture  ???
thats what i was thinking. there's another on the other side as well.

i've used the handy search on this motor here. seems a few select people have used them. any pointers on what you all did would be greatly appreciated. i'm going to use this motor until i get the time to do a full on build of another big block and just swap them out.
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Re: "industrial" 413
« Reply #19 on: May 5, 2009, 12:09:57 PM »
Perhaps the sending units are for an exhaust temp gauge?  The late '70s Champion RV my buddy pickup has the gauge though it doesn't work and it's just a 360.  Seemed sort of odd to me considering it's not a diesel or turbo charged, but it was the '70s.
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« Reply #20 on: May 5, 2009, 12:17:00 PM »
from what i've ever heard, what wasn't odd in the 70's?  ;)
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« Reply #21 on: May 5, 2009, 01:17:28 PM »
Hard to say.  There were a lot of odd things going on in the '70s with the new emissions regulations, lower compression engines and poor quality fuel.  There were water injection setups that were supposed to keep the head and manifolds cooler to deal with the higher combustion temperatures and all sorts of other strange things.  Remember, it was an RV engine.
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Re: "industrial" 413
« Reply #22 on: May 5, 2009, 01:58:02 PM »
It doesn't look like it sticks up anymore than the carb.  It might fit, but then again I don't have it here in front of me to say for sure.  Interesting engine to say the least.
Try to explain fan blade to shroud/hood clearance in a D/W truck.  :P Hence the previous statement about needing a body lift.

Not sure what all the commotion is about the bourdan tube in the exhaust. The manifolds are water cooled if I'm not mistaken? I mean have water passages there anyways. ???

It's not a EGT thermocouple that is for sure.

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Re: "industrial" 413
« Reply #23 on: May 5, 2009, 03:51:18 PM »
Electric fans, lol.  I guess that's what I was thinking since I used them on my big block swap and the missing fan or raised location didn't seem odd to me, lol.
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« Reply #24 on: May 5, 2009, 07:59:08 PM »
Industrial 413s from the early 70s were cast with the 440 water jackets, essentially an underbored 440 with the extra ribbing on the side of the block that they called the "cold weather" block.  These blocks have no casting number, only a casting date.  They can be bored out to standard 426 or 440 bores sizes.  They have a great steel crank and usually LY rods, but they also have an extra thick forged crank balancer, and none of the pulleys and accessory brackets will work with standard passenger car heads and water pump.  Stock pistons are in the 7.? to 1 range.

The main differences are the heads, water pump housing, and exhaust manifolds.  The water pump housing directs coolant straight from the radiator directly into the front of the heads.  The heads have small sodium filled valves that can handle full throttle temperatures for long periods up long grades.  The exhaust manifolds are unique to those heads.  The intake manifold is a standard RB intake and will swap onto regular heads.  Really, these motors were the peak of gas medium truck engine evolution, right when these type of vehicles were switching over to diesel.  The industrial 413 is a bitchin motor for grinding up a long grade at full throttle at 4000 rpm!  You find them in alot of old dump trucks, too.

You could run it as is, or you can yank the heads and water pump and switch to some standard heads.  Its a great core motor, because its got a forged steel crank and you can way overbore it.  I've got one of these blocks sitting in my shop.  Scored it for $75 and used the crank and rods for my 440 build... {beer}
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Re: "industrial" 413
« Reply #25 on: May 5, 2009, 10:30:29 PM »
thanks for the great info cragdweller. much appreciated. +1
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« Reply #26 on: May 6, 2009, 01:14:25 AM »
I read this thread this morning, and today while I was "working", I had a thought that what we really use on 4x4's is torque. How does this motor stack up as far as torque goes? When I am wheeling, I hardly ever get over 3500, except when I get in gooey mud and need to clean out the lugs! If you had the torque on tap, you could do some serious crawling. Hence why, if I ever get rich and famous at trim carpentry  {lol} I would love a CTD in a Ramcharger as some of the members here have done. (Mad Max, I think!)

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« Reply #27 on: May 6, 2009, 11:45:13 PM »
Industrial 413s from the early 70s were cast with the 440 water jackets, essentially an underbored 440 with the extra ribbing on the side of the block that they called the "cold weather" block.  These blocks have no casting number, only a casting date.  They can be bored out to standard 426 or 440 bores sizes.  They have a great steel crank and usually LY rods, but they also have an extra thick forged crank balancer, and none of the pulleys and accessory brackets will work with standard passenger car heads and water pump.  Stock pistons are in the 7.? to 1 range.

The main differences are the heads, water pump housing, and exhaust manifolds.  The water pump housing directs coolant straight from the radiator directly into the front of the heads.  The heads have small sodium filled valves that can handle full throttle temperatures for long periods up long grades.  The exhaust manifolds are unique to those heads.  The intake manifold is a standard RB intake and will swap onto regular heads.  Really, these motors were the peak of gas medium truck engine evolution, right when these type of vehicles were switching over to diesel.  The industrial 413 is a bitchin motor for grinding up a long grade at full throttle at 4000 rpm!  You find them in alot of old dump trucks, too.

You could run it as is, or you can yank the heads and water pump and switch to some standard heads.  Its a great core motor, because its got a forged steel crank and you can way overbore it.  I've got one of these blocks sitting in my shop.  Scored it for $75 and used the crank and rods for my 440 build... {beer}
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Re: "industrial" 413
« Reply #28 on: May 7, 2009, 07:10:23 AM »
The 413 specifications are, HP 283@3600, TQ 407@2000, not too bad as it is one of the most
powerful stock gas engines used in a Dodge truck ;)
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Re: "industrial" 413
« Reply #29 on: May 7, 2009, 09:23:50 AM »
So is the 361 the HD brother to the 383? If so I know what dads D600 needs!
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I wouldn't say that every 361 is a heavier duty engine than a 383 but the industrial version of the 361 was pretty common.  The 361 is the older engine when compared to the 383 much like the 400 was phased in after the 383.  For some reason, Mopar's industrial engine were frequently engines that were 10 or more years old.  At one time they were normal production car engines and after larger engines replaced the old versions, they put them out with revisions as industrial engines.  The 392 Hemi was produced at least until the mid '60s as an industrial/marine engine even though they were no longer available in a car or normal production vehicle.  Same with the 361 and 413 industrial engines.  Most of the industrial engines are heavy duty compared to the normal production engine but some are just a run of the mill engine with nothing that special about it.  The 361 that went in our D600 dump truck was pretty much a normal 361 engine that externally looked identical to a common 383 or 400.  The 361 that was in our old '62 Dodge C600 Cab-Forward wrecker was pretty wild looking with a very odd intake and exhaust manifolds, but that may have just been the norm for that old of an engine as the 361 was still in normal production in '62.  Another truck came in with a blown 361 and I couldn't find a replacement so I think we either rebuilt the 361 or swapped a 383 in place of it.  We had a new industrial 361 long block crate engine in stock but it was a spare for the dealership's trucks,so we couldn't use it and it was old as hell anyway.  All of this may or may not be actual fact, but is what I observed while dealing with various medium duty Dodge trucks while at the dealership.
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Re: "industrial" 413
« Reply #30 on: May 7, 2009, 09:54:37 AM »
The 413 specifications are, HP 283@3600, TQ 407@2000, not too bad as it is one of the most
powerful stock gas engines used in a Dodge truck ;)
Not to be picky, but where did you find this info?

thats some more good information Elwenil
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Re: "industrial" 413
« Reply #31 on: May 7, 2009, 11:08:31 AM »
Not to be picky, but where did you find this info?

thats some more good information Elwenil
I have factory specs on all gas engine Dodge trucks from 1951-1977.
The CR is 7.5 to 1, these things will run on the worst gas you can find
and spark-knock is one thing they won't do unless really over heated.
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Re: "industrial" 413
« Reply #32 on: May 7, 2009, 11:41:40 AM »
Well that works. Thanks. I'm just trying to see where this motor is going. That is some much needed info.
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Re: "industrial" 413
« Reply #33 on: May 7, 2009, 11:52:38 AM »
The only 413 truck I ever had was a 68 W-500, very big old truck, but that 413 would
pull anything I cared to hook behind it. The only bad thing about this engine is some of
the parts are really hard to find to rebuild it.

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Re: "industrial" 413
« Reply #34 on: May 7, 2009, 03:11:15 PM »
So is the 361 the HD brother to the 383? If so I know what dads D600 needs!
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I've seen a couple mid 60s 361 industrial motor in med trucks.  They had the same heads and water pump as the 413 version.  I think the 413 replaced the 361 in med truck sometime in the 60s...
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Re: "industrial" 413
« Reply #35 on: May 7, 2009, 03:22:09 PM »
Both the 413 and 361 were used through 1978, not seen much after '75 as most had either 318s
or 360s.
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Re: "industrial" 413
« Reply #36 on: May 7, 2009, 09:28:02 PM »
(Hijack on) Speaking of I wonder about an industrial 318?? (Hijack off)    {think}
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Re: "industrial" 413
« Reply #37 on: May 7, 2009, 09:40:45 PM »
(Hijack on) Speaking of I wonder about an industrial 318?? (Hijack off)    {think}

you beat me to it.
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Re: "industrial" 413
« Reply #38 on: May 7, 2009, 09:44:36 PM »
There were industrial and marine versions of the 318 and 360 engines.  Basically the same deal with lower compression and better cooling.  We had a '73 or so D600 farm truck with a 318 that came in from time to time.  It pulled good but was gutless with a load over 35 MPH especially on hills.
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Re: "industrial" 413
« Reply #39 on: May 8, 2009, 12:38:39 AM »
Dads truck is a 74, but I know the 361 has the industrial stuff on it. The heads are huge and the WP looks funky. I wish it had more HP, and a little more top end, but once I find a good 4bbl that should help that some. BTW what is the redline of the 361 2bbl?
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Re: "industrial" 413
« Reply #40 on: May 8, 2009, 06:58:23 AM »
Dads truck is a 74, but I know the 361 has the industrial stuff on it. The heads are huge and the WP looks funky. I wish it had more HP, and a little more top end, but once I find a good 4bbl that should help that some. BTW what is the redline of the 361 2bbl?
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5500 if it can get enough fuel to reach it. IIRC the 4bbl intake from a 383 or 400 will fit the HD 361 heads. All the 361s are listed as 2bbl after 1970, power runs from 155@3600 for the base engine to
204@3600 for the 361-4, torque for the base is 295@2000 and 335@2400 on the 361-4.
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Re: "industrial" 413
« Reply #41 on: May 8, 2009, 09:38:30 PM »
I will have to look into the intake, how much carb will I need to make it spin that fast? 750cfm?
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Re: "industrial" 413
« Reply #42 on: May 9, 2009, 07:31:57 AM »
I would start with a 600-650 cfm carb, 750 I think would be more than a 361 really needs.
The 2bbl is only 390cfm or so and like the 413 CR is only 7.5 to 1.

I am working on the real big boy of Dodge heavy trucks, a 549 gas burner. There are two
really big HD gas engines used in '70-'72, the 478 and 549. Can you say torque monster?
505@1800! They were not made by Dodge, IH or Cat I think.
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Re: "industrial" 413
« Reply #43 on: May 9, 2009, 09:12:27 AM »


I am working on the real big boy of Dodge heavy trucks, a 549 gas burner. There are two
really big HD gas engines used in '70-'72, the 478 and 549. Can you say torque monster?
505@1800! They were not made by Dodge, IH or Cat I think.

that would be a nice find. what size carb would you recommend for the 413? i don't want to run out of breath with this thing when i decide to actually drive it faster than 35. thnaks
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Re: "industrial" 413
« Reply #44 on: May 9, 2009, 11:24:59 AM »
that would be a nice find. what size carb would you recommend for the 413? i don't want to run out of breath with this thing when i decide to actually drive it faster than 35. thnaks
I would start with the one that is on your engine right now, it may be just what it needs. The 413 in my old
W-500 had a 770 cfm Holley, it would turn to around 5700 and then fall flat, the cam needs more lift to turn
higher, .360 lift is great for low-end torque, not so good if you want it to have power in its upper RPM range.

BTW, is your RC auto or stick? What gear ratio are you running? I ask as the 413 in stock form is done making
power at 3500, it will turn more but after 4500 they start dropping off. A high stall is a very big no-no with a
413, no need for one either as they start making torque right off idle.
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Re: "industrial" 413
« Reply #45 on: May 9, 2009, 11:47:29 AM »
Also keep firmly in mind that we are talking about an industrial engine that is made for long, heavy pulls and durability not maximum horsepower or RPM.  If you are looking for a big block with lots of power, you better look elsewhere or prepare for a complete rebuild to get more compression and basically change the engine's original intent.  As it is, a 413 industrial engine will probably pull a heavy load at 3,800 RPM all day long but won't get anywhere real fast while a mild 383 will probably pass you by but fail to pull as well or be as durable.  You aren't going to get thoroughbred performance from an old pack mule.
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Re: "industrial" 413
« Reply #46 on: May 9, 2009, 12:18:21 PM »
soaking all that in, i can say i'm not going for a race motor here. and i'm know i'm not going to get close either. the carb currently on the motor is junk. and is not usable. i am going to be running 4.56 gears and a auto tranny. this trucks intent will be to make the drive to and from some closer trails.
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Re: "industrial" 413
« Reply #47 on: May 9, 2009, 12:27:02 PM »
With 4.56s you should be able to run as tall a tire as you like with ease. As your carb is junk start
with a 750 and go from there. As you are planning to rebuild it I would have it bored to 4.25", that
way you can use stock 426 wedge pistons which will put the compression right at 9 to 1 with the
413 industrial heads. That would give you about 330 horsepower and 460 lbs of torque, about what
the first 413 car engines had when they came out in '59.
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Re: "industrial" 413
« Reply #48 on: May 9, 2009, 12:41:54 PM »
got any good places to get these pistons from? all i can find is people using custom built ones. then they fail to add the company that made them. basically i don't want sell an appendage to get some pistons. or this my only choice with that set up?
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Re: "industrial" 413
« Reply #49 on: May 9, 2009, 01:02:11 PM »
Sealed power lists pistons for both 413 and 426 wedge engines, don't bother looking for the 413 truck
pistons, they are NA. You will need to have your block tested before boring it as .125 over can be done with most 413 HD blocks but you don't want to hit water and have to sleeve the block. I have seen 413s bored to 440 specs, I for one would not want to risk it. The eazy way to find pistons for a 413 is to look for '59-65 car
pistons, 426 wedges were used '63-'65, don't use the Max-Wedge ones as the CR will be way more than you
would want to have for off-road use.
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