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Lucas looks to be ready to start wrenching on Trevor's Military project! Grin
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« Reply #1851 on: June 13, 2008, 05:13:18 PM »

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I sure hope you record some video at start up & post it on here. I think I could speak for everyone following your build when I say we would REALLY love to see that! Start up, and a drive off scene. Gotta, gotta, gotta!!!  Grin

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« Reply #1852 on: June 14, 2008, 12:20:00 PM »

Sam when you started this thread did you ever think over 105,000 people would check it out?
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« Reply #1853 on: June 14, 2008, 08:38:11 PM »

Wow..looks real good...what kinda front drive line ya gonna build?? Carrier bearing setup Grin??
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« Reply #1854 on: June 14, 2008, 09:50:07 PM »

Sam when you started this thread did you ever think over 105,000 people would check it out?

....no....I honestly would never have imagined.  I knew I would be trying a lot of 'interesting' stuff on this one, and guess it sparked a lot of ideas!  It's all good tho'  Smiley  Best part is the great discussions and thoughts that everyone has come up with - one of my favorite parts of the hobby Agree


I sure hope you record some video at start up & post it on here. I think I could speak for everyone following your build when I say we would REALLY love to see that! Start up, and a drive off scene. Gotta, gotta, gotta!!!  Grin

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We're sure gonna try! Cheesy We're going to use the movie function on the digital camera and hopefully that'll transfer over to the computer as easily as regular photos.

Wow..looks real good...what kinda front drive line ya gonna build?? Carrier bearing setup Grin??
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Ya know it's funny you mention that.  I did think about a 2-piece front shaft so it would be as 'out of the way' as possible, but one of the biggest problems is that there is little to no place to put the carrier.  I think it'd work well too.  But, I think the regular front shaft, extended 5 inches' will be 'it'.

One of the other upgrades is tires - I'll be selling the 35's and going with something a little bit bigger  Wink.    I'll have the new rubber in time for Moab.

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« Reply #1855 on: June 14, 2008, 09:58:14 PM »

Humm..that's crazy, if 5" will do it..it just looks so much longer than "factory". That's cool though..shouldn't be to bad..
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« Reply #1856 on: June 15, 2008, 09:05:49 AM »

I should clarify - the front shaft that I was running before will need to be extended 5 inches.  It was already longer than stock by about 5 inches because of the divorced set-up - so in total the whole driveline is somewhere around 10 inches longer than stock.
I was just surprised that my local Driveline Service guys didn't think the rear angle was too bad.  Using the CV joint sure helps.
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« Reply #1857 on: June 15, 2008, 09:32:00 AM »

Sam...Any new pics?

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« Reply #1858 on: June 15, 2008, 10:00:24 AM »

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I was just surprised that my local Driveline Service guys didn't think the rear angle was too bad.  Using the CV joint sure helps.
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As long as the angles at each u-joint are the same, but opposite, there shouldn't be any vibration issue.  And, yep the CV helps in the extreme angles.
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« Reply #1860 on: June 17, 2008, 10:08:46 AM »

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and, transforming back into a Ramcharger...



Got the body on the new chassis...and first thing I notice is the front leafs need help.  Rears are perfect.  Got the body on just long enough to jack up the chassis and pull the front leafs, then made a trip down to RMS&S, and Mark is going to add 2 more leafs per side and give it 3+ more inches of lift.  With all the weight on the chassis the 4" lift in the front leafs was compressed to a 1" lift, and that don't cut it.  I knew they'd compress some, but not that much.  So, Mark's going to pull the fronts apart, do some metalurgy, add some 'capacity' and give me a bumch more lift. 

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Now ya just gotta run that stack out where the snorkel was and you're set! Grin
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Now ya just gotta run that stack out where the snorkel was and you're set! Grin

Nope! He needs to change the "XD-440" to "Cummins".  Grin
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« Reply #1867 on: June 17, 2008, 09:18:52 PM »

It'll actually read:  XD-CTD  Cool, and the scoop will read Cummins

Thanks fellas - maybe after 'Stage II' I won't want to take it all apart again...  Tongue  Smiley

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Man, we HAVE to have a nationwide Ramjam someday to gather all these great rigs in one location for all to pet & see in person.  Yes
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Man, we HAVE to have a nationwide Ramjam someday

Happens every year.  Wink
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« Reply #1870 on: June 18, 2008, 11:47:28 AM »

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did you add a body lift to the rc at one point?
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Happens every year.  Wink

Well, you are correct, but I think we could promote it and advertise it a little better. The planets & stars have to align as well so a large number of people have working trucks and the ability to take off at the same time to be there. I know its not easy to put together, but other sites do, so we should be able to as well.  Smiley
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« Reply #1872 on: June 20, 2008, 11:12:43 PM »

One thing that's cool about being in the midwest Rocky mountain Region is that we're all within reasonable driving time to Moab, and every year, irregardless of where the 'official' RamJam is located, the local folks make the annual trip to Moab - typically the last full weekend in September.  So it is a guarantee that there will be a 'RamJam' in Moab in September.  And, I'll also say that because we have the Moab gig to look forward to, it is less likely that the Rocky Mountain RCC folks will pass up on Moab for any other location - just too tuff to do more than one major trip like this. 

The logistics for a RamJam trip are huge.  Usually involves a very long drive, and most of us are gonna beat the tar out of our RC's, and the potential for breakage is always present, so towing the RC's to wherever is preferred.  That means a VERY good tow vehicle and trailer.  Then there's time off, $$$, etc.  Tuff to get a nation-wide gig in a central location - just not achievable.  So, we all frag out to our local gigs.

I'd LOVE to see a major RamJam event, sometime planned in the next couple years, somewhere central, and to see 150 RCs there and every hotel and restaurant booked and everyone we've ever talked with there having a beer and having a blast.  It is totally doable, and the ONLY thing that can be done is to simply plan a date far enough in advance - normally at least a year - and hope a majority of those that want to go actually can go when the time comes.  There is no way to guarantee any participation, but, that in no way should inhibit planning the event.  That's the best ya can hope for  Wink

In the RamJam thread, a poll was taken to see where the RJ's could be. A very good list of possible locations were input, and the RJ-08 location and date were planned.  Not everyone could go, but at least it got planned.  Most of us Rocky Mountain brothas will hit Moab every year, no matter what, but I'd love to do some power tours to the other locations.

Not sure what I really just said, but, I'd love to do big RJ gig.  Maybe we can promote an RJ gig in 2010.  Hmmmm, stay tuned!

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Yeah actually the previous owner did a 3" body lift and I kept it installed.  Works great for accessing bolts and stuff under the body - good clearance Agree.

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I'd LOVE to see a major RamJam event, sometime planned in the next couple years, somewhere central, and to see 150 RCs there and every hotel and restaurant booked and everyone we've ever talked with there having a beer and having a blast.  It is totally doable, and the ONLY thing that can be done is to simply plan a date far enough in advance - normally at least a year - and hope a majority of those that want to go actually can go when the time comes.  There is no way to guarantee any participation, but, that in no way should inhibit planning the event.  That's the best ya can hope for  Wink

In the RamJam thread, a poll was taken to see where the RJ's could be. A very good list of possible locations were input, and the RJ-08 location and date were planned.  Not everyone could go, but at least it got planned.  Most of us Rocky Mountain brothas will hit Moab every year, no matter what, but I'd love to do some power tours to the other locations.

Not sure what I really just said, but, I'd love to do big RJ gig.  Maybe we can promote an RJ gig in 2010.  Hmmmm, stay tuned!

Yeah actually the previous owner did a 3" body lift and I kept it installed.  Works great for accessing bolts and stuff under the body - good clearance Agree.

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Maybe Simpson & Drew will be ready truck & kid-wise by then. They are driving forces behind attendance I think as well. This last part that you wrote made me get a tear...  Cry     It would be the funnest vacation ever!  Yes
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« Reply #1874 on: June 23, 2008, 11:16:35 AM »

Man, we HAVE to have a nationwide Ramjam someday to gather all these great rigs in one location for all to pet & see in person.  Yes

I'd like to see one to get all the frame-off trucks (like my Lil Red Clone) all in one spot.  They all seem to be pretty legendary.

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« Reply #1875 on: June 25, 2008, 08:53:16 AM »

Leaf spring corrections made and weight on wheels - I'm digin' it Agree



The fronts had two more leafs added to handle the weight and had 3+ inches added to add more lift.  That plus the two additional leafs gave just about 4" more lift - perfect.



...and the final front leaf shackle angle



The rear shackle angle...



...and with the front lift good to go it was just a tad higher than the rear, so in went a set of BDS 2" blocks



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« Reply #1877 on: June 25, 2008, 11:13:45 AM »

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« Reply #1878 on: June 26, 2008, 10:08:53 AM »

Looks really professional. 


why, thank you James  Grin Wink.  Since everything's black that makes it easy to match  Wink  I really like ORD's hardware too.

How's the front caster angle?

Honestly I'm not sure, but I WAG'd it as close to factory specs as I could.  Once rolling I'll know for sure  Tongue

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« Reply #1883 on: June 27, 2008, 07:26:25 AM »

Well it's interesting - the more I think about it I'm finding there isn't as much to worry about as I thought.  First off, talking with Andy, Trent, Dave, and others, we're finding a way to get around the PCM (computer), and that's the main goal.
As best I can tell so long as we get 12v (keyed/ignition) power to the fuel shut off solenoid, wire up the starter, and get the alternator to charge the batteries...that's pretty much it. 
There's other small stuff that I don't need, and others that I'll try to work out later on.  I'm not even messing with new gauges yet - just want to get it running and rolling, get some miles on the clock, test out the suspension and driveline, and get ready for Moab.

Dave, you mentioned you bypassed the computer for A/C, OD and charging, and that cruise control and speedo still run through the computer.  Eventually I want to have A/C, but can you review how you did the O/D and the alternator?  I'd like to have the O/D function and engage 'normally' at ~34 mph, but I do want to be able to disengage it manually - same functionality as the factory '93 harness. I can certainly retain the computer and harness for cruise - definitely want cruise, and if that is the only thing the computer controls then that's fine with me. 

Electrical items list and possibilities:

Message Display Center:  [EDIT] not Planning to use.  Lights on it are:  [Wait-to-start] [brake] [water-in-fuel] [low fuel].  I think ...using a 'low fuel relay terminal'...which I think is a stand-alone device...I can splice a circuit inline with the fuel level gauge to give me an operational [low-fuel] light.

Grid heaters:  Like Trenton, I can bypass the computer and manually using a HD momentary switch as necessary.  EDIT - If I can get them operational I would however like to have them operate automatically.

Overdrive:  Bypass computer - naww, I'll use the computer.

Alternator:  Bypass computer by using 'standard' 2-wire external regulator.  On the regulator, 1 wire goes to 12v key'd power, the other to the small {Dk Gn} alternator wire.  Regulator's done.  On the alternator, {Dk Gn} wire to the regulator, the other {Dk Bl} goes to 12v key'd power.  Done - no PCM controls, and it removes the PCM as a potential limiting factor.

Cruise control:  Not sure - Pretty sure I need the computer for it to function.

A/C:  Not used...yet

KSB:  Key'd 12 power???

Fuel shutoff, and fuel filter heater:  12v key'd power.

Gauges:  All stand-alone feeds

I'll edit this list as we get solutions figured out.

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« Reply #1884 on: June 28, 2008, 03:16:06 PM »

Well it's interesting - the more I think about it I'm finding there isn't as much to worry about as I thought.  First off, talking with Andy, Trent, Dave, and others, we're finding a way to get around the PCM (computer), and that's the main goal.
As best I can tell so long as we get 12v (keyed/ignition) power to the fuel shut off solenoid, wire up the starter, and get the alternator to charge the batteries...that's pretty much it. 
There's other small stuff that I don't need, and others that I'll try to work out later on.  I'm not even messing with new gauges yet - just want to get it running and rolling, get some miles on the clock, test out the suspension and driveline, and get ready for Moab.

Dave, you mentioned you bypassed the computer for A/C, OD and charging, and that cruise control and speedo still run through the computer.  Eventually I want to have A/C, but can you review how you did the O/D and the alternator?  I'd like to have the O/D function and engage 'normally' at ~34 mph, but I do want to be able to disengage it manually - same functionality as the factory '93 harness. I can certainly retain the computer and harness for cruise - definitely want cruise, and if that is the only thing the computer controls then that's fine with me. 

Electrical items list and possibilities:

Message Display Center:  Not planning to use.  Lights on it are:  [Wait-to-start] [brake] [water-in-fuel] [low-fuel].  I'll monitor 'wait-to-start' as necessary, not worried about 'water-in-fuel' as I never see it and I drain/change out the filter frequently enough, don't need 'brake' light, and don't really need a 'low-fuel' light.

Grid heaters:  Like Trenton, I like bypassing the computer and manually using a momentary switch as necessary.

Overdrive:

Alternator:

Cruise control:

A/C:

KSB:

Fuel shutoff:

Gauges:

I'll edit this list as we get solutions figured out.

- Sam

The Alternator on your CTD is that one of those Nippondenso Alternators? If it is you can control it using a Voltage Regulator for a older style Alternator like i did on my '84. I've got the wiring diagram laying around somewhere if you need it.

Grid Heater?  Is that another name for the Glow Plugs?  If it is on my '87 i'm going to use a Push Button (Momentary On) Switch and hold it in to heat the plugs.

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« Reply #1885 on: June 28, 2008, 05:25:20 PM »

Nope Chris, a grid heater is a heater element (mostly bare wire, like a light bulb filament) that goes in the intake manifold (typically on top of the manifold and under the crossover tube), where as glow plugs are a porcelain element in each cylinder pre-chamber. I'm assuming you are referring to the glow plugs on your mitsu diesel, right? Wink but yeah, a momentary switch will work on both.

although Max, my dad has contemplated taking the grid heater out completely. its usually warm enough around here that he doesn't need it. Maybe not suited to your location. he could get it running on the third cylinder over in 25*F weather, before the grid heater came on.

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« Reply #1886 on: June 30, 2008, 09:05:31 AM »

Looking great Max! Agree  This wont solve any electrical problems but you should look into a custom switch panel from 12VoltGuy.  He does some crazy work and im sure one of his switch panels would fit great in that truck of yours!  Here are some examples of his work from Pirate4x4: Switch Panels.  You can get whatever you want engraved on em plus he can do all kinds of LED's and they come all pre-wired Cool  Just a thought!

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This is his link right to his site. It is worth checking out!!

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i was parusing 4btswaps.com a while ago and saw a thread on the grid heater. they said that the only purpose of it was for emissions on start up
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« Reply #1889 on: July 1, 2008, 01:41:42 PM »

The grid heaters definitely help in cold weather starts, they can be the difference between getting it started and walking, I'm talking around 0*F and colder. They also help old engines as they lose compression.
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i was parusing 4btswaps.com a while ago and saw a thread on the grid heater. they said that the only purpose of it was for emissions on start up

Never tried starting a diesel in cold weather before, have ya?
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The grid heaters definitely help in cold weather starts, they can be the difference between getting it started and walking, I'm talking around 0*F and colder. They also help old engines as they lose compression.

An engine block heater helps too.
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Yes a block heater helps, but it's not always an option depending on where it's parked.  I've started my '98 CTD at -10oF without the block heater.  Without the grid heaters, I don't think it would have started.
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« Reply #1893 on: July 2, 2008, 06:50:04 AM »

Fortunately, I've never had an issue starting my diesel because of cold start. Defective batteries left me stranded one night! Tongue I was visiting SLC in December a few years back, and was idling in the parking lot while my Mom ran into the store. I got zero throttle response when we tried to leave. As near as I could tell, the fuel must have turned a bit slushy in the fuel lines or something... I thought it may have been too much vacuum created in the tank maybe...

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« Reply #1894 on: July 2, 2008, 08:30:51 AM »

Yes a block heater helps, but it's not always an option depending on where it's parked.  I've started my '98 CTD at -10oF without the block heater.  Without the grid heaters, I don't think it would have started.

Agreed.  Last january, I started my truck in -10 without a block heater.
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Mad Max, I haven't been following your resent redo of your rig until now.  I have gone back through your posts and of course you are again doing a great job and it is looking great.  I did see one thing that I was wondering about though.  On those front spring mounts why didn't you build them as one unit? Meaning making them together.  That way it would give support to both sides, support the frame more (not allowing the frame to twist or at least limit it).  With all that new added weight from the diesel just a thought!! 

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« Reply #1896 on: July 2, 2008, 09:23:25 AM »

On those front spring mounts why didn't you build them as one unit?

So are you sure it is going to be ready for Moab by September?  Hope so!! puttputt56

Not sure I follow Ken - the forward mount on the front springs was made from 4" square tube, 1/4" wall.  I removed the bottom wall to allow the spring to insert, then I added the 1/4" angle iron to the insides for the additional lateral support. 
I think you may be talking about a similar gig to what 'Spoon did, using a continuous steel shannel connecting both sides together?  If so I did think about that but I don't think it is necessary, at least not a fully welded assembly.  I have thought about a removable brace to connect the two together while also attaching to the main crossmember.  I really don't think it'll have any issues as-is, but I'll put some additional thought to it  Wink

As far as Moab, we're definitely 'there'.  I'm pretty sure that even if the truck grenades itself between now and then we'll still go and bring the quad and dirt bike.  So far the repower is going great.  My folks are visiting for a couple weeks and the wife and I and them are all having a great time visiting, so not much progress on the rig lately.  I think I have the wiring figured out - just have to actually start splicing and dicing.  So far so good  Wink

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« Reply #1897 on: July 2, 2008, 11:01:14 PM »

Yes that is what I was referring to connecting both spring hangers together (box tubing or angle iron). One of the weak links in the front suspension is where the steering box and frame are attached. If the spring mounting points are tied to both sides it usually does away with that problem. With the added weight of the diesel at that corner of the suspension puts a lot of torque in that area. Since you plan on really putting your rig to the real hard test I would think more about adding something to help equal out the load at that point. Even the added support that you referred too would be a great help.  I am not saying what you have so far will not hold up but the way you always over build something it just seems it is a little lacking in that area. puttputt56
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I think you want to keep your grid heater intact.
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« Reply #1899 on: July 6, 2008, 07:51:01 PM »

...the list of consecutive miracles for Moab 08 (and beyond) continues to get shorter.

Yet remaining are:

Drive shafts, engine and chassis electrical, core support re-fab, radiator and intercooler install/re-fab, steering re-fab, fuel line re-fab, belly/doubler mount/skid shield, exhaust, dash/gauges re-fab, flood lights, re-paint nomenclature, doubler shift linkage, wheels, tires....I'm sure there is more but that's what I can think of now.

So far most everything is 'figured out', just have to finish it all up.  We'll be there.  Definitely want to get a couple weekend trips under the belt before, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if Moab is again the truck's shake-down run.  We were lucky last year that we didn't have more problems, but at least this year things are a bit simpler with the truck.  There is less voodoo going on now than there was before, and that I like. 

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