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Iver Johnson shotgun
« on: December 18, 2010, 09:23:36 PM »
So, I found an old Iver Johnson 20 gauge single shot shotgun at my in-laws place while helping move an air compressor.
Anyway, my father-in-law says he has no idea where it came from.  It's missing the forearm stock and apparently has been as long as my in-laws can remember.
Any idea where to get a replacement stock for this?  Not really interested in shooting it (barrel needs some serious cleaning), but would like for it to be complete for display purposes.
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    Re: Iver Johnson shotgun
    « Reply #1 on: December 19, 2010, 12:23:42 PM »
    It would help more if we had a model number.

    These guys Numrich Gun Parts are usually pretty good for older parts.

    With a model number I can do a more complete search.

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    Re: Iver Johnson shotgun
    « Reply #2 on: December 19, 2010, 04:30:29 PM »
    Can't really read much of the writing on it.  However, I can barely make out 'Champion' on the side.
    What I think is the serial number (behind the trigger guard) is 89959 A.
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    Re: Iver Johnson shotgun
    « Reply #4 on: December 19, 2010, 06:05:20 PM »
    Thanks, Doc. Cjohhny, that is the same one I was going to link. The "Champion" is what I was looking for. If you end up needing a schematic for the whole gun let me know. I probably have one I can snap a pic of and send you.

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    Re: Iver Johnson shotgun
    « Reply #5 on: December 19, 2010, 06:38:08 PM »
    A schematic would be great.  Knowing me, I won't be able to leave well enough alone and will probably want to tear it down and clean it up as much as possible.  Maybe even re-blue it.
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    Re: Iver Johnson shotgun
    « Reply #6 on: December 23, 2010, 10:22:37 AM »
    A schematic would be great.  Knowing me, I won't be able to leave well enough alone and will probably want to tear it down and clean it up as much as possible.  Maybe even re-blue it.

    How old is this shotgun? Cleaning it up and/or reblueing it could be the worst thing you can do to it. Older weapons are actually worth more if you don't do anything to them.

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    Re: Iver Johnson shotgun
    « Reply #7 on: December 24, 2010, 01:30:11 AM »
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    Re: Iver Johnson shotgun
    « Reply #8 on: December 25, 2010, 12:16:16 AM »
    How old is this shotgun? Cleaning it up and/or reblueing it could be the worst thing you can do to it. Older weapons are actually worth more if you don't do anything to them.

    Chris

    Have no idea as to how old it is.  Like I mentioned before, my father-in-law has no idea where it came from or how he ended up with it.  He's not much of a shotgun man (only has one other one that I'm aware of, but plenty of rifles and handguns).  Best guess would be 50-60 years old.
    Definitely not in shooting condition, although all the mechanisms seem to be in order (hammer, trigger, firing pin, ejector).  There's just some rust around the end of the barrel and on the ejector tab itself.

    Probably make a nice display piece either with a replacement forearm or 'as is'.  I just like to make things functional, even if I don't intend to actually use them.
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    Re: Iver Johnson shotgun
    « Reply #9 on: December 25, 2010, 12:49:48 PM »
    Have no idea as to how old it is.  Like I mentioned before, my father-in-law has no idea where it came from or how he ended up with it.  He's not much of a shotgun man (only has one other one that I'm aware of, but plenty of rifles and handguns).  Best guess would be 50-60 years old.
    Definitely not in shooting condition, although all the mechanisms seem to be in order (hammer, trigger, firing pin, ejector).  There's just some rust around the end of the barrel and on the ejector tab itself.

    Probably make a nice display piece either with a replacement forearm or 'as is'.  I just like to make things functional, even if I don't intend to actually use them.
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    Re: Iver Johnson shotgun
    « Reply #10 on: December 26, 2010, 01:18:54 PM »
    A schematic would be great.  Knowing me, I won't be able to leave well enough alone and will probably want to tear it down and clean it up as much as possible.  Maybe even re-blue it.

    Sorry I haven't sent pic yet. Shoot me an email and I can snap one and send full size photo to you of the schematic.

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    Re: Iver Johnson shotgun
    « Reply #11 on: December 26, 2010, 10:16:21 PM »
    Thanks.  You can send it to me at

    jr_comfort@yahoo.com

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    Re: Iver Johnson shotgun
    « Reply #12 on: December 28, 2010, 02:43:50 PM »
    First, my apologies. My schematic book does not have Iver Johnson in it for some reason. This is a first. I have always been able to look in that book and get schematics for anything. It is the gun digest book of Exploded long gun Drawings.

    If anybody knows of another brand name or similar model of single shot shotgun that this may be listed under please let me know and I will see if it is in my book.

    In the meantime, I did find this schematic for you:

    http://www.wisnersinc.com/exploded_views/IJ_Champion.htm


    I also found this:

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    I can tell you that the Iver Johnson manufactured the Champion from 1909 to 1956. The Champion was an inexpensive firearm manufactured in both rifle and shotgun calibers, 10, 12 16, 20, 24, 28, 32 and .410 gauges and .44, .45, 12MM, and 14MM rifle calibers. Champions had a 26 - 32 inch barrel, exposed hammer auto ejector and plain pistol grip stock.


    I think it would be cool to find one of the rifled barrels for it.

    It looks like the value is anywhere from $150 to $300 in good shape.

    Here is a pic of one in decent shape


    Here is another place that you may be able to get the stock and fore end for it
    Boyds gun stocks

    Boyd's is a good place to buy from. They offer a ton of different stocks in inventory, and are also willing to make some stocks they don't have on a regular basis. Even if they do not have one ready to go, there is a good chance they can make you one for a decent price.

    Richards rifle stocks is another place that may be able to make you a new stock and fore end for the shotgun. Awesome prices and good quality stocks.

    Hopefully some of this will help you out a bit.

    Eric

    PS: If you decide you ever want to get rid of it I'd be happy to take it off your hands. {cool}

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    Re: Iver Johnson shotgun
    « Reply #13 on: December 30, 2010, 08:07:42 PM »
    Erik, try looking for the schematic under American Military Arms Corporation. They bought Iver Johnson in 1987.

    A Champion in 100% condition is only worth about $175 or so. If you want to clean it up and make it look better, go for it. You won't hurt the value and it might enhance it. They were made from 1909-1956 with a 12 guage made in the 79's that had a Birch stock. That one is worth 25% less than the earlier ones.

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    Re: Iver Johnson shotgun
    « Reply #14 on: January 8, 2011, 02:15:32 PM »
    Here's a couple pics.
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    Re: Iver Johnson shotgun
    « Reply #15 on: January 8, 2011, 02:16:40 PM »
    And a couple more.
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    Re: Iver Johnson shotgun
    « Reply #16 on: January 8, 2011, 03:03:01 PM »
    First off beautiful fireplace.

    That isn't that bad of shape. If it was me, I might have it reblued if it has sentimental value to you. Looks better then I expected.


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    Re: Iver Johnson shotgun
    « Reply #17 on: January 8, 2011, 03:14:11 PM »
    Taking down Zombies with that thing might require some practice.. One shot at a time  :P
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    Re: Iver Johnson shotgun
    « Reply #18 on: January 8, 2011, 03:37:31 PM »
    The rust around the ejector doesn't show up that well in the pictures.  Still have to run a brush through the barrel as you can't currently see through it.  And the front site is missing - although hardly that important at this point.  The hard part is going to be finding the metal hardware to go with a replacement forearm.
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    Re: Iver Johnson shotgun
    « Reply #19 on: January 8, 2011, 03:38:27 PM »
    Taking down Zombies with that thing might require some practice.. One shot at a time  :P

    I've got a couple of 12ga mossberg pump shotguns that would work better.  ;)
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    Re: Iver Johnson shotgun
    « Reply #20 on: January 8, 2011, 05:12:50 PM »
    That doesn't look that bad. I would have a gunsmith look at it and make sure it is safe to shoot first. If it is, clean it up, find a forestock and the hardware you need (the same gunsmith might help there) and reblue/refinish it. You can still do all that if you wish if it isn't safe to shoot but, personally, if it isn't shootable I would rather not have it around. Just the way I am. Of course, if it has great sentimental value I might keep it around.

    As far as killing zombies go, I'll have to use one of my pistols. I don't own a shotgun. I guess either the .357 Sig/.40, the .44 mag or the .45 colt will get it done too :)

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    Re: Iver Johnson shotgun
    « Reply #21 on: January 9, 2011, 12:24:47 AM »
    I agree with Chris, however I might go as far as to tack weld the breech shut if you have kids on the bottom. Best bet if your serious or even board is to find a shotgun forum. People will either help out or point you in the right direction or just give you the parts. Which has happened before.

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    « Reply #22 on: January 14, 2011, 01:07:20 PM »
    Taking down Zombies with that thing might require some practice.. One shot at a time  :P
    Yes, it does seem to be missing a barrel. Just means you have to be a better shot.

    I think a rifled barrel and a scope on that would make something more of it.
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    Re: Iver Johnson shotgun
    « Reply #23 on: February 25, 2011, 03:55:37 PM »
    I have this very same shotgun. My grandad gave it to me for squirrel hunting. He bought his in 1947, when he graduated high school. I love this shotgun. Its great and fun to shoot. Mines a 28 gauge though.
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    Re: Iver Johnson shotgun
    « Reply #24 on: April 4, 2017, 08:55:42 PM »
    hey i restore old guns if you need help with that shot gun i will help.....let me know what u need as i have many resources for champion models as i have one my self and keep up with parts so if i need any i can order one...

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    So, I found an old Iver Johnson 20 gauge single shot shotgun at my in-laws place while helping move an air compressor.
    Anyway, my father-in-law says he has no idea where it came from.  It's missing the forearm stock and apparently has been as long as my in-laws can remember.
    Any idea where to get a replacement stock for this?  Not really interested in shooting it (barrel needs some serious cleaning), but would like for it to be complete for display purposes.

     

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