There is a guy on the other forums im on that does turbo-mopar computers and does the shelby dakota computers thats great.He takes the computers and then chips them and has the maps to them and  changes them around. 

He has done wonders with the  turbo computer for the club and also the dakotas. I got into talking to him about a computer for my ramcharger since i want to add a mild cam but keep the tbisetup and he said its something he can do (hasent yet on our type computer) but want to see if there is ANY real intrest from other members to do this or if this is going  to me a one customer project and if so  might be a lot of work to  get the maps and all for one person.   

I thought this might be a great alt to a mega system

I read about and mentioned a few of these guys "socketing" the old black boxes of death, but usually blow it off since no one has taken the time to decompile the TBI logic. Now that he is offering to step up, that is no longer a concern.

I am personally not interested, since I understand the costs and time involved, but I do believe a few have been looking for this.

The mpfi obd1 crowd may also take a slight interest in this, but maybe not since mopar atleast offers them a hotter box off the shelf.

Does he have a ramcharger or heavy truck to test on? Timing curve is a key factor here, and my main complaint against howell/afi/stock that involve "chips". I don't want to have to keep removing chips and having them sent off until the process gets right (or end up with a generic tune that is safe for all, optimal for none). With cars it is pretty simple since weight/tire size/gear ratio is more consistent.

That is definitely true, and practically a requirement for noticing performance gains. Why?
We have heavy trucks. Heavier the vehicle, the more ping-prone.
We are under geared. Taller the gear, more ping prone.
We have taller tires. Taller the tire, the more ping prone.
We some times tow, increasing weight even more.

Where does power/mpg/driveability come from? Mostly timing. Timing can have an amazing effect on all of the above, but of course is more ping prone. The MP box has increased timing, and requires premium/no towing for this reason. Dodge's [stock] strategy usually involves richer mixtures, so fuel itself is not usually of prime concern, not to mention precise fuel control usually offers minimal gains in my own dyno experience. There was a rather large window in AFR to play around in w/o much gain or loss in power. Of course, there is mention of ping again, as the mixture starts getting in the leaner side of safe.

Cool! Ya you too have noticed dodges run a wee bit rich.

That is a pretty fair price. I had only assumed the labor to explore uncharted territory (tbi blackbox) would be tremendous.

That is very cool that he has a loaner pcm to prevent down time. Most of the chip burners just expect you to put your rig in the stable until they get around to finally burning a new tune. I suppose you could have a spare pcm to send off to them, never thought of that, but seems unneeded for this guy.

Will you be using a AFR gauge in this truck during initial process? Dyno time?

While we are at this, you do realize you can run bigger cam w/o trouble? The important thing when you order is to go wider on the LSA, maybe even 114 or even 116º, which provides less overlap, which means less MAP fluctuations at idle, which means cleaner signal and smoother idle. That customization can cost between $10-$30 additional over the off the shelf base version.

The smoother idle actually can rob a little low end power but the trade off is worth it.

They sell cams specifically for the TBI motors, and are one of the companies I had called and found out about low price "custom grinds". I believe their price was $10 extra for custom grind, but I could have been wrong, it's been quite some time since I have called.

86-92 PreMag

I am well aware it says require computer modifications. I was not offering the info as an alternative to a computer tune, only mentioning that these are labeled for use with computer controlled and should be relatively trouble free with the tune unlike some more radical variants. Someone listed a site with stock specs, which if I remember correctly were ~240 advertised and ~190@.050

When I was going to build a 90 tbi for my baby I was going to go with a better than towing cam for a 94 ram I think comp cams was the maker. With no computer mods needed. You can also reset the timming curve with the right scan tool. I have a DRB 2 for my fleet. I was able to tweek the timming to gain some power also a black box in line to the ECM input witch will change the temp the air temp sensor sends to the ECM. It will also help with running better. I am going to up grade all my FI trucks to a OBD 1 magnum engine and wiring. A stock TBI 360 only has 165 to 185 HP where a magnum 318 is at least 220 HP. But the magnum is a less reliable engine. prone to many problems but with the right parts can be really good. I kinda lost my point but all well. Good looking out for finding a guy to retune a TBI ECM. Could of used that 6 years ago.

oh ok my buddy has one on is 05 cummings.

here is an allpar page with the small block specs. about 3/4 the way down they have the cam specs.

http://www.allpar.com/mopar/318.html

just goes to show you what a better cylinder head and a little more compression will do. the magnum engines aren't on the list. they are in the .390s in lift, about 240* advertised duration. yet they make better power. way more when the barrel intake is disposed of.

knowing the facts that joe mentioned about gearing and all that, you do need to have your combo well thought out, engine and fuel management and gearing and tires. otherwise it will never live up to what you want. one of the reasons i will go with 4.56s with the new lift/tires is based on that need. i want to try to run an 87 oct tune. the cam i am using is a reground stock cam with 208/214 dur, .512/.520 lift on a 112 lsa. i think even a tbi could work with that cam but would like to go mpi.
an aftermarket intake manifold and headers are all part of making the 360 work well enough to use the conservative tune. it's all about matching componets. otherwise any computer tune will be less than what you want.

one of my favorite bennys to being a parts guy is the cheaper prices. i can get a stock obd1 for $200, obd2 for less than $300. or ideally, find a working used unit to be reprogramed. problem for obd2 is you need the original vin.

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