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« Reply #200 on: February 18, 2010, 09:31:46 AM »

Beautiful home and amazing views! Agree

Looks like you have access to a nice boneyard too! Grin


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« Reply #201 on: March 1, 2010, 08:05:07 PM »

...so what does a fabricator do to his home to make it a bit unique, to make it more fun? - why he puts in a firemans pole of course!

Umm yeah - so my dad is a retired career volunteer firefighter, and I'm certain if I hadn't joined the military I'd have been a firefighter too.  And after growing up in firehouses and monkeying around on fire trucks...and sliding firepoles....well since we were building a house, why not have some fun with it?!!  So, I designed and installed a 33-foot long stainless steel firemans pole, from the 3rd floor loft all the way down to the basement. 
Two 20-foot long sticks of 3" x .125 wall DOM stainless steel, connected by a 2.5-foot long tube of 1/2-inch wall DOM stainless steel, the od machined to the precise id of the mains, plug welded into the upper half and slammed into the lower half, and the whole thing is mounted up in the rafters and it sits in a concrete base in the basement floor.  The whole thing is 33 feet long and is a total blast to slide!  We officially have a "fun house" Grin.

From the 'high-dive' in the 3rd floor loft... if you have the guts Shocked Cool



the look 'down the hole'...



the main-level view



'X' marks the spot Grin - if yer as big a Disney fan as my wife and I....well you get the picture...



construction - the bare tubing



sanding 33 feet of stainless with a dry electric sander - worked great!



and the day we installed it - we had to put it in during construction so the framers could mount it and the rest of the trades could finish it in.  Lots of 'em slid it until we wrapped it up for paint and texture Smiley



too much fun!! Cheesy Grin Smiley Cool

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« Reply #202 on: March 1, 2010, 09:51:18 PM »

...so what does a fabricator do to his home to make it a bit unique, to make it more fun? - why he puts in a firemans pole of course!

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Damn you Sam  As a 15 year FD veteran and currently a Lt I could only wish for a pole at home.

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« Reply #203 on: March 1, 2010, 11:13:04 PM »

that is awsome!  your dad has to love that too.  too cool.  Agree
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« Reply #204 on: March 1, 2010, 11:20:48 PM »

that is awsome!  your dad has to love that too.  too cool.  Agree
Dad is the eldest person to slide the whole thing - 74 yrs old.  Zack, our friends' 6-yr-old little boy, is the youngest...from the mid level not the high dive Smiley

Damn you Sam  As a 15 year FD veteran and currently a Lt I could only wish for a pole at home.


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« Reply #205 on: March 2, 2010, 04:20:22 AM »

Cool idea on the firemans pole !!!!! Is that a swing gate I see at each floor? Sam I have to say you guys did a Awesome job on your house!!!!! Hows the furball like his new house Wink.
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« Reply #206 on: March 2, 2010, 04:41:46 AM »

Cool idea on the firemans pole !!!!! Is that a swing gate I see at each floor? Sam I have to say you guys did a Awesome job on your house!!!!! Hows the furball like his new house Wink.
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yer up eeeeearly dude!  'Course so am I - I'm actually on a midnight shift keeping all y'all safe from the forces of evil!  Anyway, yup each floor has a self-closing/self-latching gate.  The furball?  You mean the cat or our two dogs?  Grin - thay all dig the new place for sure, and we definitely like having lots of room for the pups to run around.  Thye property is a 5-acre plot, and we fenced in about an acre of it off the back side of the house for the dogs.  They love their big honkin doggie door...and so do we Agree
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« Reply #207 on: March 2, 2010, 04:58:09 AM »

Yea I'm always up early. The last few weeks 3:00am seems to be the magic hour & now the cats expect me to get up to feed them Smiley. I should sleep better knowing you guys are up keeping safe from the forces of evil in this world & THANK you for doing that!!!! I saw your kitty on the couch & I know how they can rule the house & it looks like he has a AWESOME couch to sleep on!!
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« Reply #208 on: March 3, 2010, 03:55:33 AM »

looking good sam,  Grin love the cross bones at the bottom of the pole. but man, all this house stuff is slowing down the bud thread. lol  Wink
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« Reply #209 on: March 3, 2010, 11:23:36 AM »

Wow Sam, amazing. You and your wife sit back and have a nice relaxing evening sometime and bask in the glory of that place. It is sooo sweet man! Extremely nice place there. I like it alot. Congrats!

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How are you putting a crew cab onto a club cab frame? The club frame steps up at the B pillar, whereas the crews have a LONG flat in the frame all the way to behind the cab. Just curious!

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« Reply #210 on: March 3, 2010, 12:38:27 PM »

Looks like a stripper pole to me!  Grin

Awesome idea Sam.  Cool
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« Reply #211 on: March 3, 2010, 07:37:16 PM »

Looks like a stripper pole to me!  Grin

Awesome idea Sam.  Cool

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« Reply #212 on: March 3, 2010, 07:57:20 PM »

ssshhhhh i know a couple POLE MAIDS if it is ever in need of of a shining...... Grin   lol jk very nice
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How are you putting a crew cab onto a club cab frame? The club frame steps up at the B pillar, whereas the crews have a LONG flat in the frame all the way to behind the cab. Just curious!

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A club cab long bed has the same wheelbase as crewcab short bed, 149" IIRC.
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A club cab long bed has the same wheelbase as crewcab short bed, 149" IIRC.

While correct, your information is totally irrelevant to my point.
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 Grin Grin  -  the 3" pole is a lot easier to hang onto than the standard 1.5" pole too!  Bonus!  Thanks for the props - it was a lot of fun to do.  We still can't believe we actually pulled it off and the building code allowed it.  But it was actually a 'non-issue' - deemed about the same difference as a long spiral staircase or for sure a balcony.  Even the insurance company had not a single issue with it.

When we started talking about it the big issue was...what material to make it from?  We looked at brass, aluminum, regular steel, and stainless, and 'maintenance was a big issue, so stainless it was.  It is the best 'wearing' and every time we slide it...which is actually pretty often, it cleans itself Agree, and it's very resistant to hand prints and rust.  And...it's super strong.  Being 33-feel long the thing flexes a lot - like easily a foot side-to-side, which it needs to do otherwise it would break the upper and lower mounts, and itself.  
We thought about having it chromed but that would have been just a bit too much.  The entire gig cost about 3grand but furtunately our builder paid for it.  We took care of the logistics for transporting the tubing (which originally came from Chicago), having it made at a good welding shop in town, cleaning/polishing it, and installing it.  It was a LOT of fun, and even more so to play on the thing.

On the frame, with the back end of the cab 'resting' more or less in place on the frame, I'm planning to raise the front frame cab mounts the necesary amount to get the cab level.  Whatever that measurement ends up being will be the overall 'body lift', and I'll raise the front clip accordingly.  The mil-spec bed will be pretty much fully custom mounted with whatever 'lift' is necessary to get my arm inbetween the frame and the bed - I like to have just enough room to get a wrench in there.

Thanks for the frame specs '88 - that's good stuff Agree

...but man, all this house stuff is slowing down the bud thread. lol  Wink

yeah for sure...it's always something! eh? Smiley  Buuuut this was our life-changing-event, and it was so very worth it.  Bud knows he's coming...but for now he's just gonna have to wait.  I'm pretty sure the rig won't get built until next year - we just won't have the funds.  We're saving up now to build the big shop and the barn, but I will be picking on it now and then, slowly getting it up to snuff when the mad money comes in.  Meanwhile, me and the missus are looking forward to jumping in the Mule and going camping, fishing, mountain biking, hiking...all those things that we've been wanting to do during the summertime that have been soaked up building Nacho and saving up for the house Smiley.

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« Reply #217 on: March 4, 2010, 03:09:51 PM »

and so i see the plots of the wicked mad max... ok so i'll bite, why not just use a crew cab frame? I've seen a few for sale..
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...'cause I wanted the biggest/thickest/beefiest to start with, and that means the 90-93 vintage frames, also loosely known as the "diesel" frames.  They're big beefy beyotches Agree
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Hey Sam I'm not sure if you need these or not but I found em on the interwebz a while back and saved em. I think they're from a 70's FSM. May be usefull to someone.

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« Reply #220 on: March 4, 2010, 08:10:02 PM »

So with the big front leaf springs, one of the mods I'm considering is a shackle swap, IOW mounting the shackles in front and the fixed mount in back - opposite of factory.  Doing so would gain lots of clearance and mounting space but I'm not sure what the draw backs would be.

A couple thoughts I have are, under big extension (drop), the axle would drop rearward instead of forward, which should reduce the potential for driveshaft separation.  And with a big solid cross-over steering system, I would think bump steer would be no worse than mounting the shackles normally.

Another 'pro' would be the definite advantage for eliminating a bad caster angle.  Really...I can't think of a major 'con' to mounting the shackles in front.  Granted the shackle will be in front, up where we run into things...but that's also where the front bumper and winch mount will be so I can easily make some armor if needs be, and I can steer away from the major obstacles so I'm not too worried about schwacking the shackles.....and besides...they're made of steel and steel is strong stuff. 

Full-size Jeeps ran (and I think are still running) shackles for ever with no issues, so why not a full-size Dodge?

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« Reply #221 on: March 4, 2010, 08:35:54 PM »

Back in the day, the jeep folks used to swap the front shackles around claiming they would get a better ride. the theory was that with the shackle in the rear, when you hit a pothole, the spring will arc up from the non shackle end, towards the rear of the vehicle. with the shackle in the front, they claimed that when hitting a pothole, the axle wanted to swing towards the front, into the hole further.  I can see the theory they claim, but then again, the newer trucks with coil springs, and track bars would have the same bad ride.  No clue

bump steer may actually be worse, remember, bump steer is a function of the relation of the steering box, and the axle, in a stock setup that distance will not move as much as if the shackle was in the front, then the axle will theoretically pivot from the rear spring mount, and arc forward and back.
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« Reply #222 on: March 4, 2010, 10:51:13 PM »

mid-90's F-350's had the shackles on the front of the front spring if I remember right.  Another full-size to consider that the factory has done it that way.
I've also heard claims of benefit of front shackles is that the force of the spring compressing will push the tire harder into the obstacle you're trying to climb, making more traction potential.
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« Reply #223 on: March 5, 2010, 08:59:45 AM »

I saw a mid 70's 3/4 ton 4x4 dodge truck with the shackles in the front of the springs that looked like a factory set up. Maybe Dodge did it for some years?
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« Reply #224 on: March 5, 2010, 09:42:28 AM »


bump steer may actually be worse, remember, bump steer is a function of the relation of the steering box, and the axle, in a stock setup that distance will not move as much as if the shackle was in the front, then the axle will theoretically pivot from the rear spring mount, and arc forward and back.

copy - and with my big crossover steering...and possible full hydro steering in the future...I'm hoping the bump steer issue will be moot.  I'm near certain I'll go this route with Bud, and if works good then I may do the same to Mack downt he road.

I saw a mid 70's 3/4 ton 4x4 dodge truck with the shackles in the front of the springs that looked like a factory set up. Maybe Dodge did it for some years?

I think I remember that too.  Well it sure would solve a bunch of front suspension issues...

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« Reply #225 on: March 5, 2010, 09:58:44 AM »

copy - and with my big crossover steering...and possible full hydro steering in the future...I'm hoping the bump steer issue will be moot.  

Crossover would definitely make it a moot point.

The other points may be more of a wives tale. but then again, there must be some reason that Detroit chose not to go the cheaper route and put the shackle in the front.   No clue  Especially considering that you are going to go with arched springs which will also accentuate shackle movement.
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« Reply #226 on: March 5, 2010, 11:29:35 AM »

Crossover would definitely make it a moot point.

The other points may be more of a wives tale. but then again, there must be some reason that Detroit chose not to go the cheaper route and put the shackle in the front.   No clue  Especially considering that you are going to go with arched springs which will also accentuate shackle movement.

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« Reply #227 on: March 5, 2010, 02:54:10 PM »

I had a '75 CJ that we swapped the shackles to the rear of the spring.  The ride was much better.  What I mean is that after hitting a bump on the highway or pothole the jeep was controllable and comfortable.  Before the swap, a bump would throw the front end all over the road and I would have to saw the wheel to control it.  This was with stock springs too, no lift.

I also has an '86 f-250 with front mounted shackles and there was not issue there except it was the split swing arm axle Dana 44 in the front and I don't think that is a good example.

It's possilbe that with a big ass truck, you won't have an issue, but I would never want the shackles on the front in a Jeep if it was going to see the highway.
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I had a 1964 CJ5 that originally had the shackles on the front. I can't remember why Jeep designed it that way but it was not one of there better ideas. When you hit a big chuck hole or log or sharp incline the axle is forced into that object instead of flowing back & over it. I actually bent a pair front springs in my CJ5 truing to get out of a deep mud hole. The main Leif bent 6" front of the rear spring eye giving me an additional 3" of lift after I got out of the hole. After that I did a shackle reversal so it was like our Dodges & ine front axle did flow a lot better onet objects.
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okay - so I'm surfing "Dodge Ram" video's on youtube...and I came across this one that nearly made me fall off my chair!! Grin  It is a bit riske' - not sure I'd open it at work, and I was gonna post it in the 'boobies' thread (no 'reply' function??), but this is just to damned funny not to share!  It's not a porno even though the initial pic looks it.  This is seriously funny -

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« Reply #233 on: March 9, 2010, 11:48:39 AM »

ya know.... the more I think about it, I think I'm going to 'triple stick' the 205 so I can go front drive only.  Been thinking about the switchbacks out here carving up a mountain side, and being able to slide the front end to complete a turn might just make good sense with my wheel base.  Plus, I think it was Dave who confirmed that front burnouts are indeed cool Cool
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i like the triple stick set-up just because it looks bad-a$$!
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BTW, it's about time this thread started talking about trucks instead of the MAD MAX compound! Grin
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That is Sonny Honnegers rig.  He ran it in the first Top Truck Challenge.  IIRC it wieghed  something like 10 K.
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I saw a bobbed duece and a half on tv today and looking at it I had one of those cartoon light bulbs go off in my head... How cool would a deuce and a half with a crew cab be?

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ohhh now don't tempt me Grin - I did seriously consider bobbing a deuce, but I think my little pick-em-up truck'll be juuust right Wink
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« Reply #241 on: March 23, 2010, 10:24:01 AM »

Hey I was just wondering, when you box the frame, how are you going to coat the inside of the box to prevent rust?
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dip tank and frame rotisserie Grin
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« Reply #243 on: March 24, 2010, 09:15:34 PM »

Is that the only option? It seems like it would be a bit thick on the inside of the frame, but that might be a good thing. How would that effect the use of multiple coatings? If I'm not making sense, I remember on the frame of Nacho there was one layer of primer, another layer of POR-15, and then a layer of paint. Would that work in a dip tank, or would it not matter because no one is going to see the inside of the frame?

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well I'm not sure how exactly I'll coat the inside of the frame - hadn't thought about it really, but the inner boxing will have access holes in it and I'll likely just reach in with a brush and slap in some basic chassis black.  I ciould powdercoat it all, and it probably wouldn't be too difficult to get it inside the frame, but getting the frame in the oven...that's the problem Grin
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I've heard of guys years ago with the jeep frames totally boxing them. Then they would take & put a gallon of paint in each frame rail & rotate it & tilt it multiple times till they thought all surfaces were covered & then drain out the extra paint.
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I've heard of guys years ago with the jeep frames totally boxing them. Then they would take & put a gallon of paint in each frame rail & rotate it & tilt it multiple times till they thought all surfaces were covered & then drain out the extra paint.
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« Reply #247 on: March 25, 2010, 09:27:35 PM »

some one say bobed 4 wheel steer crew cab duce?

http://www.steelsoldiers.com/deuce-modification-hot-rodding/45809-m35a2-crew-cab-2-rear-steer.html

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« Reply #249 on: March 26, 2010, 02:02:28 AM »

Man Im absolutly crazy about Duceys but even their starting to seem to big to serve a purpose Undecided?
Trail wise,city wise,mileage wise,money wise....But I geuss if you can afford it "Why not?"

I think you should something similar to the "1 Tone of Fun" build on pirate 4x4 http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=448507
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