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83 with the I-6. Has 33" all terrains, not sure on the lift, I imagine 4"?   The Jeep is a dog on the freeway vs the wind, is the I-6 typically a weak motor? I don't think the gears have been changed. It runs a little rough at idle so I plan on doing a tuneup and replace the stock exhaust (and removing the cat). I am so tempted to throw a set of full width Dana 60s under it and go with coilovers to run 37s or 38s. I already need to build alot of stuff for it, tube doors, rock sliders, bumpers, full cage, etc. |
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« Reply #1 on: August 17, 2009, 10:47:35 AM » |
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What transmission is in it? I have/had a 83 258 and it is a real dog due to 3.08 gears or something like that in the axles. It was a 4 speed manual but the transmission broke and I got a 3 speed for free so I put that in and it made things much worse.
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« Reply #2 on: August 17, 2009, 10:54:54 AM » |
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That's a great looking CJ7!!!!! I think it needs a 440 for that lack of power thing;D.
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« Reply #3 on: August 17, 2009, 10:57:18 AM » |
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A 440 would definitely fix the power issue. The guy I got mine from has a 80 cj7 sitting on chevy 3/4 axles 39.5 tires and has a 400 sbc in it with a four speed and it is a beast. So I could only imagine if someone put some mopar power into one!
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« Reply #4 on: August 17, 2009, 11:59:34 AM » |
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Well I have the 440 in my RC that can roast the 44" tires on the street, would make that jeep fly  It has a 5 speed manual, no idea what tranny it is. I don't want to regear if I may swap axles. Don't know yet, all I know is it needs more power. Being use to Cummins', Powerstrokes and 440s the wind was never an issue. Hopefully a tune up and new exhaust might help it run a bit better. |
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« Reply #5 on: August 17, 2009, 12:46:29 PM » |
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Sam - Kinda hard to tell from the picture, but it looks like about the same lift as mine - 2-1/2" springs, 1" body lift, and 1/2" shackle lift. If you don't have any body lift, then it is probably a 4" spring lift. Mine is a dog on the freeway also ... I dare say that these lifted, big tired Jeeps are a worse 'brick' than an RC  and remember that these things were never really made to be freeway cruisers anyway .... Check out what gears you have - I still have 3:31 which are way too high for 33s - if you have any thing higher than about 4:10s that will be part of your problem. (I'm probably going to 4:27 or 4:56 haven't decided yet.) Your tranny is most likely a BW T5 (unless someone swapped in a NV4500 or something, which would be cool!) The T5 is considered a weak tranny - but that also depends on your right foot Lot's of people blow them up, yet others wheel them behind V8s and keep them together .... I'll still say that the 258 is a good little engine that will take any where you want to go - Probably won't do real well with 60 and 38s though, but like they say gears, gears, gears ... although I doubt the T5 will hold up to all that - If you have the Carter BBD carb, your idle jets are probably plugged up, a common problem with that carb ... you need to drill them out with a .035" .032" drill - that should fix the rough idle (or help a lot anyway.) Also, if you have the computer controlled Carter setup, and don't have to deal with smog; then do whats called the 'Nutter bypass" and rip all that crap out of there, it is nothing but crap ... very much the same as the computer controlled Carters on Dodges, except it's a Ford system .... Let me know if you need any help, I can post up links and details etc - Mark |
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« Reply #6 on: August 17, 2009, 12:47:50 PM » |
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Sam I hate to say this but if you would have just read your own Jeep site here you would have know that the Jeep motor is very weak on the highway. That motor was designed for low speed crawling not freeway driving. Most don't recommend adding any of the after market products either. They only help at the higher RPM range and that is not were you need to be rock crawling. lol puttputt56
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« Reply #7 on: August 17, 2009, 02:54:29 PM » |
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Well I need help in the upper end, the low end is fine  Yeah there is alot of smog crap there, all stock setup basically. Gonna rip all that stuff out. Not sure what carb yet, haven't really looked at the motor much. I would like some more info on that carb mod since that is prob what I have. |
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« Reply #8 on: August 17, 2009, 02:55:22 PM » |
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oh yeah it is all spring lift, looks like homemade shackles too but not sure. Rides like a friggin tank.
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« Reply #9 on: August 17, 2009, 05:05:16 PM » |
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oh yeah it is all spring lift, looks like homemade shackles too but not sure. Rides like a friggin tank.
Mines ride like a tank also ... the PO put a ProComp lift on it - the worst possible lift money can buy for a Jeep ... down the road I'm changing it out to a 'Black Diamond' or 'Old Man Emu' (sp?) too many other thing to do first - Okay: Here's the Carter idle tube fix ... it's a kinda lame article but tells you what to do. Under The Solution #8 where he says to run some thin wire in the jets is where you drill them out with .032" drill (he notes that in a foot note.) I think I have some better pictures at home from when I did mine ... I'll look tonight. IDLE TUBE FIXHere's two links to the 'Nutter Bypass' - In the first one, you only need to read the first post. In the second picture where he shows the picture of the ICM connector - you can get a new connector that's wired for the purple wire - makes it easy to just make a new harness, which is what I did (I think it was a Standard Brands connector - it's just a replacement connector for a pre computer Ford ICM.) Second link is just another write up on the same thing - Some where I have a link to the original write up that John Nutter did - can't find right this minute - (actually, I think that second link is John Nutter's write up - hadn't read that in awhile ) Hardest part is getting air valve (stepper motor pin) on the Carter set right - just takes a bit of fiddling Nutter 1Nutter 2And this a really good site for fiddling with the emissions crap: http://home.sprynet.com/~dale02/list.htmActually that sprynet link has most of the above info - look under Idle Problems, and under Ign Tweeking, than click the diagragms. (hadn't read that page in awhile either ) IF you do the bypass thing, it's a good time to do the ign up grade we talked about in your other thread - |
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« Reply #10 on: August 21, 2009, 10:06:30 AM » |
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Thanks for those links, I may try to do some of this stuff this weekend, but I have to work on my RC so it is ready for Ram Jam so not sure. I have a feeling I will throw full width dana 60s under it and run H1 beadlocks with the stock offset. I am also thinking coil springs and 4 link are in the future to help soften up the tank ride. Plus I like flexy |
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« Reply #11 on: August 21, 2009, 10:46:15 AM » |
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Nice Jeep Sam.  Needs a bikini top & a 340 with aluminum heads, intake, water pump & radiator. That would fix your power issue & still keep it light.  I always thought it would be fun to build an 80's Jeep or 70's FJ with a 340. |
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« Reply #12 on: August 22, 2009, 01:08:37 PM » |
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nice jeep sam.
if you want to keep the I-6 i would build a stroker out of it. there are several kits out there to make it a 4.6L or 4.7L. the mid 90's HO head is the most desireable stock head, though i think there is an aftermarket head now. a small block is always nice in those. a new HEMI maybe? just a thought. even a 318 will get the job done and be super reliable.
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« Reply #13 on: August 23, 2009, 08:50:42 PM » |
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Well someone pulled themself up into the jeep from the steering wheel and broke the column, so now I need to buy another one. Figure I will just buy a new one when I get the cash, kinda pisses me off because nobody is fessing up to it, but oh well.
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« Reply #14 on: August 24, 2009, 09:07:38 AM » |
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Best fix for the 258 would be a magnum 360 swap.
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Well someone pulled themself up into the jeep from the steering wheel and broke the column, so now I need to buy another one. Figure I will just buy a new one when I get the cash, kinda pisses me off because nobody is fessing up to it, but oh well.
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« Reply #16 on: August 25, 2009, 11:28:05 PM » |
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It was me...I am sorry i couldn't help it I was so excited to get behind the wheel...gee I hate being fat I always break stuff LMAO - I was wondering how anyone could possibly break the steering column on a CJ .... |
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« Reply #17 on: August 26, 2009, 07:32:59 AM » |
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Well it didn't literally break the whole column, broke a piece internally so it flops around. And no not the bolts that you can tighten back down, but that assembly they are in.
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would a 4bt be too heavy for a jeep?
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« Reply #23 on: September 8, 2009, 12:21:00 PM » |
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There was a CJ-5 a few years back in TTC that had one in it. Worked quite well.
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Sam - 4bt swap I never actually read this thread since I'm not interested in doing it ... but more than one of these guys have done this - You mainly want to read the posts from BigTorqueCJ But like Dave said - it's awful heavy .... |
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hmm, that thread says the 4bt is only 60lbs heavier then an AMC 360. I planned on running dana 60s and coilovers, so I can move the front axle forward to help with weight distribution (the post says their is no issue with weight).
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I see that (I finally read the whole thread today Pretty interesting idea, and that other site he links, has more info than you ever want to know |
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Well going with 60s for sure, got the hydro assist, crossover, etc. Would it be too much trouble making a dodge steering box work on the jeep or would it be easier to just tap the jeep box for hydro assist? Also may have a 4bt in the works. Jamie is currently doing a 4bt install in a jeep at his shop and it fits nice So if I can get a lowdown on this 4bt Mike (malebiker) knows about I may get it (if Mike doesn't). I have also been looking at stretching the wheelbase. Just not too sure how much I want to stretch just yet. There are another billion things I want to do, damn jeep. |
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Well ax the 4bt since they want to sell it as a package, unless I find another one. After spending quite some time with a 4 link calculator, I think I am just gonna run rancho 44044 all around which will stretch the wheelbase. Probably run 39s or 40s since it will be up high. if I end up only running 2" springs SOA then I will prob run 38s or 37s. Gonna have to comp cut the body if I do that, previous owner is prob gonna kill me for doing that Want to end up looking sorta like this http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7203537&postcount=125 |
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Well ax the 4bt since they want to sell it as a package, unless I find another one. After spending quite some time with a 4 link calculator, I think I am just gonna run rancho 44044 all around which will stretch the wheelbase. Probably run 39s or 40s since it will be up high. if I end up only running 2" springs SOA then I will prob run 38s or 37s. Gonna have to comp cut the body if I do that, previous owner is prob gonna kill me for doing that Want to end up looking sorta like this http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7203537&postcount=125That Jeep looks pretty cool. What tires do you think...? Iroks? |
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« Reply #30 on: October 9, 2009, 08:28:13 AM » |
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Not sure yet but I do like the Iroks. Pittbulls and MTRs also look good.
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« Reply #31 on: October 9, 2009, 09:15:01 AM » |
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Not sure yet but I do like the Iroks. Pittbulls and MTRs also look good.
I like the Pitbulls a lot, but the MTR's tread looks a little close together. Maybe I'd change my mind if I saw one in person, but it looks like a souped up version of the old Goodyear GSA. |
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« Reply #32 on: October 9, 2009, 09:24:59 AM » |
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The 40" MTR doesn't look that bad, but it would be a choice due to its on road aspect the most. I think it would be good enough offroad to justify, but I like the other 2 for trail ability more.
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« Reply #33 on: October 21, 2009, 03:59:01 PM » |
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Trying to find an auto for it so my wife can drive it too. Would like to grab a 727 out of a wagoneer and use that. I should be ordering a new steering column and shaft here pretty soon.
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« Reply #34 on: November 6, 2009, 02:34:59 PM » |
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Got the column and started to put it in, any time you bank on it (to get the steering shaft coupler over the columns splined end) the damn shaft goes back up into the housing (collapsable shaft). It is a pain in the ass to get back out too.
So, I am gonna pull the steering shaft and do it out of the truck. Should be much easier.
I also am going a new route with springs, gonna run 84-88 Yota rear springs front and rear. With the spring over that should be enough to run the tires I want. The 44044's just seem to make it too tall and plus it gets pricey if you have to buy all new springs.
I still need to get the axles prepped (gears, lockers) and rebuild them (bearings, seals), build the suspension, shocks, wheels and tires and make it all work together. I suppose I will just tap the jeep box since the dodge one that is already tapped is probably too big to use.
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« Reply #35 on: November 7, 2009, 09:08:06 AM » |
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Sounds like your making progress. What size tires are you going to end up with? Are you going to D60s?
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« Reply #36 on: November 7, 2009, 09:13:30 AM » |
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Sounds like your making progress. What size tires are you going to end up with? Are you going to D60s?
Well going with 60s for sure... Probably run 39s or 40s since it will be up high. if I end up only running 2" springs SOA then I will prob run 38s or 37s. |
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« Reply #37 on: November 7, 2009, 09:55:52 AM » |
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Thanks Brad!! I should have read the whole thread again  . A healthy 6BT would be sweet But a healthy 440 would be AWESOME!!! |
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« Reply #38 on: November 9, 2009, 11:25:20 AM » |
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From what I can find a 440 weighs about 170 lbs more then then I6 that is in it. How much weight can be saved with aluminum heads and intake on a 440?
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« Reply #39 on: November 9, 2009, 12:10:52 PM » |
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From what I can find a 440 weighs about 170 lbs more then then I6 that is in it. How much weight can be saved with aluminum heads and intake on a 440?
Aluminum heads, intake and water pump housing = 170 lbs Add some fender trimming, a fiberglass hood, and an aluminum radiator... might get another 50 lbs. |
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« Reply #40 on: November 9, 2009, 04:59:53 PM » |
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James better hurry up on the 440 before I change my mind and stick it in the jeep |
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« Reply #41 on: November 9, 2009, 05:24:24 PM » |
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James better hurry up on the 440 before I change my mind and stick it in the jeep He's got a hard core competition rock buggy on 49's in the shop w/a LOT of work to be done. Also has a couple of other projects going as well. I haven't worked out anything with him regarding my list and your motor or your cage/sliders and the motor. I'm in McAllen today and tomorrow. I'll try to call him either tonight or on the way home from the airport tomorrow to see if he has any new thoughts. |
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« Reply #42 on: November 9, 2009, 05:43:09 PM » |
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Try to convince him to take the whole thing |
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« Reply #43 on: November 9, 2009, 05:47:26 PM » |
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Try to convince him to take the whole thing I sent him an IM saying just that. I told him I'd follow up with a phone call. |
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« Reply #44 on: November 19, 2009, 08:52:57 PM » |
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Well I have decided on the motor finally. Gonna take the 318 and auto tranny out of a 94 ZJ I have (my sisters old Jeep). Jamie is gonna help me wire it up all factory like, it sure is good having automotive genius friends I couldn't pass up free and fuel injection to boot. I think I will rob the flowmasters out of the Ramcharger and might even take the autometer guages if someone doesn't buy the body soon. |
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« Reply #45 on: March 7, 2010, 09:43:13 PM » |
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Well I did the nutter bypass today, seems to run better. I will find out once I get it on the high way. I still think I need to give it a tuneup, seems to be missing still and I noticed my test light wasn't firing every time when it should. Not sure if the test light is bad or number 1 isn't always firing. I didn't pop the cap to see what that looks like yet.
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« Reply #46 on: March 22, 2010, 01:49:39 PM » |
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Tranny took a dump right after doing the nutter bypass and putting a brand new starter in. So go the garage organized and have both jeeps in the garage. I will take some pics of the 94 grand cherokee as I pull the 5.2 magnum out of it.
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« Reply #47 on: March 30, 2010, 03:05:07 PM » |
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Got some used 38.5x14.5 Super Swamper SXs in a part trade for the 440, so those will go on the Jeep.
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« Reply #48 on: March 31, 2010, 04:06:38 PM » |
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Pics of the wheels and the donor Jeep  94 Grand Cherokee I started to pull apart  This pic is to show the lift height mounted  Another pic to show lift height |
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« Reply #49 on: March 31, 2010, 07:51:54 PM » |
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What tranny are you going to run?
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