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Hey guys,

So I've spent countless hours on the google machine looking for new tires and rims.

I'm looking for a new set and here's basically what I'd like:

37-38" tall x under 12" wide, load range E or 3500+ lb. and 10 ply would be nice. Rim size doesn't really matter to me. Bolt pattern is 8 x 6.5
Here's the tires I've found and look good, but don't quite fit all my needs/wants:
37X12.50-17LT, Trepador
Toyo 37x13.50R17LT Tire, Open Country M/T
Nitto 37x13.50R17LT Tire, Mud Grappler - 200-600
37x12.50R17LT, Razr MT Tire

All are 12" wide or more, this isn't the biggest problem and I can live with it, but would prefer something skinnier.

My favorite tires are the Maxxis trepador's, they look sweet! Some I see are competition tires and made of softer rubber. I'm worried they won't last long on the street and they aren't exactly cheap. But they do seem to have non-competition versions that may be a better option.

The next issue is the rims. I can't seem to find any that will fit the tires I want and have the load carrying capacity I need. The steel pro comp rock crawler wheels are only rated for 2000 lb and that's no good.

I found these: AR767 Series, 16x8 with 8 on 6.5 Bolt Pattern - Gloss Black
They have a better load rating (3100 lb) but they come in 17x8 and I can't seem to find tires I want for 8" width, just 8.5 - 11"
The back space is: 4.97" and I THINK that's good for my truck.

Now I figured I'd look into the H1 wheels again since those where the best wheels I've ever seen/owned.. but since they're 16.5" it's hard to find any good tires for them!
Trail worthy fab has some custom made wheels I hadn't seen before: 17" Double D's made in house.
They look sweet being 17" and true double bead lock!
They seem to have a max of 3.5" back spacing and I'm not sure if that's enough or not. Also they are EXPENSIVE!

Also I'm seeing they have these: 17 x 9" TRAIL SERIES WHEELS - NON BEAD LOCK
They are decent looking, but not bead lock and still a bit expensive. I'd have to email Andy and check, but since they say "trail wheels" I'm not sure if there road worthy.

During my googling I see a lot of people wanting tall, skinny "pizza cutter" wheels. Most of them are wanting tires around 34" tall and have a hard time, I really don't want anything that small.

Any tips or info would be greatly appreciated! If anyone has tried the listed tires and has an opinion on them I'd like to hear it, especially the Trepador's!
Or if you can recommend another tire that would be great too.

My goal is to get a set of tires that are good for street use but won't leave me stuck in the mud. Skinny tires would be nice for fuel economy and easy turning with no rubbing.

Looking forward to seeing what you guys think!

I'm just waiting for a quote from Jim and I should get the rear end raised in pretty soon! 

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    Re: Having a real hard time finding skinny, tall tires! Any tips?
    « Reply #1 on: March 11, 2017, 12:58:30 PM »
    I know you said they aren't your first choice, but you sure you won't reconsider the military combo? I got 5 tires and wheels for $500 with the molding tits still on the tread. They have been on a thousand mile road trip and are decent. A little vibration, but for the price, well worth it.
    The "experts" are great at telling you what you can't do. Don't let someone else's opinion be your limiting factor.

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    Re: Having a real hard time finding skinny, tall tires! Any tips?
    « Reply #2 on: March 11, 2017, 01:51:58 PM »
    Well, I'd LOVE to go that route, but for one, I'd need to get the front wheels recentered. And to do that I may as well just buy two from TWF cause shipping them around to get it done will cost more then the wheels.
    Also my biggest problem with them is the tire options. I found the military BFG's great on the street and I love being able to air down, they also wear like rocks. But they SUCK in the mud and when it's snowy or icy. (not really a problem I have winters) but I need reliable mud tires. I've been stuck enough times that I want to avoid it all I can.
    If you where in Canada I'd consider trying to make it work, even if I just used them for certain trips I'd pop em on. But your real far away, I think it'd cost a fortune to ship them up here. The two I got recentered and shipping where a pain in the ass to get up here. I couldn't get them over the boarder, something about them being military products. So I had them shipped to family in Florida, painted there and then sent to me. Wasn't cheap.

    Thanks for the offer though, I wish it could work. That's a fair price!
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    Re: Having a real hard time finding skinny, tall tires! Any tips?
    « Reply #3 on: March 11, 2017, 04:00:55 PM »
    unless there is no country near you , I'd go to a tire shop that does truck/ag tractor / trailer etc tires and ask , that way you know the shipping boarder problem isn't one , and he can show you pics of what he can get you . there are a TON more tires than YOU can find on the net , there your directed to the ones they wanna sell , unless you know EXACTLY what info to type in ...
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    Re: Having a real hard time finding skinny, tall tires! Any tips?
    « Reply #4 on: March 11, 2017, 04:34:37 PM »
    Hey Roy,

    Well I've emailed a handful of places, no reply's yet. I'm not in a rush, still need to raise the back end. But spring is on the way and once it's warm my winter tires will start to wear out faster. I'd like to get a few more winters out of them.

    I'll try going to some truck/trailer shops in person and see what I can come up with.

    It was driving me crazy, all I see is the "common" tires/wheels like you say, that they seem to want to sell people. Mostly alloy junk or low load capacity. Too many people with grocery getting street trucks!
    I've seen a few trucks driving around with tires I'd love to have, just never seen them parked or able to flag them down to ask about them.

    Thanks for the tip, I'll look into it this week when the shops are open!
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    Re: Having a real hard time finding skinny, tall tires! Any tips?
    « Reply #5 on: March 12, 2017, 03:01:35 AM »
    you are absolutely correct on the grocery getters  AND the truck manufactures now cater to the urban folks who shine their tires .      that will NOT work in the country for me , one trip down my own driveway and they are dirty ......   
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    Re: Having a real hard time finding skinny, tall tires! Any tips?
    « Reply #6 on: March 12, 2017, 09:57:25 AM »
    HAHA! Well, I can't lie I have mostly paved roads around me.. but that doesn't mean I want a street truck!
    I try to get the truck in the dirt when I can, been a while though since my last tires SUCKED. BF Goodrich ko1, they claim to be good in the mud and snow (even had the snowflake/mountain) but it's a total lie. I'd get stuck on wet grass, it was pathetic. And in the snow was a joke, burn outs at street lights getting going when everyone else just drives. So glad to have sold them.
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    Re: Having a real hard time finding skinny, tall tires! Any tips?
    « Reply #7 on: March 13, 2017, 01:28:28 PM »
    My vote is for the toyo mts

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    Re: Having a real hard time finding skinny, tall tires! Any tips?
    « Reply #8 on: March 13, 2017, 04:22:07 PM »
    I do like them, probably my second choice. They have a great load rating and there the cheapest option.
    Have you tried them? Are they any good in the mud? I've read the reviews and they have a 5 star rating where I looked.
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    Re: Having a real hard time finding skinny, tall tires! Any tips?
    « Reply #9 on: March 13, 2017, 04:46:56 PM »
    Hey Roy,

    What do you recommend I look for in a truck/trailer shop?
    Everyone I call only seems to have big rig stuff :(

    Maybe I need to try more out in the country area..?
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    Re: Having a real hard time finding skinny, tall tires! Any tips?
    « Reply #10 on: March 13, 2017, 05:19:43 PM »
    probably , seems in citys there are auto shops and then there are semi shops , here we have auto , then we have the place where farmers get their tires , for their tractors , wife's cars , hay wagons , and their pick ups .   
     I had the same experience your having when I found myself living in suburbia .. So , I DO speak from experience
    even if it was a bad one  ???   
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    Re: Having a real hard time finding skinny, tall tires! Any tips?
    « Reply #11 on: March 13, 2017, 07:39:21 PM »
    haha, wife's cars and hay wagons!

    Right on, I'll be trying places out of my area tomorrow and see what I can find.

    Thanks!
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    Re: Having a real hard time finding skinny, tall tires! Any tips?
    « Reply #12 on: March 14, 2017, 05:37:10 PM »
    If I had hair, I'd be pulling it out. I had a snow day today so I went to a few places, made a bunch of calls and wrote a lot of emails.

    Some of my responses:


    - Collin,
    Unfortunately in a 37" the wheels need to be 8.5" wide minimum.
     
    -Troy

    (I can't find a steel rim in the size and weight capacity I need)

    - Good Afternoon
    The maxxis tire your referring to is a load range e. Thatís what I strongly recommend

    Mike Peace
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    Hey Mike,

    I do love this tire. My problem is finding a rim to fit that's also got a load capacity of 3000 lb. or greater.
    The Maxxis tires are 8.5"-11 and the only wheel I found that has the load rating I want is 8" (AR767 series, 16x8 with 8 on 6.5 AR767882)

    I've narrowed it down to a few tires I really like, but the rims just don't fit! I want steel, no alloys and I'd like them to 1, be heavy duty and 2, not flashy, just simple.
    Listed below are the tires I'd consider, it's just the rims and matching them up I'm having a hard time with!
    I know it's unlikely, but I'd also love the tires to be under 12" width.

    Any help would be appreciated!

    Thanks,

    Collin

    37X12.50-17LT, Trepador
    Toyo 37x13.50R17LT Tire, Open Country M/T
    Nitto 37x13.50R17LT Tire, Mud Grappler - 200-600
    37x12.50R17LT, Razr MT Tire

    - Mike - The only steelies Iím seeing in a 17inch is the pro comp with a 4.25 inch backspace and they are 9 inch wide

    - Me - And those are 2000 lb right?

    (...silence and the end of that convo.)

    Procomp's reply:

    The steel wheel is rated at 2200lbs per wheel our aluminum wheels are rated at 3500lbs i would recommend these over the steel wheel.

    Thank you,
    Pro Comp Customer Support Team

    (not what I asked for, but thanks anyway  ::) )


    This is about what I hear on the phone too. I'm starting to think there is no tire/wheel combos for what I'm looking for.. I won't budge on the weight capacity.. I may need to go aluminum or alloy.. BOOO!  {flipoff}
    And looks like no skinny tires either :(

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    Re: Having a real hard time finding skinny, tall tires! Any tips?
    « Reply #13 on: March 15, 2017, 02:55:05 AM »
      so yer saying you have a 6000 lbs axle up front ?
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    Re: Having a real hard time finding skinny, tall tires! Any tips?
    « Reply #14 on: March 15, 2017, 11:18:34 AM »
    No, 4500.. but the truck already weighs over 7000 lb. I'd like to KNOW the wheels won't fail.
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    Re: Having a real hard time finding skinny, tall tires! Any tips?
    « Reply #15 on: March 16, 2017, 11:25:22 PM »
    I too prefer a skinnier/taller tire... but at the end of the day, you can't beat the price point and load capacity of a 315/75R16E. Find some cheap used 16x8 wheels and go. My 2 cents.
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    Re: Having a real hard time finding skinny, tall tires! Any tips?
    « Reply #16 on: March 17, 2017, 06:30:12 PM »
    I'm finding no luck with a skinny, tall tire. I'll have to try and ask someone about them next time I see them on their truck.
    The tire size you recommend is a 35, correct? I'm thinking that's too small. I just sold a set of 35's and they are a bit smaller then I'd like.
    If Jim ever gets back to me with the quote, I'll be lifting the back end and I'm going to have around 5" of lift.
    I've also been told that if I want 37" or more I need wider then an 8" rim.

    I'm pretty sure I've found the wheels I'm going to go with, but there very expensive so I'll have to see. But I know I won't regret them. Trail worthy fab's new 17" double d's look perfect for me. Steel, load rating I want, double bead lock and I'll get rock rings. I'm also thinking Toyo 37x13.50R17LT Tire, Open Country M/T, recommended on here, read great reviews and also Andy at TWF highly recommend em. Sounds good to me!
    He said they also come in 12.5 width, I'll see if I can get those over the 13.5

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    Re: Having a real hard time finding skinny, tall tires! Any tips?
    « Reply #17 on: March 18, 2017, 04:44:53 PM »
    IMO, the price spikes kinda hard when you hit 37".

    My cheapskate solution would be 3rdgen or H2 wheels... 17x8 I think they are... and run 37x12.50R17s.

    (I already have a 2ndgen rear axle, and a couple 2" wheel spacers to my credit tho  ;)  )
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    Re: Having a real hard time finding skinny, tall tires! Any tips?
    « Reply #18 on: March 18, 2017, 10:06:06 PM »
    Ya, that's what I'm noticing too. But hey, I knew lifting the truck wasn't going to be cheap. Still cheaper then a lame-o new truck and way cooler!  {cool}

    I just looked up a bit on the H2's. I can't seem to find much real info on the weight rating, just others on forums talking about it, for example: http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/76-speciality-forums/124-wheels-tires/73503-h2-wheel-capacity-2.html

    Also they fuuuggly :P  And I do not want any type of spacer. I bought them before in attempt to mount the H1's without re-centering and just did not trust them.
    I'd also assume 2nd gen wheels will be the chrome, flashy types? I'll have to do some more research on this though.
    Thanks for the tips!

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    Re: Having a real hard time finding skinny, tall tires! Any tips?
    « Reply #19 on: March 18, 2017, 11:35:05 PM »
    And I do not want any type of spacer. .... I'd also assume 2nd gen wheels will be the chrome, flashy types? I'll have to do some more research on this though.

    I figured upgrading to 9/16" studs, plus a spacer, is no big deal on the 4500# rated front end. Payload goes in the back, at the later axles are wider (don't need a spacer) plus they already have 9/16" studs.

    3rdgen wheels are 17". The chrome steel and the aluminum are 8" wide. The plain steelies (I have a set) are 7.5" wide. They can all be made black.  ;D
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    Re: Having a real hard time finding skinny, tall tires! Any tips?
    « Reply #20 on: March 19, 2017, 08:31:47 AM »
    For 9/16" studs, would you need to drill the hubs out a bit?
    My truck is pretty front heavy with the Cummins and front bumper/brush guard. The back is much lighter with no load. Some garages won't even put my truck on the lift because of this.
    The rear axle has lots of room because of the flatbed, I don't have to worry about the wheel well. And I think mine are 1/2'' studs in the back, the nuts fit all my wheels.
    Do the 3rd gen wheels fit without spacers in the front? I have no problem painting them, it's the style I usually don't like. I prefer the 8 "bullet hole" wheels, nice and simple. But I do see some that aren't too bad. Like the picture attached, there alright I guess.
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    Re: Having a real hard time finding skinny, tall tires! Any tips?
    « Reply #21 on: March 19, 2017, 01:34:54 PM »
    For 9/16" studs, would you need to drill the hubs out a bit?


    Not on the D60 front.... same 0.650" knurl. No idea on the rear.

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    The rear axle has lots of room because of the flatbed, I don't have to worry about the wheel well. ....
    Do the 3rd gen wheels fit without spacers in the front?


    IIRC, the one time I tried a 3rdgen steel on the front, I used a 1/4" spacer to make it seat without hitting anything.  They fit the rear without a spacer.  But with 6" backspacing they are seriously sucked it under the truck. Also, that trial fit was with 31" tires... not with big mudders.

    Many ways to skin a cat. You might be further ahead with an affordable/steel 17x9" wheel. Depends what you have to pay for stuff, and what other mods you have planned.

    Here's how I got to using the 3rdgen wheels...
    http://ramchargercentral.com/axle-tech-discussion/dana-80-swap-westcoast-style/

    Here's my rig back to 'normal' 16x8 steelies and 35's. (spacers removed)
    http://ramchargercentral.com/technical-discussion/what-tirelift-combo-do-you-use-everyone-respond!/msg3070906/#msg3070906


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    Re: Having a real hard time finding skinny, tall tires! Any tips?
    « Reply #22 on: March 19, 2017, 09:26:19 PM »
    I'm having a hard time remembering what the issue I had with the last truck was, but I think I had a hard time finding longer studs with the 0.650" knurl. I don't think length is an issue now, just thinking out loud. But thanks for that. I think if I was to go 9/16" I'd want to do the rear as well just to keep it simple and have everything match.

    I suppose a 1/4" spacer wouldn't be too bad, I'd just prefer not to use one at all. Having the wheels under the truck doesn't bother me, I'm not a fan of the trucks I see everywhere with the wheels sticking way out. I just don't want rubbing issues. I had this problem on the last truck when turned hard right, not a big deal but a bit annoying and hate having to tell every mechanic or anyone driving my truck to watch out for it. It also nipped off the inside corners of the driver side front wheel. I swapped em around frequently, but they all got chewed up a bit.

    The wheels you have on the truck in the garage, with the camper on look good to me.  You say 3rd gen wheels, are they just stock steelies? I guess I'd need spacers to run them though huh?

    You said: "New tires are Goodyear Duratracs in 315/75R16. The 3860# rating makes me happy  ;D  Old tires are Toyo MTs in 295/70R17."
    What rims are those, they look like procomp rock crawlers? Aren't those rated for 2000 lb?

    You also said you installed 60" springs. I'm doing the 56" chevy's and suppose to be removing the block and getting about 5-6" lift with Jims hangers and shackle flip. How are you only getting 4" lift and still have the blocks?  ???

    I also really like how you made this all work so well with what you have around! I've been doing a lot of reading on making my own shackle flip. I haven't got a reply from Jim and wonder if I'll need to just figure something out myself.

    Sorry for all the questions!
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    Re: Having a real hard time finding skinny, tall tires! Any tips?
    « Reply #23 on: March 19, 2017, 10:20:55 PM »
    I just don't want rubbing issues. I had this problem on the last truck when turned hard right, not a big deal but a bit annoying and hate having to tell every mechanic or anyone driving my truck to watch out for it. It also nipped off the inside corners of the driver side front wheel. I swapped em around frequently, but they all got chewed up a bit.

    You're going to need a 1.5-2" spacer with the 3rdgens or 35's are going to rub badly turning right.

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    The wheels you have on the truck in the garage, with the camper on look good to me.  You say 3rd gen wheels, are they just stock steelies? I guess I'd need spacers to run them though huh?

    Correct. 17x7.5" 3rdgen steelies. That's a 2" spacer on there and they didn't rub anywhere.

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    You said: "New tires are Goodyear Duratracs in 315/75R16. The 3860# rating makes me happy  ;D  Old tires are Toyo MTs in 295/70R17."
    What rims are those, they look like procomp rock crawlers? Aren't those rated for 2000 lb?

    I got those wheels used. They don't have any markings I could reference. I needed winter tires and those were the wheels I had on hand.

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    You also said you installed 60" springs. I'm doing the 56" chevy's and suppose to be removing the block and getting about 5-6" lift with Jims hangers and shackle flip. How are you only getting 4" lift and still have the blocks?  ???

    Probably because I kept the spring level. Many shackle flips lower the rear end of the leaf much further, but then you have to mess with the perches or add shims to get the pinion angle right again.

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    I also really like how you made this all work so well with what you have around! I've been doing a lot of reading on making my own shackle flip. I haven't got a reply from Jim and wonder if I'll need to just figure something out myself.

    Thanks  8)

    edit: Jungle's kit looks super. I just didn't have any decent 2.5" springs to use with it.
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    Re: Having a real hard time finding skinny, tall tires! Any tips?
    « Reply #24 on: March 20, 2017, 06:07:11 PM »
    Thanks for the detailed reply!

    I guess I'll keep saving for a bit and think about the options I have. My main concern is the spacers, I'd prefer not to use them. Someone on here recommended checking the torque on them once a week. That's a lot of maintenance just for wheels.

    Probably because I kept the spring level. Many shackle flips lower the rear end of the leaf much further, but then you have to mess with the perches or add shims to get the pinion angle right again.


    Interesting, I didn't know this. I thought Jim's kit lowered the spring evenly.
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    Re: Having a real hard time finding skinny, tall tires! Any tips?
    « Reply #25 on: March 20, 2017, 08:54:58 PM »
    I have spacers on my truck right now. Been on there for months. No issues.
    The "experts" are great at telling you what you can't do. Don't let someone else's opinion be your limiting factor.

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    « Reply #26 on: March 21, 2017, 02:08:21 PM »
    I suppose I've heard of plenty of people using them. They just make me nervous, I suppose I like to over do it.

    I've been emailing John at Stazworks and they seem to have some nice wheels. Looks like they might even be a bit cheaper then TWF. Once I figure out all my options I'll have to choose the best option in my budget.

    Maybe a stupid question, but does anyone know what backspace I'd need to have no rubbing issues? Likely on a 17x9 wheel. I was thinking to measure my winters, but there micro sized and I doubt it would be correct. {noclue}
    On my re-centered H1's I believe I had 4.5" BS and they rubbed by about 1".

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    Re: Having a real hard time finding skinny, tall tires! Any tips?
    « Reply #27 on: March 21, 2017, 04:25:02 PM »
    You could always work out the backspace dimensions 'shedifically'. Make up a reasonably stiff sheet of steel 37" Diameter, with enough holes to mount centered on your hubs, and see how close to the frame you can turn. That plane would be at 0.00" backspace, center of the wheel.

    I had a roommate with a big lifted F*rd. He ran the 37" military BFGs, but to quiet them down and improve ice traction he looked into siping the outside tread blocks. After getting a few quotes, he bought his own siping knife and after a few weekends had pretty good results. He also ended up paying more for shipping (from Texas to the northwest US) than he paid for the tires, but options were limited. He already had the 16.5 rims.
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    Re: Having a real hard time finding skinny, tall tires! Any tips?
    « Reply #28 on: March 21, 2017, 04:38:09 PM »
    So if the flat steel was to rub, would I'd need less back space or more? And would I just measure how much it's rubbing by and that's the magical number?
    Also do you think I could make it work with a sheet of plywood to do it cheaper/easier?

    I liked the military tires for on the street, but in the mud is where I had the biggest problem with them. Ice and snow they suck, but I have winters so that shouldn't be a problem. I also didn't like the limited options for 16.5" rims. If I went that route again I'd pretty much have to commit to using the military tires for a long time.
    I guess that's something to think about too. They are fairly affordable, and a guy sells them locally.. they just usually aren't in great shape and a "set" is random tires varying in condition.
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    « Reply #29 on: March 21, 2017, 05:28:37 PM »
    Yeah, plywood would work, even just 1/4 inch. Inside surface is the zero plane.

    Presuming that at the outer circumference and full lock you are not hitting the frame or steering box, you can measure the space available to the frame. Take half your tire width at widest point (figure 7 inches or so for 12.5 tires) and if that is larger than your measured clearance, you'll need the difference as negative offset in your wheels. Offset is measured in millimeters at most online wheel vendors.

    TireRack has pretty good tech pages:
    https://www.tirerack.com/wheels/tech/techpage.jsp?techid=101

    If you don't still have your 16.5" wheels, I wouldn't buy any new. Check Craigslist. They're an obsolete rim diameter. The military tires will be available for a good while, but civilian tire supply will dry up. And for used tires, most shops won't mount tires that are more than 4 years old, some will go 7 year old. I think you're looking at flotation tires, and  37x12.50R17LT are the tallest skinniest you're likely to find.

    I'm wrestling with same issue, but looking to stay under 35". My current thinking is to go with recent take-off-sized tires, as tires in OEM sizes will be supported for awhile. Thinking 275/75R18 or 285/65R20.

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    « Reply #30 on: March 21, 2017, 07:15:58 PM »
    Great! Thanks for the awesome info!
    I'll be checking my backspacing using this method when I get a few hours free :)
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    Re: Having a real hard time finding skinny, tall tires! Any tips?
    « Reply #31 on: March 22, 2017, 12:25:23 AM »
    My main concern is the spacers, I'd prefer not to use them. Someone on here recommended checking the torque on them once a week. That's a lot of maintenance just for wheels.

    Nothing like that here. I use medium loctite on the rotor studs. I have my wheels off for whatever reason at least a couple times per year. Nothing has loosened up. I can say the same for the girlfriend's jeep (spacers also).

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    Interesting, I didn't know this. I thought Jim's kit lowered the spring evenly.

    I don't actually know what Jungle's kit does in that respect. I do know both spring eyes on my leafs sit about 4" lower on the frame than stock. The leafs have settled some since... heavy loads and a gov spring take their toll  ;D
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    « Reply #32 on: March 23, 2017, 04:37:00 PM »
    Good to know. Thank you. I never considered loctite, that's a good idea.

    I'm still doing my rims research, I will consider the spacers and factor that into the total cost. This evening I'll be pulling the trigger on the 37x13.50R17LT, Open Country M/T tires. I got an email about them being in my cart, they are offering 5% off, ends up being $100. Not great but better then a kick in the chiclets.

    Just curious, what's the gov springs got to do with leaf sag? You hammering it everywhere? :)
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    « Reply #33 on: March 23, 2017, 10:55:48 PM »
    just a bit of a heads up but if you can you may want to avoid spacers if you can. it is mainly only an issue you would run into getting a safety but they changed the rules back in july. wheel spacers are prohibited but for some reason adapters are still legal. 

    i am glad i don't have to worry about tire shopping. i picked up 31's for the 89 the other day for $200 so i am done tire shopping for now.
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    « Reply #34 on: March 24, 2017, 05:21:08 AM »
    Interesting. Well I guess if I had to get small ones that didn't require bolting on like 1/4" or something they prob won't even notice them. I'd have to put my winters on for safety I guess.

    I bought tires last night, can pick them up in a 5-7 days or so.
    Nice mon, you got a good deal. Although those would be baby tires on my truck. I think my winters are 31-32 and you know what they look like haha.
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    « Reply #35 on: March 24, 2017, 12:58:32 PM »

    Just curious, what's the gov springs got to do with leaf sag? You hammering it everywhere? :)
    Everything. Not hammering... just load and torque. ;)


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    just a bit of a heads up but if you can you may want to avoid spacers if you can. it is mainly only an issue you would run into getting a safety but they changed the rules back in july. wheel spacers are prohibited but for some reason adapters are still legal. 

    You might want to check further on the spacer definition. It usually refers to ring of certain thickness that is only sandwiched behind the wheel. If a bolt-on adapter is permitted, then a bolt-on spacer should be permitted also.
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    Re: Having a real hard time finding skinny, tall tires! Any tips?
    « Reply #36 on: March 24, 2017, 01:18:16 PM »
    You might want to check further on the spacer definition. It usually refers to ring of certain thickness that is only sandwiched behind the wheel. If a bolt-on adapter is permitted, then a bolt-on spacer should be permitted also.

    section 9.7
    http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/trucks/pdfs/passenger-light-duty-vehicle-inspection-standard.pdf

    i just know i have been hearing lots of people complaining about it but then again most idiots tend to use the spacers to push the tires way outside the body.
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    « Reply #37 on: March 24, 2017, 02:33:31 PM »
    Everything. Not hammering... just load and torque. ;)


    Ah I seee :) I've been wanting to install my gov spring, just makes me nervous going that far into the IP

    section 9.7
    http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/trucks/pdfs/passenger-light-duty-vehicle-inspection-standard.pdf

    i just know i have been hearing lots of people complaining about it but then again most idiots tend to use the spacers to push the tires way outside the body.

    I get what u2slow is saying, the sandwiched type spacer seems like a better idea then the bolt on kind. That's want I was originally thinking when spacers where brought up. I don't like the idea of those ones, more bolts to potentially loosen. The law is silly sometimes. But I'd hate to get in an accident and then my insurance doesn't cover me because of something like a spacer.

    I don't seem, to have any extra plywood ATM that's big enough, I'll get some tonight/tomorrow and figure out my backspace and take it from there.
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    « Reply #38 on: March 25, 2017, 01:04:51 PM »
    Yeah, plywood would work, even just 1/4 inch. Inside surface is the zero plane.

    Presuming that at the outer circumference and full lock you are not hitting the frame or steering box, you can measure the space available to the frame. Take half your tire width at widest point (figure 7 inches or so for 12.5 tires) and if that is larger than your measured clearance, you'll need the difference as negative offset in your wheels. Offset is measured in millimeters at most online wheel vendors.


    Ok I made my wood wheel and I THINK I need a -1.5" offset?
    Can someone help me confirm this? Here's the specs:

    From front side of wheel (closest to bumper) to the drag link joint (also front) im getting 5-1/2" of space.
    From the wheel's flat face to the leaf I'm getting 8"
    At back of wheel (cab side) 4-1/4" to leaf when turned left (back of wheel now in)
    If it matters, from flat wheel surface to rotor edge 2-1/2" on outer edge and 4-1/8" inside
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    « Reply #39 on: March 25, 2017, 01:58:32 PM »
    #1 - Space between wheel and front of drag link, about 5-1/2"
    #2 - Front of leaf to wheel 8-1/4"
    #3 - Rear of leaf wheel turned left and tire in by cab, about 5" to leaf

    The wood wheel ended up being about 37-1/2" so it may be a bit big, but better to have a bit more room then not enough I suppose.
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    Re: Having a real hard time finding skinny, tall tires! Any tips?
    « Reply #40 on: March 25, 2017, 02:46:47 PM »
    Ah I seee :) I've been wanting to install my gov spring, just makes me nervous going that far into the IP

    Lots of write-ups on the topic. Marking the indexing of the throttle linkage is probably the most noteworthy step.

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    I get what u2slow is saying, the sandwiched type spacer seems like a better idea then the bolt on kind. That's want I was originally thinking when spacers where brought up. I don't like the idea of those ones, more bolts to potentially loosen. The law is silly sometimes. But I'd hate to get in an accident and then my insurance doesn't cover me because of something like a spacer.

    You got it backwards. The bolt-on type is the safer one. The clamped ring has greater potential for working loose. Think about the bolt-on dually extensions used many newer trucks... that's a factory spacer.
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    « Reply #41 on: March 25, 2017, 02:57:36 PM »
    Lots of write-ups on the topic. Marking the indexing of the throttle linkage is probably the most noteworthy step.

    You got it backwards. The bolt-on type is the safer one. The clamped ring has greater potential for working loose. Think about the bolt-on dually extensions used many newer trucks... that's a factory spacer.
    Ya I've read a lot and watched youtube videos, I'm pretty sure I understand what to do, it's more the losing the "top hat" and somehow when it goes back together it doesn't work. I've heard the IP can be quite costly to replace or repair.

    That does make sense I suppose. I'm still thinking I'll try and get wheels that won't need a spacer, but IF I do need them, I feel a bit better now knowing others have had no issues.
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    « Reply #42 on: March 25, 2017, 06:36:06 PM »
    I like the pictures of the plywood wheel! You could paint it black to get an idea of overall 'look'.

    "Ok I made my wood wheel and I THINK I need a -1.5" offset?
    Can someone help me confirm this? Here's the specs:

    From front side of wheel (closest to bumper) to the drag link joint (also front) im getting 5-1/2" of space.
    From the wheel's flat face to the leaf I'm getting 8"
    At back of wheel (cab side) 4-1/4" to leaf when turned left (back of wheel now in)
    If it matters, from flat wheel surface to rotor edge 2-1/2" on outer edge and 4-1/8" inside"

    Ok, from this, I gather that the smallest clearance will be the rear of the tire to leaf spring, 4.25 inch. That's what matters. The rotor is inside the wheel rim, so that's not an issue unless you're going to smaller rims as for a lowrider.

    Ask you tire vendor what wheel width those tires are meant to be mounted on, and what the maximum width of the mounted tire will be. They should be able to look that up, since the tire manufacturers publish that data.

    Let's guess that maximum tire width is 15 inches. Half that is 7.5 inch. You have 4.25 of clearance already, so you'll need an offset of 3.25 inch, and it's further away from the chassis (deeper dish), so it's negative. Give it an extra 1/4 inch for jounce and tire bending and spec your new wheels at -3.5 inch, or 82mm.

    Hope this goes well.

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    « Reply #43 on: Yesterday at 03:07:42 PM »
    Jim, thanks for the tips.
    I guess I was a bit off and over looked the fact that the rear is what counts since that's the first spot that will rub. I'll be able to pick up the tires in the next week or so, I'll be asking them about about what rim sizes is recommended.
    I've also been emailing Trail worthy fab and Stazworks about what they think and what they can offer me.

    Thanks again, I'll update once I find out more :)
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